Iznogoud
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If you are going to insist on using the liars at FOX as a source then we can have no agreement. I'm finished with this discussion until you can come up with a source that does not act as Trump's mouthpiece.
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9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:
The cost of the wall is actually an up front cost that doesn’t affect future budgets nearly as much as the lack of the wall. Is wall maintenance going to cost more than extra border guards iznogood?
A lot of that money for the wall even comes back in the form of taxes. Money spent building helicopters and drones and training mechanics and pilots and k-9 units etc doesn’t come back. It’s a long-term commitment to a big budget.
I don't know. What do you think maintenance on a wall 3000 km long, nine meters high, and sunk six meters into the ground wold cost? I do know that if you built a road that long maintenance would begin on one end of it before it was even finished and no one would be trying to knock it down or tunnel under it.
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5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
This forum is not all about you.
You have over 50,000 posts and don't know how to stay on topic? It appears that I need not look to you for advice.
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On 12/22/2018 at 2:17 PM, Argus said:
You're forgetting that while they had the power to do so, the indians used to burn those wagons...
That's a bit of a myth. Far more native Americans were burned than White settlers.
9 Things You May Not Know About the Oregon Trail
https://www.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-oregon-trail
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17 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
Sorry...you lose. Mods here determined that contrasts and comparisons were on topic, especially since it is done so often in other "Canadian" threads vis-a-vis U.S. public/private individuals and policies.
Go ahead and think that if you wish. I'm not discussing Trudeau in a thread about Trump.
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9 hours ago, turningrite said:
Polling results have become confusing. While some put the Lib party marginally ahead, a recent poll suggests that Trudeau's personal popularity has declined significantly and now sits at a 35 percent favorable rating (lower than Trump's in the U.S.) compared to a 63 percent unfavorable rating. And let's not forget that several weeks prior to the 2015 election the NDP appeared poised to capture government while Trudeau's Libs looked to be headed back to their seats on the opposition side. In competition with a wooden, over-managed and uncomfortably smiling Mulcair, who hitherto had been one of the most effective opposition leaders since Diefenbaker, Trudeau's burnished, sunny image pushed his party into the lead. But now he's the guy with the baggage. How many voters can be fooled in 2019? It will in my opinion be a much more difficult task for the self-styled emperor with the famous name who has truly demonstrated that he has no clothes (although he does have costumes, as we've realized to our collective embarrassment) to run on image alone this time around. At least most should now understand that budgets don't balance themselves and "sunny ways" can't solve all problems.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/12/19/trudeau-approval-rating-poll_a_23622710/
I quite agree that voters were taken in by Trudeau's boyish good looks and charm; especially compared to Harper and Mulcair. And I expect that he is in for a tough fight for re-election. However, a number of factors still weigh in his favour. One is the weakness of the opposition leaders he faces - Scheer and Singh do not seem up to the task.
BTW - "the budget will balance itself" is fairly accurate as long as the GDP grows faster than the debt which is did up until the last budget. Of course, the government cannot continue to increase the debt or that goes straight out the window.
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8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:
How do you think our numbers are the same? You factored in one expense. That’s like someone starting a restaurant and forgetting about the cost of napkins, glassware, electricity, cleaning supplies, waste, decorating, advertising, pilferage, etc. You can’t do up a budget and only account for the cost of food and wages.
Our numbers are not the same. Mine give hiring more workers a fudge factor of several billion. Yours ignore both the actual cost of the wall and the disruptions it will cause on the US side as well as its maintenance costs.
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2 hours ago, taxme said:
FOX News works well for me. The rest lie like thieves when they get caught in their lies and many do. They constantly like to spread horse manure about Trump. All they do is end up looking stupid which is quite normal looking for them to look anyway. The problem with Mueller is that he cannot get Trump on anything and so he goes after the people who surrounded Trump and finds guilt somewhere on them. If the mule were to go after democrats for a change there would be many of them found guilty of a crime and would probably end up going to jail. But that is not what the mule is there for. The swampsters put Mueller in there to try and get Trump period. It was Trump who called people like Mueller and Hillary and Comey as swampsters and not me. I am just repeating what he said. Washington is full of swampster liars and crooks and Trump haters. They all want Trump out because Trump is doing something good for America and Americans and the lefties do not like that because it makes them look bad and rightly so. what the hell did Obama and Hillary ever do that was good for America and Americans. I can find plenty of bad things that they have done. Hillary should be in prison by now.
Russia-Russia-Russia. Russia is not the most dangerous enemy to America and no threat to America at all. China is a danger and a threat though. It is the swampsters in America also like Hillary and Obama that wanted to try and get a cold war going with Putin and Russia. You listen to the leftist liberal lying media a little too much. Try listening to FOX News once in awhile. They do not lie like the media that you enjoy watching enjoy doing all the time. Trump is not trying to alienate any country. What Trump has done is now woke up the people of those many allied nations to the corruption that goes on in many of those US ally countries and has exposed their crimes against their people and they hate Trump now for doing so.
China has been not playing fair ball with America on trade at all and Trump has decided that they are not going to allow China to rip off America anymore. Trump only wants ts to play fair ball with China when it comes to trade. I see no problem here at all with Trump and how he is dealing with China on trade. Only Trump haters do.
Where or how has Trump harmed any Americans? Please point this out to me? Like what? What Trump has done is woke up the American people to do swampster corruption that has been going on in Washington for decades now. The swampsters are on the run and fighting for their useless and crooked lives. The NRA is a great organization and the only people who despise the NRA are people who hate guns. What has the NRA done to you or any American that has made you feel that the NRA has been harmful to America and Americans? Please explain.
You need to concern yourself more about what your dear leader prime mistake of Canada has been doing since he became king of Canada and on how he has gone about blowing our Canadian tax dollars by the billions on so many useless and stupid liberal/socialist/communist programs and agendas that have done not a thing that is great for Canada and Canadians, unless you can show me something, rather than keep yourself all up tight over Trump and is tax plan for America. Have you bothered to check lately how much tax dollars has been wasted and how Trudeau keeps putting the taxpayer's in this country deeper in debt? Get off Trump's back and starting climbing all over Trudeau's back for a change. Your hatred and obsession with Trump is deplorable.
Trump cannot get anything done when everybody around him tries their hardest to try and make sure that he does not succeed. His enemies are everywhere because Trump wants to drain the swamp. Even people in his own party is full of enemy swampsters like Paul Ryan. If Trump had majority house and senate that you would see that Trump would get a lot done as he promised to the people who voted for him. It is for sure that nothing will get done now because the swampsters have taken over the house reins again. When your party is pretty much now in the minority like is done here with a minority government that governing party cannot get much done either. That is how politics works.
When you can show me something more substantial then what you have shown me here that Trump has been all that bad for America well maybe then I will listen too you and what you have to say. But until then, you have not offered me anything here to change my mind about Trump. All I get from you is the hatred that you have for Trump and nothing more. It is time for you to start to attack Trudeau more often rather than Trump for a change. Trudeau is your dictator leader. Trump is not your president.
Here's some advice. Do not repeat anything that Trump says as evidence of anything. Almost 7000 lies so far and counting.
How has Trump hurt Americans? Count the ways.
Russia is not a threat? FOX News thinks it is. http://tass.com/world/1022243
The fact that China is also a threat does not detract from Russian meddling in US domestic and international affairs.
I guess you missed the two years when Trump's party controlled both the House and the Senate. What did he get done? Remarkably little
Your Canada comment is not relevant. This is a thread about Trump.
BTW Trump is not worth my hate - in fact I hate very few politicians. I do feel sorry for the voters Trump has betrayed with his false promises and general incompetence.
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1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
This is the same kind of lame rationale that earns Canada its "NATO deadbeat" reputation. Iraq is not Syria.
I could care less. You are still off-topic. Start a "I hate Canada's foreign policy" thread if you like and we'll talk about it there.
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It is still off-topic. However, Canada consulted with its allies before leaving and gave due warning. This is not what Trump did. Also I hardly think 6 aircraft would make much of a difference considering the number of aircraft supplied by other NATO nations. BTW Canada still has troops in Iraq. As usual Canada always seems to get involved in conflicts that do not involve it directly.
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It has been like that for decades. If a Canadian has European ancestry then he is considered a European in some nations. In addition, each European team is allowed to recruit a certain number of foreign players.
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1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
How many troops does Canada have in Syria (see "Operation Impact"). How many strike aircraft remain in theatre ?
So the answer, at least for Canada/Trudeau is a resounding yes for Syria.
The thread is about Trump. Feel free to start one about Canada's foreign policy if you wish.
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23 hours ago, WestCanMan said:
Re: Isis, Russia and Syria can handle that now. Problem solved, money saved.
The border will still need agents, but only a fraction of what they would need otherwise. And your math is way off. I said $50k plus benefits. Add 20% to 40% to those totals you did earlier. Then add the cost for more helicopters and drones and the training and salaries of staff to fly them and maintain them, the cost of fuel. Plus k9 units and lawyers and and bills for a lot more detainees including, but not limited to, medical treatments, clothes, food, shelter etc. All that plus an increased number of illegals, which has additional costs including the infrastructure for tens of thousands of extra people, so the need for more ICE agents working inside the country. Times 50 years.
You’re only looking at one single aspect of the border expenses, and ignoring the fact that the wall is just more effective.
General Mattis is concerned with one aspect of the government. He wanted his way in Syria. Trump is concerned with every aspect of the government, including the budget.
Russia and Syria? So conceding the Middle east to the Russia and Iran is your solution? That will certainly go down well with the GOP. This is just going to be another nail in the Trump coffin.
I don't see anything in your numbers that contradict mine. The wall is an expensive boondoggle. Fortunately it will never be built. BTW, the number of illegals attempting to cross the border has declined considerably in the last decade so there is actually less need of a wall or even border agents than before. Most of the concern over border crossing has been generated due to the hot air coming from Trump, and not any increase in actual border crossings.
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12 hours ago, JamesHackerMP said:
Why are people opposed to Trudeau? Just curious.
I suspect that all people are not. The latest poll has the Liberals still leading all other parties. If the numbers do not change Trudeau will get a slim majority or at worst a minority government. Of course, thing could change over the next few months, but right now it appears that none of the other parties or their leaders has caught the imagination of the Canadian public.
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Looks like I should have added my
10 hours ago, Boges said:The type of person that can say this:
Then a week later Tweet this:
Has to be a special level of stupid and dishonest or assume the people that love him don't consume any media other than Fox and his Tweets. . . and be morons.
I have seen Trump supporters likened to sports fans and that seems an apt description in that they support him no matter how badly he plays the game and then claim victory with even a minor win. Supporting any sports team defies logic as does supporting Trump.
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On 2/24/2018 at 1:47 PM, -TSS- said:
I have been googling about history of the NHL and I was surprised how relatively undeveloped the league was until the 70's. The same six teams played against each other for 70 rounds. That means that all teams met each other for 14 times and on top of that the play-off games. Only in the 70's the league started to expand.
Furthermore, as these days all North-American ball game-leagues have artificial east vs west-finals, that was not the case in the NHL until the 80's. There were finals between NY Islanders and Philadelphia or Philadelphia and Buffalo.
Only later on this silly artificial obsession that the final must be east vs west thing has caught the NHL too.
Not quite. In major league baseball there could be two teams from New York playing one another. The divisional struct exists only for regular season play.
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4 hours ago, Argus said:
I've seen no information to that affect. AFAIK he dropped out because of his lack of French would make it difficult to get tory votes in Quebec. I think a strong personality like O'Leary would be very attractive next to a weak, sensitive twerp like Trudeau when Canada is being bullied by other countries.
Somehow I doubt O'Leary is the sort of personality Canada needs. An arrogant bullying style certainly has not worked for Trump in foreign relations.
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3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
The U.S. still has more influence and "brand" than Canada...Canada is alone with Trudeau and sinking fast.
Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do....and that means lots of "chaos" to disrupt the status quo.
Trump is leading on China...Trudeau is not and cannot...too weak.
It appears that you are placing the blame on the PM for a situation he did not create. However, that said, it is Canada against China and as I said a united front is best. Unfortunately, Canada has to rely on Trump and he is not known for helping anyone but himself.
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Dealing with China requires a united front. Unfortunately, Trump's go it alone policy regarding China and his attacks on friendly nations have made that very difficult. Ideally China should be confronted by the EU, the United States, and Canada working together, but with Trump's bull-in-a-china-shop diplomacy that is probably not possible until he is replaced. That means waiting until 2021 at the earliest.
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23 hours ago, Argus said:
O'Leary could do it all right. I think, if things continue as they are, Canadians will be longing for a strong, determined, serious person - because Trudeau is none of those things. I wonder how Stephen Harper would poll if people were given the choice today. I bet people would feel more confident in a time when we're being attacked by China and Saudi Arabia and the US, to have someone like Harper in charge instead of the insipid boy wonder.
O'Leary would be a disaster. He dropped out of the last race for Conservative leadership when polls showed him trailing badly and also when the polls revealed that most people quite disliked his Ted Cruz personality.
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7 hours ago, eyeball said:
The government also wants to encourage more consumption of oil.
The contradiction doesn't get any more stark.
Quite so. The government of Canada is between a rock and a hard place. It wishes to have Canada do its part in reducing global greenhouse gas emissions, but is under pressure from the oil producing provinces to get their oil to market. The simplest way to get people to use less energy is to raise prices through some sort of tax - remember that the jump in oil prices in the 1970s had a marked effect on fuel efficiency in automobiles and building construction.
There are other ways to do this, one being that the government could actually give people tax breaks for buying hybrid or electric cars. Of course that would result in an immediate uproar from those who oppose subsidizing green energy and from the oil industry which does not want to see a drop in fuel consumption.
Either way the government is going to face severe criticism; either from environmentalists or those who support the oil industry.
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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:
So you’re replying with a cutesy insult because you can’t face facts.
FYI I acknowledge Trump’s main faults: hubris, name-calling, cheating on his wives... He’s hard to like. But fwiw CNN is even worse for name-calling. Watch one of their shows: it’s a 30 minute long insult, full of accusations, anonymous sources, lies and self-corroboration.
Thanks for downgrading your stance to “possibly criminal” because I’m sick of hearing how the sky is falling just because Trump got a couple NDAs signed.
I get why you’re calling Trump’s decision to pull troops out of Syria “addlebrained” - CNN said it. That comment will get parroted far and wide by the folks who learn by rote. Just FYI, they’re the same people who hailed Obama as a hero for pulling out of Iraq when there was NO GOVERNMENT TO SPEAK OF there to pick up the pieces. They didn’t ever hold Obama to task for that, or for incorrectly assessing Islamic State as a JV terrorist org (armed with all the weapons that Barack left behind). Yeah Trump is addlebrained and Obama was a genius dude, keep tuning into CNN to get your opinions. This is some entertaining stuff. FYI Russia is there killing Islamic State and Syria still has a government, even if it’s below average, even for the Middle East.
Trump is saving money by leaving Syria, and the US needs that money. You think it’s ridiculous to shut down the government to build the wall, just because you’re following the Dem party line that the wall is evil, racist, a waste of money, etc. FYI a wall saves money on border patrol agents who all make $50k/year plus benefits. They need less helicopters, less drones, etc. All expensive stuff to build, maintain (train mechanics, pay them), fly and store. They don’t need to process as many illegals, feed them, clothe them, shelter them etc. And all that is over the 50-100 years that a wall will last. Maybe more. They won’t need the army to come out on occasion, they won’t get the bad pr that goes along with it. How bad is the wall?
See iznogood, all the things that you call “political knowledge” are just “CNN talking points”. Watching that network is like drinking stupidity from a firehose. I don’t blame you for falling victim to one of the world’s elite propaganda outlets, nor for throwing out sandbox insults, CNN style.
I'm not concerned with CNN. You seem to be fixated on that network, probably because it actually dares to report what Trump actually does. And you are completely wrong about the effect of Trump's actions regarding the last week and the wall.
The last few days have been a complete disaster for Trump. First of all he forced an unnecessary shutdown of the US government, depriving tens of thousands of government employees of their paychecks. Then his defence secretary resigned because Trump would not accept the advice of a military expert. And then he did exactly what you just criticized Obama for - he pulled troops out of a critical region before the enemy was completely defeated. What this means is that another president will probably have to send the troops back in wasting vastly more money than the so-called savings you mentioned.
As for the wall it is useless without the very people you claimed it would replace. The wall, if constructed to Trump's original specifications was estimated to cost about $25 billion. If it was built (which it probably never will be), it would have to be maintained, probably at a cost of several hundred million a year given that it would have to be about 3000 km. long. Then it would have to be patrolled. After all, Mexicans have shown that they are quite adept at building tunnels and I suspect they could even build ladders. In addition, the wall would cut through areas of farmland near the border, actually placing some areas of the US on the Mexican side of the wall. Also it cannot be built through the parks that border the Rio Grande allowing them to be used as continued access points. And finally most illegal immigrants to the US do not come illegally across the border. A lot of them fly into the US and enter through airports while still more are brought in as temporary labourers who then decide to stay.
Just for fun let's compare the cost of the with simply hiring more border guards. We'll use your figure of $50,000 a year for these guards. If 1000 more of them were hired it would cost $50 million a year. If 10,000 more of them were hired it would cost 500 million a year. Looks like they would be a bargain compared to the cost of the wall.
BTW my news sources include the following - CBC News, CTV News, Global News, BBC News, and various online news sites. Note I do not use CNN as a news source or any other US network news sites.
I await your reply - I am especially interested in your analysis of Trump's knowledge compare to that of General Mattis and your math on the wall.
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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:
First, the post you’re referring to was about demented Canadians watching left wing “news”, not Canadian politics.
Second, CNN’s lies are what are being discussed, not Russian trolling.
No doubt Mueller’s findings will appear devastating to people who believe that Trump getting an NDA signed was worse than Clinton lying under oath and witness tampering. The same people who think that Kaepernick has a right to promote his own political views at his place of work. The same people who believe that Trump committed treason by joking that the Russians should look for the 33,000 missing emails. The same people who think Comey, the leaker who lied under oath and “couldn’t remember 245 times in one day, is a man of integrity. The same people who thought that families had never been separated at the border before Trump became President. The same people who believe a CNN “anonymous source” over 5 or more people in a room who are willing to go on the record. The same people who believe that Avanatti’s client went to ten Kavanaugh rape parties. The same people who don’t know anything about top FBI officials getting fired and demoted despite watching “the news” every day for the past two years.
Do you get why I don’t give a crap what CNN and their idiotic viewers think?
Mueller hired the sleaziest, most partisan hacks he could find to take down Trump any way he could. They pushed the bogus Steele dossier through the FISA court when they new it was crap and like I said before, if they can’t make a compelling Russian collusion case those guys are going to be screwed for lying to the FISA court.
I'm sorry, but you are confusing political knowledge with fandom. As a fan you tend to overlook or deliberately ignore Trump's continual failures and possible criminal actions. I suppose you firmly support his addlelbrained decision today to pull troops out of Syria, abandoning US allies in the process, or his foolish decision to deliberately shut down the US government. As the title of the thread states the Trump administration is slowly and painfully dying. Each day brings it one step closer to to complete irrelevance. His supporters are not going to get their wall - an idea that never made any sense in the first place and the promised jobs in the coal industry are simply not going to materialize. And now you have the last adult in the room resigning, leaving Trump's government pretty much filled with the swamp-life he selected for his cabinet and little else.
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I celebrate Christmas as a festive event. I have absolutely no religious connections, but to me it is a fun time when friends and relatives get together. I always prepare the turkey - I've being doing that for almost fifty years while the wife contributes multiple side dishes and tons of tarts and cookies. So far as I can see the many cultural groups in Canada may not all celebrate the religious aspect of Christmas, but they seem to have no problem with the festive aspect of the occasion.
The Slow Painful Death of the Trump Administration
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How about just most of the time? https://www.thenation.com/article/why-do-the-media-keep-parroting-trumps-falsehoods/
And then there are the people who watch FOX. https://defendingthetruth.com/threads/watching-only-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all.95171/