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Fair enough. Why did God create a "fake" fossil record that when looked at objectively would inevitably lead to the conclusion that we were created by evolution rather than creation? And a "fake" geology that would lead us to believe the world was billions of years old rather than thousands. And a "fake" cosmology that would lead us to believe the universe is billions of years older than the earth, and that the earth are an infinitessimally tiny random mote floating within it, rather than the center of creation?

Um, no. Quite clearly anatomically between apes and humans. Self evident even to a layman. See for example homo erectus: We already discussed this. Unless it was a "magical flood", you cannot explain how fossils are separated into distinct layers rather than all jumbled together.

Based on your link, your "proof" to reject humans 6000 + years ago is a house of cards based of a single document of dubious origin and merit. And also that basing science off of religion leads nowhere good.

I offer as proof that there were modern humans living on the planet for tens of thousands of years before 4000ish BC the entire field of archeology (but especially prehistoric archeology), consisting of thousands of highly trained and educated members, operating over a couple of hundred years, producing over that time tens (hundreds? more?) of thousands of academic papers through which the current consensus has been achieved. You?

So about 9,000 years ago. 3,000 years before the creation of the universe.

"History" refers to events after the discovery of writing. "Prehistory" refers to events before writing. Chinese history goes back a little over 4000 years. The record of chinese "civilization" (agriculture, villages, etc.) goes back many thousands of years before that.

Actually they'd all be decendants if Noah's family. What year did the flood happen?

Fair enough ... best case scenario is first cousins "only".

So I'll ask again, since the flood option is off the table (unless it was a magic flood) do you think modern human bones and other remnants (tools, paintings, etc.) older than 6000 years were hidden there by God?

Who are the son's children sleeping with? Either each other or their aunts/uncles (Or their parents or grandparents)

Incest is unavoidable in either case.

You have been misinformed. While the fossil record is obviously not complete when you are relying on an event (fossilization) which occurs only under extremely rare conditions, but (like most critisisms of science) the "confusion" is grossly overstated and limited to details, and not the overall picture. And one thing that is not confused is that fossils are layered and not mixed. They could not have been layed down in a flood.

And it happened twice: Adam and Noah.

Fossils could not have been deposited by a flood unless it was a "magic flood". Each kind of fossil only appears in its own geological layer, and never in another. There is no mixing as would have occurred in a flood.

I know thats the idea for Dino bones, but I'm curious if it is the same idea for people. While you could may be argue the case for Dinos, it raises some interesting questions if you try to apply the same logic to people

I skimmed the site ... it did not appear to address this

blackbird, I'm curious how do you square the fact that we have fossil evidence for modern humans and human societies which date back tens of thousands of years, when Adam and Eve was only about 6,000 years ago?

If your serious about finding the answers, I would suggest reading a book on or containing science.

You make a good argument ... for atheism. "God's plan" is unknowable, capricious, and as likely to take the guilty as the innocent. So, exactly the same situation as if there were no plan and no God. Therefore by Occam's razor... God willed the children dead, and it was Good because he is Good. Inarguable, but empty of meaning, and so not very convincing.

The babies and the unborn children and the animals had only evil in their hearts too?

No. Your "explanation" is the second covenant with Jesus negates all the nasty business that came before. My rebut is that this implies that morality has changed between the old and new testament. This is an inconsistency: what used to be moral is no longer. This is also moral relativism; morality which depends on context (The context being which covenant). I also pointed out the old testament is inconsistent with itself, ex. thou shalt not kill, except for condemning the vast majority of the human population to a death sentence.

"You just don't understand" and "it doesn't mean what it says" is pretty weak sauce, but typical. There was quite obviously no sanctity of life in the old testament Further example: the flood. In sure all of the men, women, children, unborn children, pets, livestock, wild animals, etc. equally deserved to be drowned.

Yet what happened then contines to be used to justify current christian beliefs. the sanctity of life was obviously not believed in in the old testament, as the old testament condemns to death the vast majority of the human population, along with describing God and his chosen people wiping out various other peoples, man woman and child

You never said it, but implied it. The rules changed between the old and new testament. What was moral in the old testament is no longer moral in the new. I'm not sure how that works in a framework of absolute morality. Regardless, it's inconsistent messaging at the least.

The quote was in context, you just don't agree with its implications. Regardless, I could point to a number of Christian sites that reject the whole "fulfill" argument specifically so they can keep the 10 commandments. Either way it is not very clear what rules stand. Probably best to ignore the old testament rules entirely, and yet they are constantly being brought up as justifications by christians and thier priests to this day (see abortion, same sex marriage, etc). All a great deal of confusion for a "perfect document. Also, you have yet to address the inconsistency in the old testament itself: thou shalt not kill, except for these groups making up over 90% of humanity