Sitting mute among madmen ...

[Figleaf]

I'm concerned that the answer is yes. Modern media culture seems to have difficulty articulating meaning in a testably apprehensible way. No thought, proposition, or argument is ever followed through conclusively.

[DarkAngel_]

i asked my self something simular, i notice people lose intrest and so the media loses ratings, hence they drop it soon just to go to the next-best-thing, if that is what you mean.

if not, i'd think you mean the culture of our current mainstream products that we use every day, that in fact, our new music, new movies, and new... well media, is turning to goo, or is not completing its artistic imagry to fit the human condition, also lack of intrest is to blame.

so which do you mean?

[Figleaf]

i asked my self something simular, i notice people lose intrest and so the media loses ratings, hence they drop it soon just to go to the next-best-thing, if that is what you mean.

if not, i'd think you mean the culture of our current mainstream products that we use every day, that in fact, our new music, new movies, and new... well media, is turning to goo, or is not completing its artistic imagry to fit the human condition, also lack of intrest is to blame.

so which do you mean?

You said it! I mean ALL that. And the way political reporting is almost universally afflicted by an inability or refusal to form any sensible basis for discourse. Soundbite media encourages people to lob slogans back and forth at eachother.

[DarkAngel_]

You said it! I mean ALL that. And the way political reporting is almost universally afflicted by an inability or refusal to form any sensible basis for discourse. Soundbite media encourages people to lob slogans back and forth at eachother.

ya that kinda confused me...(thats the first)

as well as news becoming more politicaly involved in agenda and public opinion, the more the ratings go up on one topic, the more they show it untell it drops and is then removed from mainstream.

the bashing caused is just a good way to get veiwers, and the unreasonability of the mainstream is often fueled by a need for entertainment, when news is not made for entertainment! just give me the news!!!

as for the arts lossing there touch with humanity, look at what today is bringing in terms of situational opposition? evry song wrighten is often too brutal or too dramatic to be just human expression; now it is rampagous and decadent! filled with spite, selfpitty, and indulgence. often because of personal agenda and the 'celebraty drama' that big corps. get good sales on, as well from movies: horror is nothing but gore and kids saying: "thats awesome!" or comedys that are not funny at all... ever seen 'the weather man?'

and the worst of all in my opinion, creative brutality, used often in movies to depict helpless situations, or abrasive drama, more and more being shown as exaggerated sadness, anger, or violence toward a small event.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear Figleaf,

testably apprehensible

Congratulations, you invented two new words today. If you could now give some sort of meaning to them, or to the statement, it might make things easier.

No thought, proposition, or argument is ever followed through conclusively. ...Soundbite media encourages people to lob slogans back and forth at eachother[/quote} This is the 'neo-liberalist movement'....to follow something 'to it's logical end' means that would either have to move out of the 'liberal' (middle ground) spectrum to one extreme or another, or be detached from the whole schmeer...

[Figleaf]

Dear Figleaf,

testably apprehensible

Congratulations, you invented two new words today. If you could now give some sort of meaning to them, or to the statement, it might make things easier.

No thought, proposition, or argument is ever followed through conclusively. ...Soundbite media encourages people to lob slogans back and forth at eachother[/quote} This is the 'neo-liberalist movement'....to follow something 'to it's logical end' means that would either have to move out of the 'liberal' (middle ground) spectrum to one extreme or another, or be detached from the whole schmeer...

Sorry, I don't get you.

[Electric Monk]

Yes, I think the modern media is far too closely integrated with corporate interests, when it should be serving the public. I don't think that we should try to eradicate this relationship completely, but we need a fully publicly funded, non-affiliated public broadcaster to provide thoughtful educational, and intellectual programming.

[geoffrey]

The newsman shows us what we want to see, what could be more liberal than that?