Political moral decay

[DarkAngel_]

I posted a topic a few months ago asking if the worlds morality was slipping, I got allot of diff. responses

Most questions about what 'moral' meant, well, I’m guessing it means right and wrong based on humanitarian action, I was told by a someone that their stereo was stolen and the police system did nothing to stop the theft or find the thief, I was also told that a preachers family was attempting to do fraud, all good examples, but what I meant was; would a common person who was faced with an open opportunity to take some ones money

A: steal it

B: try to rip them off some how

C: ask

D: does nothing

The same could go for corporations that are increasing pricing to a high extend, their extra cash increase federal tax, including for employee's, companies are creating rifts in federal info allowing illegal activity to develop, including fraud. Health care is becoming more expensive and charters established to help with that, are making outrageous requirements. Illegal immigrants are being allowed to purchase housing in America, and take up a large amount of funds needed for American healthcare.

Also it could go for government, for a full suit on an American solder, the cost could range all the way up to $14,000 mattering on field and profession, America is in debt again, and is taking tax from it's citizen while senators (etc.) are increasing there pay by trying to pass a pay increase. (Greedy b@$t#%ds) also military has demanded (at the start of the war in Iraq) for increased funds which is a given since the cost of an all out military strike is colossal, and a president promising a tax cut, has only increased taxes to fund the war and pay off debts.

Also other non managing server site's on the internet and other technology devices are requiring a credit card for monthly services (and only a credit card) many free information sites are jumping over the law to gain cash, and oil companies are refusing to shut down even after the weather crisis that is arising and the lack of sites to drill out fossil fuel, protesters are being arrested for arsenal even when the protest did not breakout into violence (at all) and this resulting from the home defense agencies increased lookout for possible terrorist activity,

These actions could tell anyone 'hey, thats just not right', the war in Iraq was not needed, and the only reason we haven't pulled out is because we have no one to take care of Iraq for us,

I’m not saying we should pull out, but intel was bad and many innocents were lost based on its info, terror was the target, I think we should have stuck to it, the problems in the middle east could have been salved in a much more effective less risky manner, but patience was not an option, so, we moved out with a punch and hurt others in the process, that is morally wrong to those who died based on that intel, we should have waited for confirmed, photographically evidence before a quick, lack-of-info strike, it's like giving a retard a gun and telling him his teachers an alien (='s dead teacher) a more effective military system is in order, and we need to stop having prepish presidents and leaders, make a hard working citizen with a good head and smarts but with an ego not afraid to get down in the ditches and work like everyone else president , someone with the goal to protect America and its 'people', not just the American government.

So... Do you agree?

[arif]

I posted a topic a few months ago asking if the worlds morality was slipping, I got allot of diff. responses

Most questions about what 'moral' meant, well, I’m guessing it means right and wrong based on humanitarian action, I was told by a someone that their stereo was stolen and the police system did nothing to stop the theft or find the thief, I was also told that a preachers family was attempting to do fraud, all good examples, but what I meant was; would a common person who was faced with an open opportunity to take some ones money

A: steal it

B: try to rip them off some how

C: ask

D: does nothing

Me, I would tell the person that there is an open opportunity for someone to take your money, maybe you should protect it. I think most people would do that.

The same could go for corporations that are increasing pricing to a high extend, their extra cash increase federal tax, including for employee's, companies are creating rifts in federal info allowing illegal activity to develop, including fraud. Health care is becoming more expensive and charters established to help with that, are making outrageous requirements. Illegal immigrants are being allowed to purchase housing in America, and take up a large amount of funds needed for American healthcare.

Illegal immigrants are part of a larger problem, in the States, we're looking a lot about Mexico, poor people who are desperate, and a lot of the world is poor because of neoliberalist economic policies and unfair trade. But I agree, illegals shouldn't be allowed to purchase housing. Denying them health care is a hard ethical issue, because medicine has a Hippocratic Oath, for us in health care it would go against our profession to not provide care. Then, who should pay for it, should renumeration be sought from the countries of the illegal immigrants origin? Those countries are poor because of the same policies, not an easy question. If the ethical view is that America only serves the interests of Americans, then you simply crackdown on the illegal immigrants. But even so, it might serve American interests to use it's might and wealth in the service of international social justice, towards countries like Mexico, so that there isn't such desperation. I find this problem very challenging as an ethical issue, because it's hard to find fault with the immigrants if you were to employ the ethical tool of placing yourself in their shoes, or the Golden Rule, given the desperates situation they may be in. This position is criticized as "bleeding heart".

Also it could go for government, for a full suit on an American solder, the cost could range all the way up to $14,000 mattering on field and profession, America is in debt again, and is taking tax from it's citizen while senators (etc.) are increasing there pay by trying to pass a pay increase. (Greedy b@$t#%ds) also military has demanded (at the start of the war in Iraq) for increased funds which is a given since the cost of an all out military strike is colossal, and a president promising a tax cut, has only increased taxes to fund the war and pay off debts.

The military expenditure of the States is outrageous, leading a world military expenditure that in three days spends the same amount as annual spending to deal with HIV/AIDS. So much for fiscal conservatism, it's always the Republicans that blow up the deficits, leaving even Democratic governments with their hands tied on social spending. The moral question is whether it's true that such a colossal military is necessary, and contributes to security in America and the world. The hawks would have you believe that if they didn't operate this way, we would be vulnerable to damage, destruction even annihilation. But the moral imperative here is clouded by the gains made by military power, such that when the US invades Iraq we can speculate over the oil interests, whereas other unstable regions are are ignored because there's no oil.

Also other non managing server site's on the internet and other technology devices are requiring a credit card for monthly services (and only a credit card) many free information sites are jumping over the law to gain cash, and oil companies are refusing to shut down even after the weather crisis that is arising and the lack of sites to drill out fossil fuel, protesters are being arrested for arsenal even when the protest did not breakout into violence (at all) and this resulting from the home defense agencies increased lookout for possible terrorist activity,

These actions could tell anyone 'hey, thats just not right', the war in Iraq was not needed, and the only reason we haven't pulled out is because we have no one to take care of Iraq for us,

I’m not saying we should pull out, but intel was bad and many innocents were lost based on its info, terror was the target, I think we should have stuck to it, the problems in the middle east could have been salved in a much more effective less risky manner, but patience was not an option, so, we moved out with a punch and hurt others in the process, that is morally wrong to those who died based on that intel, we should have waited for confirmed, photographically evidence before a quick, lack-of-info strike, it's like giving a retard a gun and telling him his teachers an alien (='s dead teacher) a more effective military system is in order, and we need to stop having prepish presidents and leaders, make a hard working citizen with a good head and smarts but with an ego not afraid to get down in the ditches and work like everyone else president , someone with the goal to protect America and its 'people', not just the American government.

So... Do you agree?

Michael Moore for president?

But on morality, the question is on what you believe. If you believe that a) Iraq has WMD, Al-qaeda and Iraq are working together and c) the Iraqi people will welcome you as liberators from their despot, then going to war in Iraq looks like a moral choice unless you are a pacifist to begin with. Straight pacifism wouldn't appeal to most Americans because of their own revolution and because of the World Wars. All three were untrue, so it's a question of who lied, who was incompetent or who is hearing only what they want to hear. It's really bad, all the stuff you mentioned, but I think that most people are moral all over the world. It's just that often they haven't got the right information, or they're greedy or power-hungry, which is like an addiction. People with addictions often lie, so that results in people not having the right information, and those addictions give people money and power.

Arif

[Canadian Patriot]

we have begun to see the international decay of national sovereignty.

"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money." Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995)

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis mine], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government." Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation." David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all." Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

I can easily grab some more quotes but i think these powerfull men's quotes speak for themselves.

I also urge you to research the cremation of care and the bohemian club.

you wanna really know what your politicians are up to i suggest you watch video footage taken inside the bohemian grove you have to see it to beleive it. We also have a similar grove in ontario near kingston i beleive which held the 93 bilderberg meeting. google video will have the Alex jones and brittish footage.

Members have admitted that they do this but only for fun. I'm not a religeos guy but when i watch 2000 of the worlds most powerfull men including politicians and corperate heads from all around the world sacrificing a human in effigy to the stone owl molloch we have a problem.

Wake up fight for your freedom it is getting to be crunch time here. This is not an American issue it is an internationall issue that needs to be addressed

i would also like to point out that Steven harper has attended bilderberg as well in 03 boy i wonder what he was doing there?

[arif]

The illuminati?

more of a conspiracy theory than anything,

in my opinion

Arif