israeli foreign minister wants to support a terrorist organization

[bud]

Lieberman is also planning to set meetings with the heads of Kurdish rebel group PKK in Europe in order to “cooperate with them and boost them in every possible area.” In these meetings, the Kurds may ask Israel for military aid in the form of training and arms supplies, a move that would constitute a major anti-Turkish position should it materialize.

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the self created quicksand israel finds itself in is sinking israel a lot faster with lieberman as its foreign minister.

with the current government, israel is unable to do anything right. they've become nothing more than a rogue state.

Edited September 16, 2011 by bud

[Argus]

Lieberman is also planning to set meetings with the heads of Kurdish rebel group PKK in Europe in order to “cooperate with them and boost them in every possible area.” In these meetings, the Kurds may ask Israel for military aid in the form of training and arms supplies, a move that would constitute a major anti-Turkish position should it materialize.

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the self created quicksand israel finds itself in is sinking israel a lot faster with lieberman as its foreign minister.

with the current government, israel is unable to do anything right. they've become nothing more than a rogue state.

Why? Because a journalist speculates that the PKK might ask for weapons and Israel might give them some? How does that make them a rogue state? Why does Turkey get a buy out from all you great "human rights champions" for their brutal suppression of their Kurdish minority? Why shouldn't Israel cooperate with the Armenians to embarrass and shame the Turks for their unrepentant slaughter of Armenians?

[Bonam]

Lieberman is also planning to set meetings with the heads of Kurdish rebel group PKK in Europe in order to “cooperate with them and boost them in every possible area.” In these meetings, the Kurds may ask Israel for military aid in the form of training and arms supplies, a move that would constitute a major anti-Turkish position should it materialize.

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Why do the Kurds deserve their own state any less than the Palestinians do? Where is your condemnation of Turkish repression of their Kurdish subjects? Why are you not defending their right to resist occupation by an unwanted regime? Such a freaking hypocrite.

[bud]

Why do the Kurds deserve their own state any less than the Palestinians do?

the area between northwestern iran, northeastern iraq and southern turkey is predominantly kurdish and i am not opposed to kurdish state.

Where is your condemnation of Turkish repression of their Kurdish subjects?

turkey has stepped up and has improved its treatment of the minority kurds since the 1990's and well before erdogan came to power. this is mostly due to the pressure from the EU and turkey's turn towards a better and more democratic country. at the same time, what turkey has done in the past including major human rights violations and use of chemical weapons against the kurds, despite pkk's terrorist activities, cannot be excused. so i have no problem condemning turkey for any and all human rights violations.

Why are you not defending their right to resist occupation by an unwanted regime? Such a freaking hypocrite.

i don't defend terrorism. i can't defend PKK's acts of terrorism just like i can't defend hamas' acts of terrorism.

now tell me if you support or condemn the israeli foreign minister's support for this terrorist organization.

Edited September 14, 2011 by bud

[Bonam]

i don't defend terrorism. i can't defend PKK's acts of terrorism just like i can't defend hamas' acts of terrorism.

And yet you support and applaud groups that deliver or ease the delivery of goods and materials to the territory ruled by Hamas, such as through the flotillas. That is, you support organizations that are directly aiding Hamas. And, you condemn Israel's attempts to cease or reduce this provision of aid to Hamas (attempts which have even been recognized as legal by the UN). If there was any consistency in your position, you would be condemning Turkey and applauding groups that help the poor oppressed Kurds.

As for my position, it has always been clear and consistent. Nations, just like individuals, act (and should act) in their own interest. Western nations have supported rebel groups in various conflicts in various countries where it has suited their interests, most recently Libya, and Israel is no different in that regard. Its actions are no more immoral than those of Canada, the US, Britain, France, or many others. If this practice deserves condemnation, then it should be condemned generally, rather than focusing on Israel (as you always do).

[dre]

And yet you support and applaud groups that deliver or ease the delivery of goods and materials to the territory ruled by Hamas, such as through the flotillas. That is, you support organizations that are directly aiding Hamas. And, you condemn Israel's attempts to cease or reduce this provision of aid to Hamas (attempts which have even been recognized as legal by the UN).

Hamas makes up a TINY percentage of the people in Gaza, and its completely dishonest to suggest that people against the siege are supporting Hamas.

[bud]

And yet you support and applaud groups that deliver or ease the delivery of goods and materials to the territory ruled by Hamas, such as through the flotillas.

of course i supported the delivery of aid, which was all the flotillas had, to the people of gaza. one good thing came out of the tragic event was that the spotlight on israel's excessive respond and the international community's pressure forced israel to ease the blockade at least a little bit. it also magnified israel's, especially the current government's, character and the level respect it has for international law right before the bid of a palestinian state.

As for my position, it has always been clear and consistent. Nations, just like individuals, act (and should act) in their own interest. Western nations have supported rebel groups in various conflicts in various countries where it has suited their interests, most recently Libya, and Israel is no different in that regard. Its actions are no more immoral than those of Canada, the US, Britain, France, or many others. If this practice deserves condemnation, then it should be condemned generally, rather than focusing on Israel (as you always do).

nazi germany also claimed to act in its own best interest.

i don't care if your ideal is the light version of bob's. israel, just like more other states have an obligation to following international law. they are signatories to and obligated to follow them, including the fourth geneva convention.

[Bob]

Hamas makes up a TINY percentage of the people in Gaza, and its completely dishonest to suggest that people against the siege are supporting Hamas.

While that is technically true, it's misleading. The proportion of Canadians composed of the CPC, NDP, LPC, and BQ is also a "TINY percentage", but most of us vote, right? Gaza won a majority vote in a supposedly fair(ish) election overseen by none other than the fabulous Jimmy Carter.

What's your point, anyways? That Israel shouldn't defend itself from terrorism perpetrated by a "TINY percentage" of the "Palestinians"?

[Bob]

nazi germany also claimed to act in its own best interest.

Who cares what the state said during those times? Clearly Germany was living in a totalitarian dictatorship during those times, and Nazi Germany hardly operated in the best interests of Germany. Rather, it operated in the perceived best interests of the Fuhrer.

You drone on and on about Nazi this and Nazi that, as if anyone here has ever said anything remotely resembling a desire for the extermination of a a race or ethnicity. There's no more shock value left in your pimping out of the N-word, you use it in every other post in a sad attempt to smear those of us who reject "Palestinian" claims to statehood and shed light on their track record.

[Rue]

nazi germany also claimed to act in its own best interest.

Your decision to lower yourself to baiting Jews, Israelis, holocaust survivors and supports of Israel's right to exist as Nazis speaks for itself.

The title of this thread is a blatant attempt to incite hatred and troll and its high time this Forum got off its butt and reign you in.

I ask the forum moderator again, does it matter that his insult is not directed at a specific person to make its comments just as repugnant as if I called him a Nazi and terrorist? Well? What is the difference?

How many more slurs do you need broadcast on this forum by him before you reign him in? How many more insults against holocaust survivors do you want to pass off as reasonable political debate?

[Bob]

Your decision to lower yourself to baiting Jews, Israelis, holocaust survivors and supports of Israel's right to exist as Nazis speaks for itself.

The title of this thread is a blatant attempt to incite hatred and troll and its high time this Forum got off its butt and reign you in.

I ask the forum moderator again, does it matter that his insult is not directed at a specific person to make its comments just as repugnant as if I called him a Nazi and terrorist? Well? What is the difference?

How many more slurs do you need broadcast on this forum by him before you reign him in? How many more insults against holocaust survivors do you want to pass off as reasonable political debate?

You're certainly free to complain to the moderators if you so wish, but really, who cares? Let bud say whatever he wants. He doesn't offend me in the slightest, because I don't expect anything more from him.

[bud]

The title of this thread is a blatant attempt to incite hatred and troll and its high time this Forum got off its butt and reign you in.

the title of this thread is 100% true. the israeli foreign minister wants to support PKK, a terrorist group.

[Rue]

the title of this thread is 100% true. the israeli foreign minister wants to support PKK, a terrorist group.

Pathetic. You list terrorist group(S)in your title now try back up and say you only mean PKK.

100% true.Right Because you say so.Once again you demonstrate you express a subjective opinion with NO PROOF or evidence to back up your opinion but claim it as a fact. Its what you do. Spew allegations with no proof and proclaim because its your subjective opinion, its truth.

Considering you support and advocate terrorism against Israel your sudden concern Israel is supporting terrorists is laughable.

Secondly, Israel of course would support the Iran wing of the PKK as does the US and Britain and other nations. Why would they not?

You want to play games? Oh look Israel supports the PKK. Of course it would if its to its advantage.

See unlike you Bud, I didn't come to this forum to play the fool. Your point Bud that since Israel supports terrorist PKK makes supporting Hamas acceptable is about as logical and meaningful as the other poster suggesting since he finds BOB an extremist you can be one too.

Of course your brain couldn't possibly fathom the lack of logic in what you advance or the fact that your attempt to suggest if I support Israel I must be a terrorist is equally as illogical.

Its what you do Bud-engage in black and white name calling.

You can't conceive of anything but rigid all or nothing propositions.

[bud]

Pathetic. You list terrorist group(S)in your title now try back up and say you only mean PKK.

i can remove the (s).

your empty accusations against me and rabid rage doesn't change the fact that the pkk is a terrorist organization and lieberman has said he wants to support it as payback against turkey.

this information is fact and not an opinion.

Considering you support and advocate terrorism against Israel

your drivel will no longer be responded to until you are able to show where i have advocated terrorism against israel or accept that you are repeating bs.

Edited September 17, 2011 by bud