CANADIEN Posted May 1, 2011 Report Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) According to the estimed George Jonas, a low turn out is a sign of a healty democracy. And here it goes He is wrong. People who don't vote are people who don't care. Or who think there's nothing worth caring for. I don't see how that could be good. Edited May 1, 2011 by CANADIEN Quote
Molly Posted May 1, 2011 Report Posted May 1, 2011 It is certainly people who do not 'stand on guard for thee'. I see quite a direct link between that non-voter apathy and an abject failure to grasp the rudiments of governance... that is to say, when/if the (apathetic) really do need to make a difference they: might not even recognize the need; and if they do, haven`t got a clue how to then go about it. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
ToadBrother Posted May 1, 2011 Report Posted May 1, 2011 According to the estimed George Jonas, a low turn out is a sign of a healty democracy. And here it goes He is wrong. People who don't vote are people who don't care. Or who think there's nothing worth caring for. I don't see how that could be good. Jonas was once a bright guy. He's now just a conservative reactionary who writes pure rubbish. Quote
Scotty Posted May 1, 2011 Report Posted May 1, 2011 Well, if you're stupid, then not voting is a good thing. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
CANADIEN Posted May 1, 2011 Author Report Posted May 1, 2011 Well, if you're stupid, then not voting is a good thing. Your definition of stupid being, perhaps, whoever votes for the other party? Quote
Scotty Posted May 1, 2011 Report Posted May 1, 2011 Your definition of stupid being, perhaps, whoever votes for the other party? No, there could well be very good reasons to vote for the other party. If I was poorer, for example, I think I would see the NDP or Liberals as being more likely to give me what I want in the way of government assistance. If I was an immigrant wanting to bring my aged parents or grandparents over, again I'd see the NDP and Liberals as more likely to be the party who would be amenable to that. If I was a Black guy I might see the NDP as being a lot less friendly with police and a lot more welcoming to the idea of job quotas to get me hired and promoted. If I was gay or lesbian (mind you, I am a lesbian on the inside!) I would likely see the NDP as more friendly to me than the Tories. Middle class straight white guys voting NDP on the other hand - are largely like gay men voting Republican in the US. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
bloodyminded Posted May 1, 2011 Report Posted May 1, 2011 Middle class straight white guys voting NDP on the other hand - are largely like gay men voting Republican in the US. I dunno about that. I'm a middle-class straight white guy, and I don't think my NDP vote tomorrow is going to be unusual for my demographic, such as it is. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
CANADIEN Posted May 1, 2011 Author Report Posted May 1, 2011 No, there could well be very good reasons to vote for the other party. If I was poorer, for example, I think I would see the NDP or Liberals as being more likely to give me what I want in the way of government assistance. If I was an immigrant wanting to bring my aged parents or grandparents over, again I'd see the NDP and Liberals as more likely to be the party who would be amenable to that. If I was a Black guy I might see the NDP as being a lot less friendly with police and a lot more welcoming to the idea of job quotas to get me hired and promoted. If I was gay or lesbian (mind you, I am a lesbian on the inside!) I would likely see the NDP as more friendly to me than the Tories. Middle class straight white guys voting NDP on the other hand - are largely like gay men voting Republican in the US. Why? I am white, and middle class. And I do not have a problem with policies that alleviate the worst effects of poverty. I don't have a problem with policing that does not include mindless racial profiling. I do not have a problem with anti-discrimination policies (job quotas are another thing, but I don't see those in the platform of any party). The Republican Party in the US is viewed has being hostile to gays. I do not see anything hostile to me as a white middle-class man in the NDP platform (and I happen to believe that their economic platform, in case you want to raise that one, is as full of non-sense as that of the Conservatives). Quote
Scotty Posted May 1, 2011 Report Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) Why? I am white, and middle class. And I do not have a problem with policies that alleviate the worst effects of poverty. Me neither, but we already have those policies. I don't have a problem with policing that does not include mindless racial profiling.Who says it's mindless? I find it mindless that airport screeners will carefully search an eighty five year old granny and let the young Pakistani men walk on by. I do not have a problem with anti-discrimination policies (job quotas are another thing, but I don't see those in the platform of any party). I have nothing against equality of opportunity. The problem is the NDP types want equality of results, and you can't seriously believe an NDP government would not make this a priority. The Republican Party in the US is viewed has being hostile to gays. I do not see anything hostile to me as a white middle-class man in the NDP platform I've been following federal politics since Broadbent was NDP leader and couldn't keep still, always swaying back and forth as he stood in the House to speak. I've never seen anything from that party which shows any real concern for middle class people. Quite the contrary. Their concern has always been for taking money away from me and giving it to someone else, for taking rights away from me, and giving them to someone else, for taking jobs away from me and giving them to someone else. (and I happen to believe that their economic platform, in case you want to raise that one, is as full of non-sense as that of the Conservatives). There is nonsense in all platforms. The danger of the NDP is they believe in their nonsense. Edited May 1, 2011 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
CANADIEN Posted May 1, 2011 Author Report Posted May 1, 2011 Me neither, but we already have those policies. Helping the "poor" rich is not alleviating poverty. Cutting into social programs after program is not either. . Who says it's mindless? I find it mindless that airport screeners will carefully search an eighty five year old granny and let the young Pakistani men walk on by. I would find that mindless too, if that was actually happened. And put it anyway you, when a young man is arrested on nothing more of a suspicion that he is of the wrong skin colour at the wrong time in the wrong part of town in the wrong car, it is mindless. Fortunately enough, there is less and less of that. I've been following federal politics since Broadbent was NDP leader and couldn't keep still, always swaying back and forth as he stood in the House to speak. I've never seen anything from that party which shows any real concern for middle class people. Quite the contrary. Their concern has always been for taking money away from me and giving it to someone else, for taking rights away from me, and giving them to someone else, for taking jobs away from me and giving them to someone else. I have been following politics since before Broadbent, and the non-sense about the NDP being about taking rights away is quite frankly, ridiculous. Same with the "taking jobs away from me" bit. As for being against middle class people on the economic front. It is not the CONSERVATIVES who are proposing tax cuts for small businesses for creating jobs. Now is it? There is nonsense in all platforms. The danger of the NDP is they believe in their nonsense. Are you admitting that the Conservative know that they cannot give the biggest corporations tax breaks that will not result in more jobs, waste money by spending more than needed on airplanes, and at the same time balance the budget? The LIARS Quote
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