McHale running as an Independent in election

Ontario Loyalist · September 5, 2008

I doubt he'll get many votes, but this should be very interesting.

http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ArticleDi...,%20SUN%20MEDIA

charter.rights · September 5, 2008

I doubt he'll get many votes, but this should be very interesting.
http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ArticleDi...,%20SUN%20MEDIA

It won;t even be interesting. He is a no body trying to act like a somebody. My bet is that he won't even be invited to a debate between the candidates.

Ontario Loyalist · September 5, 2008

It won;t even be interesting. He is a no body trying to act like a somebody. My bet is that he won't even be invited to a debate between the candidates.

I don't think that would be legal. Seems to be important enough that people from Six Nations have to go around trying to assault him and that the OPP arrests him for peacefully demonstrating while the same doesn't go for Six Nations peoples.

AngusThermopyle · September 5, 2008

He is a no body trying to act like a somebody.

Pure opinion, nothing more.

He's enough of a somebody to throw a wrench into the six nations thuggish tactics.

charter.rights · September 5, 2008

I don't think that would be legal. Seems to be important enough that people from Six Nations have to go around trying to assault him and that the OPP arrests him for peacefully demonstrating while the same doesn't go for Six Nations peoples.

Nah. No one from Six Nations is targeting him.

During a non-native protest of a smoke shop, he tried to push his way passed the OPP line while flapping his gums about two tier justice, blah blah blah. He got clobbered by a guy when McHale went nose to nose with a native women and pushed her to the ground. Such a manly gesture don't you think? Certainly the judge that banned McHale from Caledonia thought it was a cowardly violent act.

And Angus baby, McHale hasn't had anymore affect on the issues at Caledonia than a whiny kid does when he takes his ball and goes home. After a while McHale even became annoying to those that supported him in the beginning and then quickly abandoned him. Like Toby Barret the local MPP, who recently stated in the media that McHale has tried to intimidate him into support his cause. I suppose a $25 million lawsuit kinda fits that bill, doncha think?

Ontario Loyalist · September 5, 2008

Nah. No one from Six Nations is targeting him.

There was an incident where a woman from Six Nations intentionally blocked his path and then suddenly started screaming "don't you hit me" and then was attacked by Clyde Powless. There is video of the incident and none of it shows that he ever hit her, yet it clearly shows Clyde Powless taking swings at him.

Ontario Loyalist · September 5, 2008

Like Toby Barret the local MPP, who recently stated in the media that McHale has tried to intimidate him into support his cause.

No, he stated that Barret should be sticking up for the people who elected him. It's Fantino that has been trying to "intimidate" Barret.

AngusThermopyle · September 5, 2008

There was an incident where a woman from Six Nations intentionally blocked his path and then suddenly started screaming "don't you hit me" and then was attacked by Clyde Powless.

Yeah, we went over that incident a while back. After watching the video many times it was obvious that they targeted him, as you said, he didn't touch the agitator who claimed he pushed her. Once our resident Native propaganda poster got done you'd think he'd called in an air strike on her. Of course it was all just staged bull with no substance to it.

It is however very typical of Native tactics that have been obvious since this crap started.

charter.rights · September 5, 2008

No, he stated that Barret should be sticking up for the people who elected him. It's Fantino that has been trying to "intimidate" Barret.

McHale has threatened him as well. Toby just issued a challenge to McHale to release the letter to the public so everyone could see exactly what he is up to. Of course McHale won't because he has been trying to intimidate many people by frivolous lawsuits. When the public gets wind of his tactics there is no doubt he will be called on it.

McHale is a liar and agitator. Who would want him in parliament?

Ontario Loyalist · September 5, 2008

McHale is a liar and agitator. Who would want him in parliament?

Quite right... the last thing we need is those "liar and agitator" types in Parlaiment... :rolleyes:

AngusThermopyle · September 6, 2008

Quite right... the last thing we need is those "liar and agitator" types in Parlaiment...

Very true, we should try to keep them on the barricades where they belong.

charter.rights · September 6, 2008

Very true, we should try to keep them on the barricades where they belong.

What? Is McHale planning another Caledonia protest? And are you his Chief organizer Angie?

AngusThermopyle · September 6, 2008

And are you his Chief organizer Angie?

Ahhh, more juvenile attempts at insults from the usual predictable source.

All I can say is thank you, every time you resort to such childishness you merely reinforce what I've said about your immaturity and irrelevancy.

Do continue, you make it so easy.

Wild Bill · September 6, 2008

Ahhh, more juvenile attempts at insults from the usual predictable source.
All I can say is thank you, every time you resort to such childishness you merely reinforce what I've said about your immaturity and irrelevancy.

Do continue, you make it so easy.

Same old, same old, eh Angus?

It doesn't matter what a Six Nations spokesman thinks of McHale. It matters what the VOTERS of Caledonia think of him!

We shall see how well he does. Independents generally have a rough go getting elected but when Liberals are down so far, the NDP in Ontario have Bob Rae's legacy around their neck and the incumbent Tory Diane Findley hasn't been even seen much since the protests started, McHale might just pull it off!

It would be a very strong message sent to Harper and McGuinty, that's for sure!

AngusThermopyle · September 7, 2008

Same old, same old, eh Angus?

Too true. Go over to the "Coward" thread and you'll see some even more absurd assertions from the same old same old.

Just looking at the last post in that thread has finally confirmed for me the fact that the poster does not function in a rational manner, at least as is generally accepted as being rational.

Sorry: I should have said the second last post.

Edited September 7, 2008 by AngusThermopyle

Wild Bill · September 8, 2008

While reading my morning paper I came across a list of candidates in the ridings around my area. I noted that in Haldiman-Norfolk the incumbent Diane Finley faces Gary McHale, the activist for non-natives who's running as an independent.

I've never given independents much hope but this article and list made me stop and wonder a bit. This is an agricultural riding which tends to vote conservative. Finley won last time against Bob Speller, a Liberal who surprisingly understood farming and had held the riding for a long time. Even though he was a Liberal his agro experience and talent made him an attractive choice for this demographic. If not for the scandals in his party last election he might have kept his seat.

This time the Liberals are running Dr. Eric Hoskins, who is a native (forgive the pun!) of the area and has been involved with groups like Doctors Without Borders and War Child.

Now I certainly don't want to disparage these groups who I'm told do good works in dangerous areas of the world but are they the primary points to feature to attract an agricultural voter base? These type of organizations tend to be associated with more leftwing parties. Not that farmers don't care about children caught up in the horrors of war but wouldn't it be more attractive to have these points as secondary to a candidate's resume, after things like knowing which end of a tractor is the front?

The Greens try mightily to come off as a middle of the road party but every time their leader Elizabeth May opens her mouth she comes across as leftwing. We hear "We must save the planet! By the way, we also understand business stuff!"

The NDP haven't even gotten a candidate yet.

Given Finley's disappointment to her constituents over Caledonia and now the protests in Brantford, maybe McHale has a shot! Heaven knows the other parties seem to be trying to make it easy for him!

Edited September 8, 2008 by Wild Bill

charter.rights · September 8, 2008

While reading my morning paper I came across a list of candidates in the ridings around my area. I noted that in Haldiman-Norfolk the incumbent Diane Finley faces Gary McHale, the activist for non-natives who's running as an independent.
I've never given independents much hope but this article and list made me stop and wonder a bit. This is an agricultural riding which tends to vote conservative. Finley won last time against Bob Speller, a Liberal who surprisingly understood farming and had held the riding for a long time. Even though he was a Liberal his agro experience and talent made him an attractive choice for this demographic. If not for the scandals in his party last election he might have kept his seat.

This time the Liberals are running Dr. Eric Hoskins, who is a native (forgive the pun!) of the area and has been involved with groups like Doctors Without Borders and War Child.

Now I certainly don't want to disparage these groups who I'm told do good works in dangerous areas of the world but are they the primary points to feature to attract an agricultural voter base? These type of organizations tend to be associated with more leftwing parties. Not that farmers don't care about children caught up in the horrors of war but wouldn't it be more attractive to have these points as secondary to a candidate's resume, after things like knowing which end of a tractor is the front?

The Greens try mightily to come off as a middle of the road party but every time their leader Elizabeth May opens her mouth she comes across as leftwing. We hear "We must save the planet! By the way, we also understand business stuff!"

The NDP haven't even gotten a candidate yet.

Given Finley's disappointment to her constituents over Caledonia and now the protests in Brantford, maybe McHale has a shot! Heaven knows the other parties seem to be trying to make it easy for him!

First of all I heard an interesting tidbit on CBC this morning. Seems Harper has commanded the canadidates around the Haldmand NOT to speak to the media about local issues such as lands claims. Another gag order, no doubt.

Secondly, the Green Patry is mostly right wing on most issues (even more right than the centrist minority PCofC party). The only thing that is moderately left leaning is their environmental policies. Other than that they are pretty conservative.

Lastly, a Doctor who might have participated in the Doctors without Programs might have a good handle in the area of agriculture since most of the world's health problems - especially in thrid world countries - is due to poor diet and contaminated water. They have a good understanding of the basics of farming and would be an advocate for the Farmers Feed Cities campaign.

Ontario Loyalist · September 9, 2008

Lastly, a Doctor who might have participated in the Doctors without Programs might have a good handle in the area of agriculture since most of the world's health problems - especially in thrid world countries - is due to poor diet and contaminated water. They have a good understanding of the basics of farming and would be an advocate for the Farmers Feed Cities campaign.

This is laughable.

AngusThermopyle · September 9, 2008

most of the world's health problems - especially in thrid world countries - is due to poor diet and contaminated water.

One of the Third Worlds biggest problems is the Aids epidemic. So poor diet and contaminated water cause Aids?

As for doctors being well versed in farming, gotta go with OLs answer on that one.

Ontario Loyalist · September 9, 2008

Interesting article on McHale:

http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ArticleDi....aspx?e=1184299

AngusThermopyle · September 9, 2008

Yesterday, there were further reports that lumber was thrown off the bridge onto the Highway 6 bypass at Sixth Line and set on fire, blocking the road once more.

That was a good article. As we can see from the article it appears to be business as usual for six nations. All strictly legal highway blocking and wood burning I'm sure.

tango · September 14, 2008

That was a good article. As we can see from the article it appears to be business as usual for six nations. All strictly legal highway blocking and wood burning I'm sure.

It's hardly worth arguing these issues since the court is about to rule anyway.

The temporary injunction in Brantford will either be made permanent or it will be lifted permanently.

If the law is applied the way the Ontario Court of Appeals has written it, the injunction will be lifted.

Frontenac Ventures v Ardoch Algonquins

[48]

Where a requested injunction is intended to create “a protest-free zone” for contentious private activity that affects asserted aboriginal or treaty rights, the court must be very careful to ensure that, in the context of the dispute before it, the Crown has fully and faithfully discharged its duty to consult with the affected First Nations: see Julia E. Lawn, “The John Doe Injunction in Mass Protest Cases” (1998) 56 U.T. Fac. L. Rev. 101. The court must further be satisfied that every effort has been exhausted to obtain a negotiated or legislated solution to the dispute before it. Good faith on both sides is required in this process: Haida Nation, p. 532.

It is clear in the ruling that the 'duty to consult' comes before the 'force of law' via injunctions.

And thus, that the role of the police is minimal.

McHale will be left without an election platform. :lol:

Wild Bill · September 14, 2008

It's hardly worth arguing these issues since the court is about to rule anyway.
The temporary injunction in Brantford will either be made permanent or it will be lifted permanently.

If the law is applied the way the Ontario Court of Appeals has written it, the injunction will be lifted.

Frontenac Ventures v Ardoch Algonquins

[48]

Where a requested injunction is intended to create “a protest-free zone” for contentious private activity that affects asserted aboriginal or treaty rights, the court must be very careful to ensure that, in the context of the dispute before it, the Crown has fully and faithfully discharged its duty to consult with the affected First Nations: see Julia E. Lawn, “The John Doe Injunction in Mass Protest Cases” (1998) 56 U.T. Fac. L. Rev. 101. The court must further be satisfied that every effort has been exhausted to obtain a negotiated or legislated solution to the dispute before it. Good faith on both sides is required in this process: Haida Nation, p. 532.

It is clear in the ruling that the 'duty to consult' comes before the 'force of law' via injunctions.

And thus, that the role of the police is minimal.

McHale will be left without an election platform.

I wouldn't dismiss his platform so quickly. There is a BIG difference between how a lawyer might feel about the injunction wording and how the average Caledonia citizen may feel!

McHale will be campaigning on the spirit of our Law and not the letter of it. Thinking that his political support would disappear because of the technicalities of a legal paper is simply not "real world".

charter.rights · September 14, 2008

I wouldn't dismiss his platform so quickly. There is a BIG difference between how a lawyer might feel about the injunction wording and how the average Caledonia citizen may feel!
McHale will be campaigning on the spirit of our Law and not the letter of it. Thinking that his political support would disappear because of the technicalities of a legal paper is simply not "real world".

What you are suggesting is that McHale can emote a lie and get away with it......do you think that voters of Haldimand are really that dumb and gullible?

Edited September 14, 2008 by charter.rights