Jamaica wants Canada to help look after cons' it's sends back.

[Moxie]

Jamaica wants Canada to help Criminal Jamaicians to integrate back into Jamaician society after we deport them. Yes I can truely state this would be another waste of taxpayers money, will it happen? I'd say yes, it's easier than dealing with them in Canada.

Jamaica wants Canada to help look after `cons' it sends back

Snippet: Steady flow of criminals are proving a burden on meagre home resources

Nov 23, 2007 04:30 AM

Sandro Contenta

Feature Writer

KINGSTON, Jamaica–They arrive on flights dubbed "Con Air," a steady flow of Jamaicans thrown out of their adopted countries as convicted criminals.

More than 33,000 deportees have landed during the past 15 years, almost all removed from Canada, Britain and the United States. For a country of 2.7 million people struggling with poverty, limited police resources and rampant crime, the deportations are placing added strain on an already burdened society, Jamaican officials say.

After years of lobbying Canada and others to end the practice, Jamaica recently changed tactics. It's now pushing for funds to set up programs that help deportees re-integrate into a land some haven't seen since childhood.

The U.S. and Britain, which by far expel the most ex-offenders, recently made financial offers. But Canada has apparently remained silent.

"I haven't heard anything from Canada," says Ann Marie Barnes, chief technical director of Jamaica's Ministry of National Security.

Last year, Jamaican officials counted 224 deportees from Canada. In 2005, the number was 217. They say the actual number is somewhat higher, noting they don't always become aware of Jamaicans who voluntarily leave Canada after being ordered deported.

About 122,000 Jamaican-born residents live in Canada, according to the 2001 census.

A joint report released in March by the United Nations and the World Bank indicated the extent of the challenge facing Jamaica.

Between 2001 and 2004, Jamaica absorbed 2,700 deportees a year from the U.S., Britain and Canada – a huge influx, given that Jamaica's prison population in 2003 was only 4,744.

A United Nations/World Bank report notes that Canada and the other countries have a legal right to deport criminals who are not citizens. But it suggests they have a moral responsibility for deportees, "especially those who were raised in the ghettos of three of the richest countries in the world."

The report also notes that 85 per cent of Jamaica's skilled labour emigrates, mostly to the U.S., Britain and Canada. These countries, Barnes says, benefit from Jamaica's best while deporting those who have gone wrong, saddling the island with a high concentration of the unskilled and less employable.

"In a global world there should be a duty of care that is imposed on countries that are richer, that have much more material things at their disposal," says Barnes, adding she was not speaking on behalf of the Jamaican government.

The most notorious deportee from Canada was O'Neil Grant, thrown out after being acquitted of killing "Vivi" Leimonis, shot during a botched robbery at a Just Desserts café on Davenport Rd. in 1994. Grant's case fuelled calls for changes to federal legislation to more easily deport non-Canadians.

Grant had prior convictions for drugs and assault with a weapon. After 20 years in Canada, he was ordered deported by an adjudicator who described him as a public danger.

Two weeks ago, after five years in Jamaica, Grant was shot dead in what police say resembled a targeted hit. They say Grant, 37, never came to their attention here.

Last month, Toronto police arrested Lloyd Demetrius, 28, who sneaked back into the country after being deported to Jamaica two years ago. Demetrius, an alleged gang member, was convicted in 1999 for pumping three bullets into a man who tried to calm him down after Demetrius insisted on cutting to the front of the line in a Toronto takeout restaurant. He now faces more charges and another deportation hearing.

Grant and Demetrius – who came to Canada with his parents at the age of 2 – are examples of what Jamaicans describe as foreign-made criminals deported to a country they barely know.

"The notion that individuals can be rehabilitated

Link: http://www.thestar.com/News/article/279191

[capricorn]

Since in this country everyone is equal, if we fund Jamaican criminal deportees then we must fund all criminal deportees from all countries. I think this is one proposal even leftists would turn down. I mean...I think so anyway.

Why doesn't Jamaica do as we do. Find out what is at the root of the high incidence of criminality in their country and take corrective action over there.

[Moxie]

Jamaica has a serious problem with corruption from the ground level up to the Leader. The police have wanted to go after Jamaician gangs for some time but the government of Toronto does not want to upset the criminal eliment lest they offend them. I can see the government agreeing to pay for deportees to attend diversity class in "Jamaician Culture" before they deport them. Toronto has gone so far left, they vote while lying on their sides.

[capricorn]

Jamaica has a serious problem with corruption from the ground level up to the Leader. The police have wanted to go after Jamaician gangs for some time but the government of Toronto does not want to upset the criminal eliment lest they offend them.

Your comment made me think of something. Gangs in Toronto have a steady supply of Jamaican criminals immigrating here to increase their numbers. They must get some upset when one of their own is deported. I wonder what would happen if the City of Toronto simply refused to accept that Jamaican immigrants settle in Toronto. Wouldn't that be interesting. I wonder if the number of Jamaican immigrants to Canada would decrease as a result.

[guyser]

The police have wanted to go after Jamaician gangs for some time but the government of Toronto does not want to upset the criminal eliment lest they offend them.

If you think for a moment that the Toronto Police Services listens to the city you would be sadly mistaken.

It is always wonderful when people want to slag other places. But the fun only comes later, when they realize...uh oh, I should have checked before yapping.

Crime is more than twice as bad in Halifax than Toronto.

Crime rate 229 per 1000 Halifax

Crime rate 107 per 1000 Toronto.

So we may vote lying on our sides, but at least we can be safe doing so. Too bad you cant.

http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/051124/d051124b.htm

Edited November 27, 2007 by guyser

[guyser]

I say to Jamaica sure we can send you some money.Why not?

In fact here is an idea. We can send money, but first we will deduct the damage caused by your new patrons and if the balance is in the red, can you send us some cash back?

Pound sand Jamaica.

That said, I have a bit of a hard time removing someone who has lived her thirty of his thirty two years. But if not granted citizenship then I guess they can.

Seems someone raised here since two is a Canadian in pretty much all he or she does.To deport to a country he knows not seems kind of stupid. But then the option is to incarcerate and that costs us money. I guess we should throw em in jail.

[mikedavid00]

Seems someone raised here since two is a Canadian in pretty much all he or she does.

Yes I heard Bill Carole on the radio speaking about that too.

I disagree for the reason it opens loop-holes to get the parents back into Canada.

Send em all home and shut the door and lock it.

[Borg]

Tell Jamaica to take a hike.

Tell them to take their criminals and lock them away rather than sending them here.

Life will be better.

Borg

[mikedavid00]

Tell Jamaica to take a hike.

Tell them to take their criminals and lock them away rather than sending them here.

Life will be better.

Borg

Actually I'm beginning to take the side of Jamaica and I'm glad this historic event took place.

Think about it further. Just look at how out of control things are right now.

Here we accept in these good perfect people from Jamaica and basically let everyone in, and then we continually send them back as criminals that cost Jamaican tax payers money and are a burden on their tiny social system. These Jamaicans didn't even commit crimes in Jamaica and now become Jamaicas problem.

To be honest I side with Jamaica on this.

Who's fault is this?

Our weak immigration system, or Jamaicas?

Hmmmm....

Geee....

I wonder..

how we could ever stop this stuff from happening in the first place? How do we correct this problem.

Guyser?

[guyser]

Tell Jamaica to take a hike.

Tell them to take their criminals and lock them away rather than sending them here.

Life will be better.

Borg

Sure, should the 2 yr old fly in leg irons or just handcuffs? Perhaps a mask like Hannibel Lector?

[guyser]

Yes I heard Bill Carole on the radio speaking about that too.

I disagree for the reason it opens loop-holes to get the parents back into Canada.

Send em all home and shut the door and lock it.

What loopholes ?

They come here, grow into adults and then commit crimes and get deported . The parents , apart frm perhaps not instilling the right system, are free of legal hassle. They neither go here nor there.

Edit to add.

Oneil Grant is an example. He killed Vivi Leimonis in the Just Desserts murder. As I believe he did not ever seek citizenship, once convicted and myriad appeals were over he got sent back.

Justice as Oneill only knows, is what did him in back in Jamaica.

IOW , he was shot to death.

Edited November 28, 2007 by guyser