CAGERATTLER
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Harper now thinks Paul Martin is a monster?
Aren't most people who support child porn monsters?
This Harper is something else.
The Liberals could only wish for one guy better to lead these Conservatives and that would be Stocky Day!
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:angry: Yes even the Conservative supporters are starting to complain about Harper's tactics.
Heard several Conservative supporters on a local radio talk show saying they were upset that the Conservatives and the Bloc were bringing motions forward to close down the house.
No "work" no "pay" I say! Isn't that the big beef with the sponsorship program? People got paid for doing next to nothing?
Kind of hypocritical isn't it?
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I agree that this strategy to topple the government show a lot of desperation on Harper's behalf.
Remember Joe Who?
How about this one Stephen WHO?
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I hate to say I told you so to my right wing associates. But I called it . Kimmy you have to much confidence in Canadians to think they will stand up to corruption.
What corruption? Name one elected Liberal who has been charged with anything!
So some people who are employed by a company do something wrong to break the laws SO does that make every single member of that company guilty?
WONDERFUL justice really wonderful!
Hearsay,unproven accusations,lies and a Conservative bias media are the weapons of mass deception of the Conservatives! :angry:
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A good opposition makes the Government look incompetent.
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Listen up folks THESE are the same people who ranted on about the government giving Bombardier money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bad for the Liberals to do it goes un-noticed when the Conservatives do it!!!
Get a load of this:
until after Bombardier acquired Canadair for just $120-million, while Ottawa assumed nearly $1.2-billion in debt.
THAT'S $1.2 BILLION!!!!!!!! A Conservative government ASSUMED $1.2 BILLION of Canadair's debt!!!!
Can you say tax payers screwed again??
WOW!!!!
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Listen up folks THESE are the same people who ranted on about the government giving Bombardier money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bad for the Liberals to do it goes un-noticed when the Conservatives do it!!!
Get a load of this:
Bombardier acquired Canadair for just $120-million, while Ottawa assumed nearly $1.2-billion in debt.
THAT'S $1.2 BILLION!!!!!!!! A Conservative government ASSUMED $1.2 BILLION of Canadair's debt!!!!
Can you say tax payers screwed again??
WOW!!!!
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First Mr. MacKay lied to David Orchard then he did not want to reveal who donated money to his cause!
Everytime I see Peter MacKay on T.V. ranting about honesty & integrity it makes me laugh!!!
YEAH RIGHT JETHRO!!!!!
http://www.davidorchard.com/online/media-2...r-20040513.html
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Different story when a CON servative takes donations.
http://www.davidorchard.com/online/media-2...r-20040513.html
The Halifax Herald Limited , Thursday, May 13, 2004
MacKay's financial secret safe with Harper
No conflict, party leader says
by Stephen Maher
OTTAWA - Stephen Harper says he knows who paid off Peter MacKay's debt from the Progressive Conservative leadership campaign and he doesn't believe Mr. MacKay is in a conflict of interest.
Mr. MacKay, the Tory MP for Pictou-Antigonish-Guysborough, told this newspaper's editorial board in December that he had decided not to run for the leadership of the new, merged Conservative party, partly because he had personal debts of nearly $500,000 left over from his successful bid for the leadership of the old PC party last May.
Mr. MacKay said last week in Ottawa that family and friends helped him pay off the debt but that it was never as big as had been reported. But he wouldn't reveal who gave him money, or how much.
Democracy Watch, a group that pushes for greater openness in politics, said last week that Mr. MacKay should reveal who gave him the money.
"He will have no leg to stand on, if he is an MP after the election, to criticize the Liberals for hiding anything," said Duff Conacher, the group's co-ordinator.
"The public has a right to know what goes in and out of MPs' bank accounts in terms of gifts and donations."
During question period on Tuesday, Treasury Board president Reg Alcock took Mr. MacKay to task for keeping the names of the donors secret.
"I would ask the member why is he so afraid to share with Canadians who financed his leadership campaign?" Mr. Alcock said when Mr. MacKay asked a question about the sponsorship scandal.
In Ottawa on Wednesday, Mr. MacKay said he followed all the rules.
Reasonable or not, Mr. MacKay would be required to reveal all such gifts and donations if MPs vote to adopt the draft of a new ethics code requiring all MPs to disclose any gifts.
NDP MP Alexa McDonough said Mr. MacKay is being hypocritical.
"Under the new legislation, what he's doing would be completely illegal," she said Wednesday. "So I guess his ethical standard is: Do what you can get away with for as long as you can get away with it, and in the end, if the law requires it, just be glad you got away with it before you had to divulge the information."
People should not accept this kind of secrecy from an MP, she said.
"I just can't conceive of how he could think the public would be accepting of the explanation that it was only a few family and friends that paid off $500,000, and by the way, it wasn't that much after all, even though I told the public it was, and in the end it's nobody's damn business."
Some of Mr. MacKay's former Progressive Conservative colleagues are suspicious about the donations.
Mr. MacKay won the PC leadership race after signing a deal with leadership rival David Orchard promising to keep the party from merging with the Canadian Alliance. Mr. MacKay later broke that deal and negotiated a merger of the two parties.
Mr. Stevens said large cash donations can influence a politician.
"I would think that he was essentially backed by the money element in our party, the Bay Street people," he said Wednesday.
"And what kind of surprises me is that they wouldn't have funded him right up front. But that may have been part of their lever. Once you've got your man going and he gets in debt, I'm not saying he'll go black if he wants to go white, but it's sure a big influence, eh."
Mr. Stevens, who was forced to resign as a cabinet minister in Brian Mulroney's PC government in a conflict of interest scandal, said that in his experience money usually comes with strings attached.
"For people to raise substantial money like that for your own personal account is something that I don't think you should normally do," he said. "Because people as a rule don't part with money without some consideration in mind."
The scandal that brought down Mr. Stevens involved Magna, the giant auto parts company controlled by Belinda Stronach's father Frank. Magna gave a $2.6-million loan to Mr. Stevens' family business at the same time the company was earning millions from government contracts.
Magna gave $100,000 to Mr. MacKay's leadership campaign, which has led to speculation that the company may have helped Mr. MacKay with his debt after the race. Both Mr. MacKay and Ms. Stronach say that's not the case.
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All this ranting by the media and all the CON servative supporters makes me laugh!
This is the way the government has done business for years!
SCENERIO:::: Company donates to party in power! Company gets government contract in return.
HELLO!!!
This sort of stuff has been going on for years. So why in hell is everybody so shocked!!! This is unbelievable!!!
Here take a look at what goes on in the states:::
Study: Bush backers land Iraq deals
But is all this money-raising a truly transparent and benign endeavour? Critics point to enormous loopholes in Canada's election laws that allow money to be donated to parties secretly. Foreign-owned Canadian-based companies can also make contributions - raising fears that they are garnering political leverage. And many feel corporate donors are only generous because they want tax breaks, subsidies, government contracts and friendly policies. Meanwhile, fundraising scandals and the perception of improprieties persist.
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All the Québécers who were involved in the sponsorchip scandal were federalists.
Federalists from where? And who got ALL the contracts?
The fact IS that it was 95% Quebecers who prospered because of the sponsorship program!
Mr. Brault is not a federalist. He made millions on this program.
The accusation IS that money was funneled back to the ""QUEBEC WING""of Liberal party!
HELLO!!!!
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What?? You mean those liberal biased media (CBC) COULD BE out there reporting against the hand that feeds them. Pshaw! Couldn't happen, could it?
Yes so much for the media being bias toward the Liberals EH?
The biggest B.S. myth in this country is the B.S. myth the media is bias toward the Liberals.
What makes me laugh is a Conservative will say this and 2 days later he's quoting something from the C.B.C. that calls down the Liberals.
Or they'll be quoting A Rex Murphy anti-Liberal rant or something like it!
Talk about narrow minded!
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said the money would have been better spent such things as hiring more officers.
http://www.ccjc.ca/legislation/gun.cfm
Many opponents of the registration system including Stephen Harper claim to support licensing. The old system cost about $30 million dollars from local police budgets. That was $30 million dollars a year for a system that 6 separate inquests concluded was deeply flawed. Under the old legislation only 1/3 of gun owners had valid Firearms Acquisition Certificates (FAC). Now all gun owners have licenses to possess guns. Under the old legislation only handguns and military weapons were registered (about 1 million) now all guns must be registered (over 6 million), The new system offers police, for the first time, real time, on line information about who owns guns and the guns they own. This is critical for taking preventative action. Without information about who owns what guns it is impossible to keep guns out of the wrong hands or to combat the illegal movement of firearms.
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The last statistics I read showed that crimes such as robberies and breaks have skyrocketed since confiscation took place in Australia,
http://www.ccjc.ca/legislation/gun.cfm
· Firearm robberies have declined dramatically over the decade by 64% since 1992 and 10% in the past year alone according to the latest Statistics Canada Report (M. Wallace, "Crime Statistics in Canada, 2002", Statistics Canada, Catalogue 85002 XIE, Vol.22, No. 5, July 2003)
· The program is also assisting police in tracing illegal firearms and handguns, including those smuggled into Canada from the United States.
· Domestic homicides with firearms have fallen according to the latest report on intimate partner homicide (V. P. Bunge, “National Trends in Canadian Intimate Partner Homicide, 1974-2000”, Juristat, Vol. 22, No. 5, Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, Statistics Canada, 2002 p.5)
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QUOTE (CAGERATTLER @ Apr 7 2005, 06:43 AM)
It did not cost 2 billion dollars just to register guns in this country THAT is a barefaced lie! The gun registry is only one part of the gun control program and the whole program has not cost over one billion (according to the Auditor General) and that is a TOTAL for 10 years!
You are lying through your teeth.
Here you want the proof I'm not lying?:::
http://www.ccjc.ca/legislation/gun.cfm
The Financial Figures Have Been Grossly Misrepresented By The Gun Lobby
Critics who refer to the “Billion Dollar Gun Registry” are misleading the Canadian public. The total cost to set up a brand new program, license gun owners, and register most guns has averaged $100 million per year, totalling $1 billion over 10 years. Most of the money has been spent on licensing gun owners not registering guns.
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In the words of a great liberal leader,it's only millions of dollars, it was worth it!
It wasn't a Liberal leader who said that!
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If private is so much better than public healthcare where do we rank in healthcare compared to the U.S.A.?
HINT: It isn't behind them! SURPRISE!!!!
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As a fisherman im Glad to hear the Goverment is helping our farmers .
Too bad you're not glad enough to have structured your quote this way::"" As a fisherman im Glad to hear the ""LIBERAL""" Goverment is helping our farmers."""
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CAGERATTLER is a Liberal hack willling to defend the liberals despite any evidence or facts.
Just what facts are you talking about? The fact the P.Q.'s also got sponsorship money?
The fact that it was 95% Quebecers who prospered because of the sponsorship program?
Are all the so called political thieves from Quebec? :angry:
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How about... it does not matter because only the leader of any of those parties could speak for the rest of the party.
It was in fact the leader of a party.
I left out this part of the quote ""the ridings the Liberals hold "" because that would have taken away one of the choices I gave.
Notice not one CON servative could admit it was in fact Stephen Harper who said that!
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"You have to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from Eastern Canada; people who live in ghettos and are not integrated into Western Canadian society."
Was it a member of:
#1. The N.D.P.
#2. The Liberals.
#3. The Conservatives.
#4. The Communist Party.
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well environics is a fairly reputable pollster, but yes this poll was started before the ban was lifted
Well the polls will be different now that the ban has been lifted and the Conservative bias media has ranted like hell!
I think an over zealous media can swing an election.
And the last 2 days the media has been laying it on thick and heavy based ""ONLY"" on hearsay and accusations!!
GO FIGURE EH?
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Sorry, I guess I was wrong. The liberals have been very good for health care.
Well I don't hear the provinces complaining too much about the latest handout they got for healthcare!
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Its not that simple, its because in quebec a company can't give money to a political party,
That's not the point! Bernard Landry was on T.V. yesterday saying they got no money but today they are going to pay back the money Bernard said they didn't get!
Paul Martin THE Monster?
in Federal Politics in Canada
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See they actually believe Martin supports child porn!
Do they believe everything these Conservatives tell them ?
Hearsay,unproven accusations,lies and a bias Conservative media are the weapons of mass deception of the Conservative Party.
HINT: Paul Martin does not support child porn and he is not one of those monsters Harper's daddy told him about!