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Once again - you can choose to disbelieve my experience all you want.
I know what I have seen because I have audited the numbers during and after TPM.
I suspect that the FN band I'm talking about never made it to the AG's list.
Bullshit.
Put up or shut up.
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Wow, you really don't get it do you?
Further proof of TPM being a consequence is that I will not divulge information that I personally have experienced because it is embarrassing for the Band in question that I have experience with who has gone through it and has come out of it with very good leadership. [The reason they have good leadership now is because the previous leadership were kicked out and have stayed out].
That is all I have claimed to prove - that there are consequences to bad management.
Bullshit.
You have nothing. Your personal experiences are nothing but fantasy and innuendo.
Third party management does not work out to the betterment for First Nations. It is a fact, supported by the Auditor General of Canada in the former AG Sheila Fraser's last 12 years of reporting to Parliament.
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GM was not still turning a profit. They were in serious financial trouble. It was that outsourcing that turned things around for them.
Outsourceing to Mexico starter 10 years before the stock market crashed and put GM in trouble. (Actually it was GMAC, GM's financial arm that was dabbling in those underwater mortgages that hurt them). In fact when GM received its bailout the financial burden in terms of labour was only around 12% of their overall liability.
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As I have already stated:
My point has already been established back on page 5 - here's a hint - smallc quotes it and replies to it.
Nope. It doesn't work that way. You make a declaration, and your are REQUIRED under the "Rules and Guidelines" to back it up.
If you are stating a fact, be prepared to back it up with some official sources (websites, links etc)....Therefore, it is in your best interest to make sure that your post includes sufficient sources and contains a well-researched and well-organized argument.So either back it up by providing verifiable references or admit you made it up.
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I'll decline my point when you decline yours.
Backup your own claims, hypocrite.
Admit your own assumption.
Oh, and stop changing the goal posts while you're at it.
Mine isn't an assumption. However, the ball is in your court. You made the claim, and when you provide the citation I will refute with proper counter-references. Put up or shut up.....as the saying goes.
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You were talking about angry mobs and burning Parliament. That is a serious leap from civil disobedience.
The Burning of the Parliament Buildings in Montreal in 1849 was an important part of Canadian history and one of the primary reasons we live in a democracy and not an aristocracy.
"this was an existential moment of Canadian history, the formal birth of our instinctive politics of inclusion."John Ralston Saul
....and it is applicable today as it was then. If a government gets out of hand, violating rights and trying make a dictatorship, then civil action is morally justified.
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I don't need to name the band because I have already made the point.
You just don't get it yet....
Oh, but I'm sure you just know so much and the rest of us know nothing...
No. You made an insinuation based on a false premise - otherwise known as a fallacy argument. It has no merit until you make the proper citation, or decline your point. Backing up your claims is part of the terms and conditions you agreed to when you signed up. Get with the program or admit your assumption.
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Natives are engaged in a PR battle. They are trying to shape public opinion so the government will be forced to give them what they want. A violant uprising would ensure they loose that PR battle and makes no sense for them - especially when faced with a government that ignores its own laws to avoid using violance on natives (e.g. caledonia).
Nope.
If Natives were in a PR exercise they would not be protesting in that manner they have. You can certainly say the last 10 years of protests haven't helped improve the public image of Aboriginal people. However, their brand of protest has been highly successful by interrupting the economy. That in turn squeezes us and we squeeze the politicians to do something about it.
Your mention of Caledonia is another myth. No laws were skirted, and no one that committed a crime wasn't charged. In fact there were many charges laid over the protests on both sides, and many of the protesters from both sides received conditional discharges. What most people (and that would include you now you have shown your hand) miss is that our Charter Rights are held higher than domestic law. The duty of the police in protests is to keep the peace, avoid inciting a riot by making rash arrests, and record and catalog the event for future evaluation and charges. That not only happened in Caledonia but at Tyendinaga, Akwesasne and Brantford. At the end of the day justice was properly served and the police act in a reasonable manner.
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You should pick up picket signs before you pick up rifles and torches. Violence would be a last resort if their best peaceful efforts fail.
That depends. Peaceful protesters are morally (and may be legally) justified to fight back a violent confrontation by police that violate their rights.
The G8/G20 fallout is a good example.
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No it isnt. Do your research.
MPAC does assessments across Ontario, the rate charged for homeowners vs rental properties* are exactly the same for the same zone.
* if a rental property has 6 or more units the rules chaneg, but we have been talking about rental homes, not apt buildings or rooming houses.
MPAC sets the property value assessment for properties and the municipalities set the mill rate. So the tax rate can change from municipality to municipality, and vary between commercial single family residential and rental properties.
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Even if you don't own land in a city you still pay municipal taxes on your rented home or apartment, and you actually pay at a higher rate than homeowners.
NOPE. At least not in Ontario (which is all that matters). Only land owners are responsible for municipal property taxes. Landlords ~may~ use some of the income they receive to pay the taxes but the burden is squarely on him or her. The renters live municipal tax free.
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It is not a fact - it is your opinion based on your own limited experiences.
My opinion, based on my own limited experiences, is that I have seen a band come out of third party management and become successful.
I know because I have audited them during third party management and subsequent to third party management.
Choose to disbelieve my experience all you want.
Name the band(s). Name 10 and I'll do my own research.
However, under third party management First Nations always come out worse than when they went in and spend decades getting out of the debt and burdens that third party managers get them into. It is a FACT.
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On Vancouver Island I know of one where it no doubt has led to a success.
In another case, the threat led to a change in leadership/management which led to success.
But I'm not going to discuss specific bands for confidentiality purposes.
So you don't really have any, right?
There is nothing successful that comes out of third party management. That is a fact.
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No it can't. Getting off your asses and running in and voting in elections are the only justified actions as a civil remedy for failing government. You get the governance you deserve.
Civil disobedience is as important to a functioning democracy as elections. The means to real in errant politicians lies with "The People" through such action.
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But a non-violent one. There is no suitable justification for violence, unless it's a last resort. And I don't see tens of thousands of natives engaging in civil disobedience, so they aren't at "last resort" stage yet.
It worked for India.
They've jailed a heck of a lot of natives, but they can't jail them all. Or maybe that's why the CPC is making more prison space?
However....when we combine native injustice with unresolved homelessness issues, increasing poverty, disproportionate wealth, increasing police state etc, then we have the makings of a revolution - that kind that incensed and angry mobs would burn the parliament buildings over. That can be justified as a civil remedy for failing government.
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Then I guess the times that I have seen it being successful was just a fluke.
How about point to any First Nation where you ~think~ third party management has been successful. Chances are it is a myth also upon closer examination.
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No consequences?
Why do you think INAC/DAAND send in their own people when things go south?
They take control, set up remediation, and set the financial ship right (or, at least, improve things).
That's a myth.
When reserves get put into third party management, the third party managers triple the FN budget and put them so far into debt that they won't be out of third party management for 15 to 20 years. The reality is the managers end up proving that the feds are deliberately underfunding the FN since with all their expertise they can't make things any better.
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It is rebellion - something that the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples predicted when their report was released in 1996. If we do not work to correct Aboriginal injustices and find a way to reconcile with Aboriginal people on amiable terms RCAP suggests that rebellion and civil unrest will follow.
There are lots of ways to stage a rebellion. Although some Aboriginal youth have taken the attitude that death might be an easier preference to the kinds of injustices they suffer every day and if they choose their death, they say will take those that make life unbearable with them.
"It is a good day to die!"
Tashunkala (Little Horse), SihaSapa Lakota
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The alternative to peace through human contact is peace through conquest. Which is better?
Depends. But to a nation that instigates discord and injustice, and continuous undermines any peace effort, conquest would be a more effective route.
Drawing from the Haudenosaunee Law whose society is built on the concepts of Peace, Power and Righteousness (if I got this right they are inseparable) their laws provide:
88. When the proposition to establish the Great Peace ismade to a foreign nation it shall be done in mutual council.
The foreign nation is to be persuaded by reason and urged to
come into the Great Peace. If the Five Nations fail to obtain
the consent of the nation at the first council a second council
shall be held and upon a second failure a third council shall
be held and this third council shall end the peaceful methods
of persuasion. At the third council the War Chief of the Five
nations shall address the Chief of the foreign nation and
request him three times to accept the Great Peace. If refusal
steadfastly follows the War Chief shall let the bunch of white
lake shells drop from his outstretched hand to the ground and
shall bound quickly forward and club the offending chief to
death. War shall thereby be declared and the War Chief shall
have his warriors at his back to meet any emergency. War must
continue until the contest is won by the Five Nations.
The Constitution of the Iroquois (Haudenosaunee) Nations
They certainly don't play around with offending nations.
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Mark Ferguson calls the provision re-distribution.
It just basically means if you have tenure over anyone that person gets bumped regardless of what they do. Or at least that's what I'm told.
Not true.
The rule of seniority is that you are offered the next job available that you meet the qualifications for. Layoffs are to occur in the lowest ranked position in the department and lower paying positions are bumped by those up the wage category in the same department or where the one with the highest seniority is qualified in another department. Thus a labourer with seniority in the public works department can bump a laabourer with less seniority in another department ONLY IF they are qualified for the position.
A clerk does not become a supervisor because of the seniority rule.
The practical side of this is that the City invests considerable amount of time in its employees in training and experience. Losing a qualified worker to layoffs is a travesty to that investment. Since most positions go from through the wage levels in 18 or 24 months, there is no cost benefit to layoff older workers over newer ones.
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Are you saying it's not worth a try?
Peace requires equal participation. The Israelis have been faking interest for 60 years. What makes you think they are interested in making any compromises, especially since their complaints are race based.
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The article, linked and excerpted below, demonstrates how I believe that Muslim, Christian and Jewish communities should come together. The effort detailed below does not involved any government forced or funded "multicultural" exercise. It came from a felt desire within the community to find common ground, on a human basis. It is these kinds of efforts that create unity within communities
Ultimately, it could become the template for Middle East peace; start at the human level, build confidence, and then the exact location of borders does not matter. If words on a piece of paper are the only basis for peace, peace will not occur. Muslims and Jews; neither are inherently better or worse than each other. But until a way is found to do what's being done below, on a world basis, there will never be justice, or peace.
Pleasantville synagogue, Thornwood mosque members will break bread in fundraiserPLEASANTVILLE — If the way to a man’s heart is through his stomach, then how could a homemade dinner featuring chicken haleem with biryani and kasha varnishkas and gefilte fish keep the Jewish and Muslim communities apart?“I am most looking forward to some Muslim cooking,” joked Rabbi Mark Sameth, of the Pleasantville Community Synagogue, talking about an interfaith dinner organized by Under One Roof, a charity founded by members of the synagogue and the Upper Westchester Muslim Society Mosque in Thornwood. The dinner, to be held on Sunday, is devoted exclusively to the two communities and is not open to the public.Close to 80 members of the mosque and synagogue are expected to attend the event, a fundraiser for two international nonprofits. The proceeds will go to the Israel-based Birthday Angels, which provides birthday parties for orphans — both Arab and Israeli, and to support the work of Dr. Hawa Abdi in Somalia, who created a refugee camp for battered women and children.*****************“There is a common perception that the two communities do not see eye-to-eye,” said Dr. Mahjabeen Hassan, a plastic surgeon who moved to the United States in1977 from Pakistan. “Many people feel there is so much baggage there that things can never change. But that’s a very negative way of thinking.”Hassan, a Pleasantville resident for more than 25 years, said that “writing books” and “being on TV” cannot achieve as much as sitting down for a meal together can. The Thornwood mosque draws people from many countries including Pakistan, Bangladesh, India and Turkey, she said.*************“To me, if we are living in a multicultural society, then we should not be staying w ithin our culture or religion,” said Mumtaz, whose husband, Aamir Mumtaz, is the president of the board of the Upper Westchester Muslim Society Mosque. “We should be mingling with others, and getting to know each other.”Rabbi Sameth said the group was formed because the community felt the need for it from within.“It’s not a top-down relationship,” said Sameth, meaning it wasn’t initiated by the clergy or others in positions of power. “It bubbled up from within the two communities. Friendships are growing, relationships are growing and we are helping others.”Rabbi Mark Sameth of the Pleasantville Community Synagogue and Dr. Hassan of the Upper Westchester Muslim Society in Thornwood pose Jan. 19, 2012 at the Community Synagogue in Pleasantville with a cookbook that will be sold at an interfaith dinner. The dinner will benefit Birthday Angels, which provides birthday parties for orphans in Israel, and to support the work of Dr. Hawa Abdi in Somalia, who created a refugee camp for battered women and children. / Joe Larese/The Journal News (image in article)It will never work.
The Israelis have a hate hard on for anything not Jewish.
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As an apparent expert on ass holes I might defer to you.
However, Ford was elected by vote, is doing what he said he'd do and that should be to eviscerate the unsustainable union gravy that the socialist regimes dumped on the tax payers for years.
The civic unions in Toronto have killed their golden egg supply by overplaying their hand. I have NO tears for them.
Any bleeding hearts that don't understand fiscal responsibility should donate to the union cause and walk the picket line with them.
As for me,the union(s) have blackmailed the city all too long.
What most people miss is that Unions are not necessarily to blame for the increased wage4s and benefits.Public non-union managers - the ones who negotiate with the unions at contract time, have their wages and benefits tied to the union rates. There is no reason they would ask the union to take a cut, that will eventually mean that the non-union / management workers will have to take the same cuts.
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Todays generation doesnt remember what it was like to be an employee before collective bargaining. Its a real anti labor environment out there, and a lot of people wont be happy until your average Canadian worker lives like the workers at the FoxConn suicide factory. This is the same attitude that has resulted in the dismantling of the middle class.
Most Cons think that unions get in the way of personal achievement and wealth. In fact the opposite is true. Unions guarantee a minimum level of wealth, health and safety. In the public sector, many of the middle managers are also former union workers so unions do not stifle achievement either.....
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The 1849 rebellion was a direct contributor to confederation and democracy in Canada. Without it we would likely still be an aristocracy. The civil action was justified in changing the direction of politics in Canada.