Bistmaster

All I have to say about this topic is a) Read the 9/11 commission report. If you're not convinced then, and you want the gritty details of the science behind the tower's collapse then PM me or email me for a copy of a report that I filed about this issue. All of it is fact, no editorialization, no opinion, no bull.

I likely wouldn't have started the war in the first place. But that's just me. And that's also the past. Now everyone needs to work towards a solution to fix the problems. All areas of the world have been ravaged by war where humans have existed. North America is one of the worst, we've only had civilization here for 400 years and we've had domestically the War of 1812, the American War of Independance, the American Civil War, attacks on NA property during WWII and 10+ civil wars and insurrections in Central America. We're hardly one to be lecturing on peaceful society. I can promise you that they don't consider themselves as your possession. Well, the problem is that there just doesn't seem to be a solution at this time. Sure war is horrible, but sometimes neccessary. I'm not saying whether or not this one was neccessary, but I'm definatly not saying that it's not horrible. Yes, all areas of the earth have been ravaged by war, but not to the extent and the consistancy of the Middle East and, of course, Africa. I never considered them my possessions. I merely said that they were protecting what I believe in.

First off, they're not my boys. Although the US is our bestest buddy in the world, I don't consider myself any more American than I consider myself Iraqi. Second, if you want to maintain any kind of credibility, you need to stay away from terms like "dirty arabs." That's exactly where I stopped reading your post. Just a side note, when I was saying "dirty arabs" I was speaking literally. If you've ever seen video clips of CNN, Fox, CTV, CBC, BBC etc. interviewing random civilians, they are just that: dirty. Just as if I were to say some homeless guy downtown who hadn't showered in a month would be a "dirty caucasian". Yeah, with Sunni militias, Iraqi police units, Kurdish peshmergas, innocent civilians of the wrong sect...the Iraqi military is, at this point, a U.S. sponsored Shiite militia. Battling With Sadr for Iraqi Soldiers' Hearts And they are doing a real bang up job of that. If only someone could have predicte dthis outcome. Oh wait: lots of people did and were brushed off or called traitors. Well, the Iraqi government, being an empty shell, is about the only faction that wants the U.S. there, as it depends on the U.S. for its survival. Also it always bears repeating that virtually everything tht has unolded in Iraq was predictable and much of it preventable. But the U.S. leadership took a difficult situation and fucked it up beyond all hope of recovery. Basically, then, when hell freezes over. When were people labeled as traitors for making a prediction? And I suppose Canada or, to a lesser extent, you could have done better? (in response to "But the U.S. leadership took a difficult situation and fucked it up beyond all hope of recovery") Well, if you know your history, and I'm gonna bet that you do, that region of the world has ALWAYS been ravaged by war, so whether or not it can be stopped is not the issue, it's whether or not it can be slowed and perhaps...shoot can't find the right word....maybe the war and violence can be less-heightened, if you get what I mean. Also, I consider them "my boys" not your boys. So if anyone really has nothing to say, but to take it offensivly that I believe that they are fighting for the protection of my interests, just screw off and leave this to the intellects

You know, I find it hilarious that no one seems to understand that the US military isn't there with war on their agenda. They're there for police service now. The Iraqi Military is the one doing all the fighting. Our boys are just there to keep the dirty arabs from erupting the region into a civil war. Which brings up another issue. I wonder if any of you have read the article that Dubai, United Arab Emirates released stating the following AND I QUOTE The Article goes on about this and all of the technical hoodahada, but if you want the full version, I can email it to anyone who wants it. Basically, we're damned if we do, and we're damned if we don't. If we stay there, the international community has a hay-day and accuses the Americans of being the horrible imperialist faction of the world that is trying to take over, and if we leave, there is massive civil war, and millions of people die in the massacre of all massacres. So really, do we have a choice? We go in there to take out a brutal dictator that was killing hundreds of thousands of people, we liberate a country pleaing for our help (which by the way, the Iraqi Government right now are the ones that want us in there, not the insurgents that you keep hearing about that are blowing up our boys), we stay there and help with humanitarian reasons (building roads, schools etc.), and now, the US is getting accused of stealing oil and expanding into Iraq for more land and to oppress millions? So lets take a look at our options here... On one hand, we have the option of staying in Iraq and loosing a couple thousand lives. On the other hand, we have the option of leaving Iraq, and eventually, almost immediatly, loosing several millions of lives and the region splinters into just a bunch of little nation-states that are run by Al-Quida and what not and different factions, each with their own view on how to run a country. Either that, or they all die. In my opinion, leaving Iraq is NOT an option at this point in time. We should stay there a bit longer until the Iraqi government tells us to leave and they can show that they are able to support themselves. So...Ya. That's all from me for now.