I may be a just a kid, but this discussion seems really funny to me. You do realize most of you people sound exactly like Americans fighting about the war in Iraq. Sadly, the only way I know this is because I'm on the MLB message boards a lot and they don't always talk baseball. The thing is, you guys will be arguing forever. In the States the GOPers tell the Dems that because they think the troops should be withdrawn from Iraq; they are not supporting troops and are therefore un-american. The Dems then go and argue that the GOPers are listening to the BS flowing from George Bush's mouth and therefore the GOPers cannot think for themselves. It's a really stupid arguement, and no one is going to agree. I think it's unfair to tell someone that because they think troops should be removed they do not support troops. How can you not support someone if you don't want them to be killed? It is also unfair to tell people who think that it is important to leave the troops where they are that they can't think for themselves. I dislike seeing this kind of discussion, there are reasons why our troops are there and there are reasons why they should be pulled out, but that isn't why this discussion was started. It was started because someone questioned if Harper was trying to put people in the trap of "If you don't agree with me that the troops are meant to be where they are than you obviously don't support our troops and doing them a diservice." I don't like that approach and I don't like the approach of "If you think our troops should stay there then you are an idiot." Sorry if i repeated myself i just hate when these type of discussions are turned into black and white subjects because they aren't, it's just a whole lot of grey.