CentralCanadian

Nuckleheads, I swear it, instead of really debating the issue, you think I'm using seminary as something to hold over you. And then you have the nerve to say that I'm a goat, while you are the one dissing Catholic Priests and other well educated people, simply because of their education. It is people like you who focus to much on all the negative things in the church, and this bickering only proves it...never once did I say I even stepped foot in a seminary school. If you want it straight, I've been against the very people you despise, never once did I think I was better or knew better. I am not disquising anything, what would that prove.

That is entirely weak, look at our human bodies, you want to tell me that there was no thought behind it, that some adoms clashed to make our advanced reproductive, respitory, cardiac, and nervous systems. Oh ya and the food chain it just happened on its own. There is evidence of a creator all around us. Excuse me for taking offense but that "mumbo jumbo" bit is actually believed by 2 billion people, as well that comment is border line discrimatory so lay off, and who do think created science, who gave that knowledge, we just you know found out on our own with no help. Besides all of this, you got so hot headed to even realize the point of this topic, just so you could reassure yourself that there is no creator, pretty lame.

Very excellent point MM, which illustrates that Relgion is also saying "we theorize that this is the way it could have been". Goodness for the likes of me Ican't remember the name it starts with a B, a religion in India which accepts every faith and is as flexable as Science. Religion is flexible, just look at the all the denominations of the Christian Church, or different forms of Islam. Science has always had issues with explaining itself, that is why it is no better to be taught (as far as teaching about the unseen) in schools as other relgions. The issue Black Dog has made this into is one involving "God vs. Science", when really it is much deeper, complicated issue, the point is this conversation is like a pandorra's box.

*Announcer Voice* Well Johny tell them what they've won! *Johny* They've won the REPUBLIC OF CANADA, complete with fully functional Commons and a fully-functional elected Senate, whats more they will actually be able to chose their PM, this baby will be completely and utterly and truly DEMOCRATIC ALL RIIIIGGGHTT!

Perhaps the my error lies in the fact that I respond to people who come out with what they are trying to say, as far as I am concerned you have been talking about BTK and Anti-Christ, not giving any clarity to this topic at all...so my instincts took over and I used your 'south of the border' comment as a quote for my argument, and I believe this is, for all intesive purposes, a mature forum, so pull childish stunts like "hey you called the big guy with the 666 first", I find that kinda banter rediculous and out of place, espically since I didn't say Bush was. Secondly, there is nothing worst then trying to debate spiritual theology with someone who probably has not even stepped foot in a seminary, regardless this was the kinda mess I was hoping to avoid. You are correct in assuming the Anti-Christ according to wide-spread doctorine will not come out say "oh look here I am to decieve you", but I also know that it will not be on the falsehood of a fictional publicized faith in Christ. In the beginning, according to the Holy Bible, there will be an acceptance of all "faiths', and I doubt religion will play of much importance into the AC's rise to power. There is however an increasingily popular doctrine arriving that has no belief in the so-called 'Tribulation' and that the Last book of the Bible is simply a message of warning and hope. All of this said, the intent behind my post was not to discuss the Anti-Christ but simply say that what ultimately will it matter, life is life, what has been predicted should it happen will happen regardless of anything we do. The point I was trying to make which got lost somewhere was, Evil is going to happen and there is nothing that can be done about it as far as the physical is concerned, if the Anti-Christ arises tomorrow, should make a difference how Christians should live, the answer quite simple is...NO.

Here we go, Sadly, I live in the wealthiest Canadian Province and I feel sympathetic for Westerners. The Parliment needs to dissolve, and we need a Republic with two-tiered 'Functioning' Congress. The current system gives to much power to one party or person, call me an American or 'Bush-lover', the truth is I'm niether. Our PM should elected based on a popular vote, and our reps should have nothing to do directly with who gets into office, I think people should take a poll on that. All and all I believe that there is no current party that is 'Centrist' enough to keep this country progressing. Martin is weak and we see that so clearly in his presentation and pose so I believe if this issue came up as a political vote, I might just move to the west, at least there they are little more democratic minded.

I believe he is stating that our great Presidante to the South, um...Mr. Bush is the AntiChrist. Its speculations like these that give 'Christians' a harder time than they need. For one the AntiChrist would never declare that 'Jesus, is my saviour', which Bush has, secondly if you actually read the scriptures of the Holy Bible you might find some interesting things that would throw your comments out of tune. 1 - The AntiChrist will not come from the Americas, you can be certain of that. The Bible tells of Roman blood and a revitalized Babylon. 2 - If Christians spent more time trying to live their faith to the best as opposed to ranting on Spititual Outcomes that according the Bible are going to come weather we like it or not, than more people would be will to listen. I believe its the 'END OF THE WORLD' message that throws people off of Christianity, according to the Bible, the character and message of Jesus Christ was LOVE, not commit yourself before the end comes and you rot in burning lake of sulfure. NOW if you are indeed referring to anywhere self of the USA than this whole reply you should ignore.

Hey guys, new to the forum, anyways great stuff going on here. Beyond science, beyond theology, there is a little thing called FAITH and here in lies the problem the government and our beloved 'Constitution' fails. I will not inform you of what I believe for many purposes, only to interject another question or rather statement(s). 1 - Religion should not be associated with JUST Christianity, Islam, or any kind of Eastern Practice for the principle reason that religion weather the State likes it or not is being practice in schools and even the State is behind sposering this Religion of sorts, and I'm not taking about any religion based on the groups I've mentioned. SCIENCE and Enlightenment is the religion of choice my fellows. 2 - Travelling 360 back to the issue of FAITH here is the explination for comment 1: It takes just as much faith to believe in Evolution/Science as it does to believe in God (and I use God because, he is at the head of the world's three most populas Religions). Carbon dating, apes it all irrelivant, you can no more prove the Big Bang than you can prove most other Religious thinking, it all comes down to the fact that you must put your FAITH in what you feel is right. Agnostics,atheism, no such thing, even they believe is something, that fact that there is nothing beyond. It all comes down to faith. See science in itself is harmless, it helps find cures, reach the stars and explore the mysteries of the universe. But like all religions science has had internal conflict, it has latched on to that thing called faith by claiming the impossible without any concrete evidence, see scientist don't like having holes, like all man they need to fill it up with something; in comes the BIG BANG. Now theories aside the issue at hand is prayer in the classroom. If we were to take that right away from anyone and say 'no', should we not say take the BIG BANG theory out as well, cause I know it goes against other peoples beliefs. We must stop trying to blame the so-called 'Right' with trying to put Christianity into schools and we must stop blameing the so-called 'Extremist Left' for trying to crush and form of religious expression (mind you the way some the NDP talk scares me a little). We must learn that there needs to be an equal playing field, as someone said before either we have a curriculum on all beliefs or nothing at all, and for you scientist that includes no theories on how the universe started. Essentially, you would be left with a class that is educated in everything that can be substantially proven (ie. Vital Systems, Cell development, Recorded History and stuff visibly seen around us!) Thanks