The Messenger

Ha! Ha! Ha! Maybe one of you geniuses can show me a graph detailing how many of you have your thumb up your butt! German Reunification Enabled Environmental Nazism Have fun dealing with these people...I'm leaving this planet!

It is very interesting that you make a link between climate change and Covid-19. There is a link, but it is with the global GREEN movement and not the science of climate change. You call people sheeple, and that is an accurate description of some. But what will happen when other people refuse to go along with all the societal changes that those in the GREEN movement and those politicians willing to go along with their ideas demand? There is now a blue print and a set of policies that can now be followed here in our Western world due to covid-19 and its many variants. In understanding GREEN and their plans, one must be both forward thinking and historical in perspective. And if you are forward thinking, it is now possible to see the tools they will use to control the population. Just a few examples; you don't pay your carbon tax, you will be fined; you don't limit your carbon foot print, your business can be shut down, and various products in stores can also be rationed to lower our carbon emissions As I have stated before in another post... I do not see the Global GREEN Movement as a force for doing good in the world.

Since this topic has somewhat died out... I once again ask the question, "What is GREEN?" And does it pose a real threat to our freedoms here in Canada? I read this today in the Guardian... German Green MP calls for ban on new urban single-family houses | Germany | The Guardian How long before we see polices like this here in Canada?

I know exactly where you are going with that post. Your post actually acknowledges my worries that Climate Change or GREEN, as I prefer that term, is a Trojan Horse. Many people like me are worried that some people are using this issue to achieve unachievable political goals that they would never be allowed to accomplish through the democratic process. I remember a few years ago, when President Obama was elected and wanted to go hard on the issue of Climate Change - many commentators, pundits and some scientists sounded the alarm while pointing out that climate activists where like watermelons - GREEN on the outside and Red (Communist) on the inside. It was this type of thinking that got me interested in trying to understand what GREEN is. I have done some research, and I am fairly certain this Trojan Horse is not Marxist in nature. But make no mistake, I view many in the GREEN movement to have extremist characteristics, policies and intentions. Even though it does seem authoritarian in nature like Communism, with their demands for radical structural and systemic changes to how our economy works, it does not match up with any relevant writings about Marx about command and control. In fact, Communism was sold as an ideology about workers and sustainable prosperity for all. Now, as history has shown, it never lived up to its own propaganda. But GREEN seems no different. Green is always portrayed as people friendly, and that it has only the best of intentions and says equality for all will be its guiding light when it comes to who will benefit by their decisions to save the planet. How often have we in this country heard of the need to create good GREEN jobs? Yet, just this week with the canceling of the Keystone XL pipeline thousands of people will be laid off. That means whole families will suffer even more in this pandemic. Some children will even go hungry in the middle of winter. Now, I am not a fan of the Tar Sands in Alberta, but if GREEN means some children in this country must suffer for the greater good, I must say the GREEN Climate Movement is a force for something other than doing good. Going further, I am willing to say that from my limited research on this topic, GREEN encompasses far more than just a carbon tax that will limit the temperature of the planet to a certain degree. Constantly the legacy media and the current government in Ottawa talk of a plastics ban or initiatives to limit the types of energy we can use to heat our homes. All sold under the banner of GREEN. Now, I certainly think something should be done to address the issue of global-warming, but that does not mean I see the need or necessity to reinvent our Canadian society from the ground up as the GREEN Climate Movement (GCM) wants. Which brings me to this topic in this forum as it is entitled -the moral and ethical challenge that man-made Climate Change present to the people of Canada today. In essence, the question I am trying to answer is this… Is GREEN morally and ethically good? With a clear conscience and with what I know at this time, I would have to say NO.

Thanks for responding to my post oops and allowing me to join this very interesting topic about ‘Climate Change.’ In many ways, I agree with your assertion that the ‘climate is always changing.’ I too have always seen the climate as something that is always in flux. We can affect it and so can natural phenomena as well. I have to admit that my first post on this topic was not very clear. I personally have moved on from the debate over whether or not the human race is the driving force behind the statistical rise in temperature that has been recorded over the past two decades or so. The debate for many may not be settled, but for me, I recognize the fact that there is a great push by many to make ‘Climate Change’ the defining issue of our times. Now let me be honest with everyone who reads this post. I personally see the Covid-19 virus as the real threat to humanity. Yet for me, there is still something far more troubling on the horizon when it comes to this issue of ‘Climate Change.’ Since it is easier to talk about one topic at a time, I will focus on the political confusion I have for the moment and leave the topic of religion on the back burner for now. My confusion in regard to the inclusion of ‘Climate Change’ in political discourse and policy, can be summed up with one simple question…. Can anyone tell me what GREEN is? Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he believes in a GREEN future. The Conservative leader Erin O’Toole has been quoted that he also sees the benefits of GREEN. The NDP talk of their own GREEN plans and promote the Leap Manifesto. And of Course there is the GREEN Party of Canada. GREEN is even found in corporate tax filings and academic research…. So what is GREEN?

This is my first post here on this site ever. So ask for patience as I slowly get my feet wet as they say…. I guess I am in the camp that says ‘Climate Change is real.’ But my concern/confusion about this issue comes from both a political and religious standpoint. In particular, I am concerned that this issue is being used as Trojan Horse by those with nefarious Intensions. What these intentions are….I am still trying to work out. Anyone else with these concerns?