Olijam
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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:
Do you guys know something that the rest of the country does not, How far out are we from finding a reliable, climate friendly, cheap energy source....is it 5 years out 10, 15, 20....who is funding this drive for this new tech, certainly not our carbon tax...and IF our government is funding it how much do we invest....you make it sound like it's right around the corner....It's not even close, unless your planning to let us in on the secret...Why should we make our economy suffer, when there is no solution even close ? why cry about the world ending when we are not really making an effort to curb our carbon foot print.....Sure we talk the talk, but we don't do squat, and if you think Justin climate plan is going to bring about a solution, then you might as well be a denier...there is NO benefit to any of his climate plan , shit even David Suzuki says Justin is full of shit....
I guess that the floods in Montreal are not due to poor planning by city planners, poor decisions by home owners to build flood proof yards or homes or move to another location..., poor decisions by governments to use tax dollars year after year to the same home owners that will spend our tax dollars rebuilding only to have to do it all again next spring....This flood in NB this year has finally got government talking about relocation, and building infra structure to prevent flooding....it's only taken 50 years to get that far.... That sir is not climate change that is just bad decisions made year after year hoping for a different result....
Can you provide a source that states Canada is one of the highest polluters on the planet....or even one that places us in the top 10 or 20
It is no secret to anybody that Canada is one of the highest poluting countries in the world.
In 2017 Canada was third most CO2 poluting country per capita (see link below) :
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/10296/economics/top-co2-polluters-highest-per-capita/
We like to play the ostrich, by closing our eyes and pretending things will go away.
Yes because of our relatively small population it ends up being 1.6% of all emissions.
We can go on saying that our preventive actions will not affect anything in the bigger scheme. That is such a egotistical logic. This planet is for everyone, and our actions should start by cleaning our own backyard and setting an example to the rest of the world. We control 30% of the fresh water of the world which make us even more responsible.
The floods in Montréal are recent phenomena, and it is not the municipalities who are causing it. Yes they could have done better planning to alleviate the suffering of the citizen, but it will not solve the root cause of the problem.
I care about the Canadian economy, but in the grander scheme of things I would rather suffer a strong recession for few years, and not see my home, city and country in ruin due to climate change.
Why don't we use the money of the pipeline to invest more in renewable energy. I know that at first it will not bring a return on investment to the economy, but it will prepare us for a better future. Yes, you could call me utopian or idealistic, but the best way to go forward is at least to try reducing oil dependency.
We went from carbon mines as a source of energy to oil. It was a bumpy road, but we were able to do it. We could do the same by going from oil to 100% renewable energy. If it takes 50 years, so be it.
As a Canadian first and a Montrealer second I say no to your pipeline.
Let us open another forum topic about this and leave this one for the `Not voting for Bernier` croud.
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2 hours ago, Argus said:
No one is asking you to invest. The private sector will do that in order to profit off the oil, which will indeed be necessary for decades to come. Reducing reliance is fine, but let's not kid ourselves about how quickly that can happen. We need oil for all kinds of things quite aside from power - like plastic for a start, not to mention the asphalt on your bike path and the pollster in your bike pants. Only half of oil goes into gasoline., and world demand is rising, not falling, led by rapid industralization in places like China, India and Brazil.
Conservatives don't usually deny climate change is real. We instead do a cost benefit analyses of the proposed solution and don't like what we get. The cost is enormous, the benefit insignificant. Canada produces 1.6% of world emissions. Us cutting our emissions by 30%, as is the current goal, is a flea bite. China increased its emissions last year by effectively ALL Canada's emissions. So in a single year they increased their emissions by three times what we hope to reduce ours by over decades. India isn't far behind. The developing world is building hundreds of coal fired power stations.
Weighed against this, anything we do is meaningless.
We are NOT one of the highest polluters except in population terms. That's because we live in a very spread out and fully industrialized country with a very cold temperature. Comparing us on a per capita basis to someplace like Brazil or Taiwan is silly.
1.6% of world emissions for 40 Million inhabitants is significant.
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43 minutes ago, Argus said:
Tough. People don't want freeways near them either. They don't want garbage dumps. They don't want ports or airports. They don't want industry. They don't want all sorts of things that society can't live without. The government of Quebec forces those things on communities all the time. So do municipalities force things on local neighborhoods for the improvement of the city as a whole. NIMBY is not a way to run a city, a province or a country.
The city decides what's best for the city, even if one neighborhood doesn't like it. The province decides what's best for the province, even if one region or municipality is opposed. Pipelines are in Canada's interests. Including Quebec. They contribute to an economy which pumps shitloads of taxes that pay for health care, education and social welfare, just to name a few.
Oh bullshit. The only people who think they can bike to work live downtown near an office. And btw, what do you think clears the snow off your bike lanes and roads? You think your economy can survive without oil? Guess again. You think your cities can function without cars and trucks and buses, without airports and ports? You think you can have your squeaky clean job without the cement factories and refineries and manufacturing facilities? Nope. Sorry. I know the jobs of all the people who work in those industries, or who can't bike to work are supremely unimportant to your selfish self, but they matter.
Argus, I hear you.. We are still reliant on oil, and we will be for some years. However, the idea is to reduce this reliance year after year until we only need renewable energy. Investing billions of dollars for pipeline is not something I want to keep as a legacy to my kids... And yes, the Canadian economy will suffer, but I do not see any choice. You can deny that the climate change is real like conservatives do, but here in Montreal with the floods that are destroying our houses for the third year in a row, we have taken the decision that is the most ecological.
Canada is one of the highest poluters in the world, and we are still arguing if we want to have a pipeline or not. I know made my choice.
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1 hour ago, Argus said:
Half your oil comes from Alberta. It flows through pipelines and into your refineries, and you don't have a single, tiny squeak of protest - as long as it benefits you. But the thought of Alberta sending more than you need, so that it can reach New Brunswick and THEIR refineries, suddenly makes you all indignant and sanctimonious about dirty oil!
Well guess what? You have no right to object. It's not a provincial responsibility. The only reason anyone pays any attention to your hypocritical protests is that we have a spineless federal leader at the moment. A strong federal leader would ram the pipeline through both BC and Quebec. That's what a nation does. It does what's best for the nation, no matter what the whiny little locals have to say.
You want all the benefits of being Canadians and none of the responsibilities. It don't work that way.
I thought we are in a democracy here. We do not want this pipeline to pass through our countryside and cities.
Keep your oil. I would rather bike to work, and have my electricity porduced through renewable hydro, than polute our environment with your oil. Here, I said it..
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11 hours ago, Army Guy said:
I'm not disappointed that your a liberal, most French Canadians are , I agree with your statements that Quebec is just as Canadian as the rest of us and with out them this country would not be what it is today, Don't get me wrong, I don't like the modern Quebec and what it has become..... the wish to separate, the need to preserve the French culture that has been crossing the line of reason for sometime now, this need to become all French is what separates us, we are no longer Canadian French/English that treat each other on a equal footing...
As for Mr Chretien , I'm sorry I find it hard to put him on any list....except the list of men that finally destroyed the military in just 2 terms....But hey your entitled to your opinion...
Amy, aside from Chretien, I think we are in the same page. Even as a French Canadian (and I insist there is a lot like me) I am appalled sometimes by the extreme actions of our provincial governments takes to protect the French entity. Instead by doing this they are destroying it and allienating a lot of people. I, for example, decided to study at an English speaking University because it is very important for me and my business with the rest of Canada. I vote Liberal provincially for the that reason. They are the only Quebec party who are really for a Canadian Quebec.
The problem is on the Federal level, the Conservative party do everything to alienate Quebec (especially in the Harper era). So people like me who wants to stay in Canada feel in a big dilema.
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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:
You had me until you mentioned being a liberal, and of course Jean Chretien, in the same sentence as strong candidate.
I am sorry to disappoint you Amy. Yes I am a long time liberal, but I am not voting for them in the next elections. I have explained why in another Forum topic :
That does not mean that I will vote for the Conservatives either (as well explained in the above forum.)
As for Jean Chretien, you might not like him, but still he was a strong leader. In fact he is rated higher than Harper (Chrétien en 7th and Harper 10th) in the Maclean's Long-term Canadian Prime Minister 2016 list.
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45 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:
Olijam . . . there are many folks that 'believe in Canada' . . .
That said, there are many folks in the west that see that the present form Confederation is not workable anymore. The old thinking that 'the rest of Canada' are just colonies of Ontario & Quebec is the stumbling block. Quebec, for the most part still has the mindset of 1760 . . . . has never contributed to make Canada a Canada for everyone.
Apologies to OftenWrong . . . . I didn't know how to clear your name off of the top of this post.
Nefarious Banana, let us agree to disagree... Most probably the reality lies between what you think and what I think. We tend to easily believe what we have been told by our leaders or the news.
I do not see Quebec treating other provinces as colonies. We, as Quebecers, certainly felt alienated during Harper's era where preferential treatment went to Western provinces... That could be a perception that we had, like the one you are having now against us.
What aggravated this tension between Alberta and Quebec is most probably the pipeline project that most Quebecers do not want (seperatist and federalist combined). You are focused on the benefits that it will bring to Alberta and we are focused on not wanting any risk of spillage polute our beautiful province. We are both fighting for the benefits of our Province. If the roles were reversed we would have taken easily the position of the other.
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6 hours ago, taxme said:
Well, to the anti-abortion movement in Canada, it is still alive and well and is a political issue. I believe that the anti-abortion movement will be having it's yearly anti-abortion demonstration in Ottawa this coming weekend. And I can bet you that the leftist pro-abortion liberal Canadian media will not report on it. Only the alternative media will be reporting on it. This is one of the many reasons as to why I would never vote liberal. Liberalism is a disease.
Of course no Canadian political party will bring the issue of abortion up. That would be a politically incorrect thing to be doing here in politically correct Canada today. All our politicians must be in favor of abortion or as some have called it, the "murdering of an unborn baby". Abortion is just another money making racket for the sick liberal leftist people in our society. Henry "the baby butcher" Morgentaler earned millions from yanking babies out of some woman's womb. Aren't you so lucky that your parents did not decide to have you aborted and have you yanked out by your head of your mother's womb by the likes of scum doctors like butcher Morgentaler. It must be very traumatizing for the baby that has to go thru an abortion and yanked by pieces out of the womb.
And here we are supposed to believe that doctors take an oath to save lives, not take lives. I do not understand as to why some people seem to feel that Canada is all that great when they go about murdering unborn babies. What is even sadder is that even the conservative party goes along with this murdering of babies. It 's hard to even want to vote for conservatives also. Bloody sad indeed.
Well said Taxme... I completely agree with you... I know that we had our differences on another forum topic...
I am sick and tired of seeing this inhumane practice treated so lightly by feminists .. I would dream of the day that abortion will become criminal... of course it is a wishful thinking of my part.
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1 hour ago, GostHacked said:
Quebec sure does not act like they want to be part of Canada or even be called Canadians.
So why was there several attempts at separation?
So why was there several attempts at separation?
The Quebec separatist movement that I personally do not agree with was strong in the 80s and 90s. It was defeated fair and square in the latest provincial election. The PQ is now a pale excuse for a party.
The Quebecers who wanted to seperate felt alienated by the rest of Canada (much like the Albertans are feeling right now). I insist on the word felt, because it was a perception they had that they were badly treated, and the separatist politicians contributed to that perception. The French language issue was used as an excuse to want to seperate. Than you have some people from other provinces who did not help (much like what is happening in forums now, and especially during the Harper era), and accused Québécois of taking advantage of rest of Canada. This exasperated the sepratist and gave them ammunition to rally the troops.
Thank God there are a lot like me who believe in Canada. I love this country from East to West.. Every province have something to offer. Call me utopist, but I think if we put our differences aside and work for Canada we could build something amazing. I do not care if it is the Liberals or the Conservative in power as long as we have somebody who works for all Candians no matter what their language is.
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4 hours ago, taxme said:
Here is another necessary product? They were allowed to export and shove french down our English throats. Celine Dion only cares about kweebec. She despises English Canada.
The British kicked the asses of the french and defeated the french on the Plains of Abraham. Although, thanks to the Anglophone traitor politicians in da attawa, Canadian history has been reversed and now Canadian history tells us that the battle ended up in a draw. No one won the battle.
Pretty much Canada has been run by french men from kweebec for what seems like an eternity. And what have those liberal and socialist french men done that was great for Canada? All I can think about is sweet dik all. What the french did give English Canada was multiculturalism, bilingualism for the rest of Canada, metric, hundreds of billions of our English Canadian tax dollars thrown away on foreign aid to the rest of the world, massive third world immigration, and same sex marriage is what the french gave the rest of English Canada, and because of it, English Canada is in hundreds of billions of dollars in debt. Quebec has never contributed one dam dime to the rest of English Canada, but they sure as hell did take whatever they could suck out of the rest of English Canada. And what is really sad about it all is that our own Anglophone politicians helped them to do and get away with it the bloody bunch of Anglophone batards. The french sure has ripped off Alberta the most big time. If any one needs to separate from Canada, it is Alberta. And who could ever blame them for leaving Canada after what the french have done to that once great province. French controlled Attawa has stolen over, it is said, over 600 billion dollars from Albertans over the past several decades. Disgusting.
I think we diverted enough from the original 'Don't vote for Bernier' topic. I will end it here..
It is obvious that you are angry with us for some perceived things your politicians have planted in your head.
Like I said I am a proud French Canadian, but some of my best friends are from English Canada. I do not have any beef with you. Let us try to work together instead of bickering
To come back to the original topic. I am not going to vote for Bernier, and I do not think he will split the conservative votes as all signs show that it is a landslide win for them. I blame this fiasco on the liberals themselves (I am a longtime Liberal) . If they had a strong candidate in the same category of Jean Chretien representing them, no way somebody like Sheer would win.
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41 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:
Please jog my memory . . . .
What does Quebec actually contribute to the conglomerate we call Canada ?
Someone from Quebec calling our US neighbor 'obnoxious' . . . . . surely you jest.
It contributes with sophistication, class, la belle province & joie de vivre.. Not to forget the history with its oldest North American cities, its bilingual culture.. And... And... wait for it.. of course the most Stanley Cups
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14 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:
Quebec is the first and will be the last bastion of real Canada. As I said to my wife the other day,
"Dear, we may have to learn to speak french!"Thank you!! I couldn't have said it better
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On 4/30/2019 at 12:10 AM, taxme said:
I know what you mean. English Canada has been getting ripped off by Quebec for umpteen decades now, and thanks to our Anglophone politicians, they want Quebec to stay by bribing Quebec with more Anglophone taxes. I would love to see western separation but that is a pipe dream for me as there are too many westerners who seem to love handing plenty of their tax dollars over to Quebec to stay. The western people are truly a bunch of born every minute suckers. Quebec laughs in their faces and they go along with the laugh and laugh along with them and keep taking their insults. But we all should know by now that if Quebec did separate it would become a basket case and they would probably come running to western Canada for aod and assistance and money. French Quebec has done nothing for Canada except to try and suck the life out of Canada and break it all up and turn it into a shit hole country. Just my opinion, of course.
You can wine as much as you want we (Quebecers) are as much Canadian as the other provinces. We are here to stay. In fact we were part of the founders of this country long before Alberta joined.
Without Quebec, Canada will be similar to our obnoxious southern neighbour. Now to think of it, this is probably what you want. If that is the case please join the the States and do not let the door hit you on your way out.
A proud french Canadian
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Thank you all for responding to my original post.
I do not see abortion as a non issue. I have very extreme positions against it. That is probably due to my Christian upbringing. The only cause that I would think justifies abortion is the health risk to the mother. The rest is purely and simply murder. I am tired of it is my body my choice, what about the human being inside you.. And no it is not a lump of cells, it is living.
On the other hand I agree with the liberals on the capital punishment issue. I am against it.
Last but not least, on the feminism issue, it is completely irrelevant. Most western women do not want to associate with it. And I as a man feel literally appalled by the attitude of some people (men or women) who call themselves 3rd wave feminists. We are for human rights, all humans, women, men, kids and embryos.
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One more argument that prevents me from supporting the Conservative party is their general stance against Québec. It is not something hard line documented, and maybe it is not as much the party itself but the supporters of the party. I did not include this in my original post because I wanted to avoid the argument of Quebec identity vs the rest of Canada. I consider myself a proud Canadian.
Now that I was put into position to defend Quebecers on another forum I must say that we suffered a lot under Harper just as much, if not more, than what Alberta is passing though with Trudeau. We had our own strong recession when Alberta was floating on oil money.
In Quebec we perceive the Conservative party as the Albertan party much like our Bloc Québécois who thanks God is dead.
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On 4/17/2019 at 3:17 PM, Robert Greene said:
So what if he calls himself a "conservative". Anyone can call themselves a conservative. What makes him better than Andrew Scheer? Do we really need another French elitist in office? We already have Trudeau. I don't care if he's conservative. I'm sick and tired of the French thinking they know what's best for Canada.
First of all French Canadians and not French... We arrived before the English Canadians, but unfortunately we lost the war (maybe because we are lovers not fighters
) . I am tired of those who want Quebec to separate, whether they are part of the minority Quebec separatist movement, or part of the Western Canada redneck groups. Quebec was among the first Canadian provinces , long before Alberta. If you do not want to be in the same country with us, then please just go to USA. We are proud Canadians.
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I will correct my post..
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Besides ... The liberal party has not change but I have.
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Michael, the change was slow... I might have sounded that I took the decision from one day to the other
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Good point Jacee..
Michael.. people change... convince me otherwise
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For the past 20 years I have given my unequivocal support to the Liberal party, but with time I have started to struggle to reconcile my political beliefs with the party’s ideals, and that has nothing to do with Trudeau’s mess-ups.
In general, people have liberal and progressive views when they are younger, but slowly turn to conservatism later in life. I am growing older, and I am leaving some of my liberal aspirations behind, but I still cannot jump on the conservative bandwagon.
I cannot be liberal anymore because:
1. I am 100% against abortion (it is murder)
2. I cannot support third and fourth wave feminism in the western world (they are irrelevant)
3. I am a tired of political correctness
4. I am against equality of outcome and quotas based on gender and race (while being with equality of opportunity)
I cannot become a conservative because:
1. I do not support the right to bear arms
2. I cannot understand climate change doubters and I feel sorry for them
3. I am opposed to chauvinistic views against immigration
4. I am with the government taxing the rich to provide more services to the less fortunate
Let us discuss this. I am all for free speech.
Don't Vote For Bernier
in Federal Politics in Canada
Posted · Edited by Olijam
Argus, let us agree to disagree.
Climate change deserve a topic on its own. Maybe we could continue our discussion in another forum.