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Far left government??? LOLOL. What country do you think we live in if you think this is a far left government? Is he pushing for a much talked about increase in the minimum wage? NO. Is pushing for more labour laws? No. Is he calling for taxes for those middle class 45,000 - 100,000 to pay their fare share like many on the Canadian left historically have done? Not even close. This PM isn't even close to Canadian far left wing. If you were speaking on a an American political scale, you'd have a point, but we live in Canada, a completely different country, with completely different economics. How far right wing and completely out of touch with most of Canada do you have to be to believe that this government is far left wing? My gosh. This is a centre to centre left government at most in Canadian historical terms. MSM? Really. Is this board Fox News or the Rush Limbaugh show now? Take your far right wing rhetoric someplace else. That's just embarrassing. Most conservatives I know in the east watch CBC are are very happy with it. The far far right wingers. Ya, they miss their Sun News Channel, but there weren't enough of them to keep it alive, were there? Why are so many brainwashed American freaks on these boards lately? Welcome to Canada. Let us know if you ever get here. It's a pretty nice place.

I don't think he paded his CV too much. Telford, the de facto most powerful woman in Canada, says it herself at the beginning of this video how much of a big shot he was. link to video Considering how powerful Telford became, and now is, it's an interesting statement. But you are right, maybe he realized he wasn't going to have much power, so that's why he sent the letter so early saying he would have influence. He realized he wouldn't. so better before the end of the campaign. Which still begs the question: Who pushed this out to the press? I don't believe the Liberals, even the lefties, would jeopardize their own campaign like that. Maybe they wanted it to come out just after the election, and some reporter got the scoop early? Still so many questions with this affair not answered. On the other hand, I think the beginning of your post is on to something. He was going to be squeezed out, so with the letter being leaked, he felt useless and used, and now he couldn't even use the last two years of his life - that would help him so much - on his CV. But to try to take down something that he had worked on for so long, instead of just being quiet and doing the "politically correct" thing and being a good soldier,, he must have been so angry he just exploded. Maybe he felt like a cuckhold leader with Telford there, and had had enough?

It is all just background. The question is still very simple: Why did Gagnier continue the story for a day and a half by speaking out?

No, the video has nothing to with the Jewish state at all, or as I said, nothing to with a conspiracy theory. Most of this is quite real and tangible, even though it is speculative.

I thought of that too, but I think they would have done that a couple days after the campaign a to not cause any problems for the party. Maybe done by the NDP? I have to admit, I know many NDP voters who voted for the Liberals because they were completely pissed off with Mulcair attacking Trudeau, and putting a Conservative majority in play. At the same time this thing was known since March, I even saw it on another forum similar to this one back then. And it was just weird timing it came out in the Canadian Press just before the election. Somebody had an axe to grind, and maybe you're right, maybe he thought someone within the party did it. But even still, you were the co-chair, not some small fry. You simply jump on your sword because this was your campaign. Look at how many seats they won in Quebec, and a lot of that has to do with him, even though he was gone. Or maybe he thought nobody respected him, because Telford was becoming a media star, and starlet? And it was big enough to cause a very big dip in the polls and lose a lot of momentum that wasn't gained back again until Friday. Just by keeping it out there an extra day and a half by denying it, still makes no sense.

Not quite. That's quite a guess, though. Are you really that smart, or were taking a stab in the dark? Or is there a thread already talking about this somewhere,on the net.

Beautifully said. People are just whining about losing their cheques because some were going to the rich. This just makes the far right look bad.

The one thing I never understood about the whole Dan Gagnier affair in the last week in the campaign, is why he went on about it, and actually caused one more day of headlines that could have really hurt the Liberal party, and probably did. You can see it directly in the polls the blip that he caused. And please don't give me far right or far left talking points, as nobody wants to hear them. The end of his story still makes no sense at all. He got found out writing that letter. Maybe he told the party or maybe he didn't, that didn't matter when it came out. He became a liability to the incredible momentum that was happening, so it was time to dive on the sword. Even an amatuer political hack knows that. What I don't understand is why he didn't? Why did he say anything at all to try to defend himself? You were about to go down as the Quebec co-chair in one of the great comebacks is the history of Canadian politics, heck maybe of almost any political campaign, considering you were in third place and an after thought with just six week to go. Why did he say anything at all? It just makes no sense. Why not just shut up and do what you were hired to do? Does he have that much of an ego that he would jeopardize his own campaign that he spent two years to help build? Or is there something more. Did he think he was now going to be in the inner circle, and he felt squeezed out by Telford who was becoming the power inside the Liberal party, and a hero to many Liberals across the country? Was he jealous of all the accolades she was getting and that he wasn't? I've read up a lot on this, but nobody has answered that question. Why would he jeopardize the baby he helped build, and become a pariah in his own party. Let alone possibly turn the campaign because he could not shut up? Anybody with any answers?

Sadly the far right doesn't have too much to attack Trudeau on right now, so they attack this. The National Post actually has two of its top three headline stories on this. I guess they've decided that they'll try and be the new Sun News Channel, and beat off The Rebel before it gets too big. Looks like it's back to being the old National "neocon" Post again.

Let's just say there was a politician you completely were disgusted by, and went against everything morally you were brought up with as a Canadian. We'll just call him Ronald Grump for the sake of argument. And let's say he said something in the news lately that been very controversial but reminded you of something you saw yourself. I was working in the States at the time of 9/11, and was recording the news so I could watch it when I got home for lunch. When I realized what was happening, I began to record the news and have several tapes of the next 36 hours. On one of those tapes, I have exactly what The Ronald is talking about. Even though it's not exactly what he says it is, it does kinda exonerate him. But it does make him look a silly, too. The problem is there's an even worse thing on it that might be just as bad because it would be new info that nobody else has written about that might make a certain minority group look bad. The report may be complete speculation on the channel, but it's still there in middle of what The Ronald was talking about and is pretty awful. I think, though, I can understand why it's not out there now. It's the actual channel that looks completely awful in this. They're ridiculous mistakes also explain why The Ronald would make a mistake on all the facts. I'm sure the channel is trying to cover it up more than The Ronald is trying to find it. Anybody else notice that nobody's asked the Ronald what station he was watching? I'm not a conspiracy guy, am pretty level headed, and I have the tape on my desk right now. I thought for sure this would come out by now, and maybe it will as people are just waiting for the right timing. But I'm not really sure what to do about it. It does make The Ronald look kinda foolish, but also adds the sickening hate that he's trying to promote. What would you do?

Mulroney had his nanny money, and so does Trudeau. I would like my PM to concentrate on all the promises he's made, rather than worrying about who's babysitting his kids tonight. It's an expense that quite honestly, is more than fully justified and needed.