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23 hours ago, cybercoma said:
Probably.
We have a thread about liberalism being a mental disorder, so I'm going to assume it's fair game to cite scientific research that claims Trump's supporters are probably too dumb to know that they're dumb.
Psychology Today ran an article from Bobby Azarian, cognitive neuroscientist, that explored the cognition issues behind Trump's unwavering support despite his "shocking behaviour." The article describes four dimensions to the unwavering partisan support he receives, despite undermining conservative values. Those dimensions are 1) The Dunning-Kruger Effect, 2) Hypersensitivity to Threat, 3) Terror Management Theory, and 4) High Attentional Engagement.
So let's outline the argument here. David Dunning himself wrote in Politico:In other words, people can literally be too dumb to realize that they're dumb. Their heads are filled with misinformation, such that they're lacking the requisite knowledge and information to even realize that they don't know what they don't know. Confirmation bias exacerbates this situation because they hear lies from Trump that confirm their misinformed beliefs. Further still, this is why there is push back against experts and the media because they present information that conflicts with the misinformed worldview that Trump's supporters have bought into wholesale. The Dunning-Kruger Effect also holds that people who've had their heads filled with misinformation won't even look to be informed in the first place because they already believe they have the knowledge they need. This is why no amount of fact checking or attempt to educate Trump's supporters works. You need a practical example of these effects at work to take it out of the abstract and theoretical? Look at the number of Republicans, evangelical Christians, and others that are traditionally GOP voters who have abandoned Trump and spoken out against him. Even members of the GOP itself can't convince Trump's supporters. Billionaire conservative NYC mayor, Michael Bloomberg can't even convince Trump's supporters that he's awful.
Recent studies have shown that conservatives have a stronger psychological reaction to perceived threats (see the Psychology Today article for links to the studies). Donald Trump plays on this by fear mongering. Ever notice how no matter what question Trump is asked, he brings it back to ISIS or what a disaster America is? Ever notice that his entire message is that the "Empire" is on the verge of collapse and only he can save it? He's feeding on this well-established phenomena that conservatives have a more visceral reaction to what they perceive as threats, bypassing any logic and reason. This is a cognitive reaction. It is not based on rational thought. So that's why Donald Trump continues to stir up fears about Mexican and Muslim immigrants, literally calling destitute Syrian Refugees "Trojans." This rhetoric sparks a reaction in the conservative brain.
This unthinking, visceral hypersensitivity to threat is magnified by the concept of "terror management theory." This theory holds that we are all acutely aware of our mortality and that under the surface we constantly deal with an anxiety about it. Reminders about people's mortality are consistently shown to push people to the political right, increasing nationalism, as well as military interventionism. Exaggerated claims about immigrants in America, when the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by native-born white Americans, just fuels this, which is amplified by the tendency of the conservative mind to amplify threats.
Finally, Trump is a showman. He's an entertainer and celebrity. He's able to hold people's attention longer than Hillary Clinton. Even those who don't support Trump are tuning in to find out what outrageous thing he will say next. When you're a Trump supporter, you've tuned in to have your misinformed worldview and confirmation biases affirmed.
Now this certainly doesn't describe all of Trump's supporters. However, it's certainly clear that the most staunch defenders of Trump are probably too dumb to realize they're dumb. Sadly, no amount of fact checking or independent expert opinion will convince them otherwise. They're unfortunately suffering from cognitive limitations that they can't overcome, unless eventually the cognitive dissonance becomes so jarring that they snap out of it. For a lot of Christian conservatives, that snapping point was a video with Trump bragging about sexually assaulting women. They finally realized what kind of man Trump is. There's hope yet.
Ohh! So THIS is why so many Liberals support Trudeau.
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Do you have the remotest idea of why Iran is so anti-American? What I'm posting is crap to you because I'm guessing you're entirely clueless.
Duh OK Mr. Einstein....I gess yu er the smartist.
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Maybe one day your thoughts will develop to the point where you can provide insight as to why you think the way you do.
Over 60 years of experience living among them!
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I'll believe it when I see it.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/polls.html
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The kid will graduate from university before the case ever hits the courts.
With parents like that he would probably be a drug addicted gang banger before the case ever hit the courts.
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Really, who the hell would vote for that tw@t?
Roughly half of American voters.
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Then the US began meddling in their affairs.
Yep it was those pesky Americans that are putting women in their place over in Iran. Do you ever reflect back on the crap you post?
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After looking at some of the posts throughout this site last night from those on the left I agree....Liberalism IS a mental disorder!
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Reducing deficits is not paying down debt.
Back to millennials, the thread is exhausted because the OP was just another "kids today" intergenerational gripe session. Time and time again, youth grow up and contribute to society. Then half of them get old and lazy, and whine about how hard they had it in the good old days.
What an ignorant statement!
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I said years before the last election the PCs need to get their act together. Step 1 was to find a new leader, but the brain trust said we will stick with Tim. I believe a better government is possible, but we need real leaders to drive it. I was disappointed with Horwath, the previous time around she was quite articulate and positive; unfortunately last time she picked up the PC whining handbook and copied them so she lost my vote.
Anyone still defending these crooks are idiots.
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Exactly. He has every right to act like a 12-year-old because people who aren't running for president make fun of him!
Yeah, people who aren't running for president but are a bunch of leftwingers acting like 12 year olds. SMH
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Except he has complained that 50% of Americans pay no taxes and how this is bad for the national debt. Of course, that 50% he was referring to is mostly poor people and that's precisely who he intended to criticize with those comments. Meanwhile, he wants to implement further tax cuts for the rich when elected.
So it's not the tax minimization strategy in itself that is so offensive in this case. It's the blazing hypocrisy.
Hahha a leftwinger calling a rightwinger a hypocrite! You can't make this up hahaha!
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Personally I found it more offensive when he mocked Clinton for getting pneumonia and almost fainting, complete with him staggering on stage as if he were fainting.
Yeah, because nobody is mocking Trump at all.
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And then they will complain the loudest about how they can't afford it and the government will give them some sort of energy credit allowance, and voila, wealth redistribution, the marxists never went away, they just started calling themselves enviromentalists, those of us who don't rely upon the government for our living, or for whom the government of the day isn't 'good for' will pay, we always do.
And they will probably blame either Harper or Harris.
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Given that "Hillary is sleazy" is apparently the only reason you guys can provide as to why people should vote for Trump, isn't "Trump is MORE sleazy" all the response necessary?
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I'm not telling people that they should vote for Trump. I'm just pointing out what I see as hypocrisy from the people who are suggesting to vote for Hillary. If people want the same old, same old....cycle of promises, broken promises, corruption, war, etc. then knock yourselves out and vote for the status quo.
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I know lots of people lose their marbles whenever anyone says something bad about HRC (and given the alternative I can see why), but there are some differences between Trump's infidelities and Bill Clinton's.
First, Trump has overlapped his relationships, but he's nowhere near Bill Clinton's level of sleaze. Even though he said chauvinistic things while in relationships, we don't have reports of multiple affairs spanning years on end. Clinton's affairs were much more abusive in nature.
Second, although HRC wasn't the one cheating, she went out of her way to discredit the women that Bill cheated with and smear them publically. That's a very difficult act to defend and frankly makes me sick to think of a woman doing that to another woman.
Third, this is the woman who will be the first woman president, the iconic 'role model'. While I think we can all sympathize with a woman who was cheated on, when a woman puts up with a cheating husband for years on end our sympathy diminishes as she looks more and more responsible for her own predicament. To me, only a very unfortunate character would allow someone else to humiliate them to such extremes.
She's still better than Trump in spite of it all, but let's not downplay Bill's infidelities for anything less than what they were.
Once again....the argument...."well your guy is MORE sleazy than our guy". What a joke!
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For me, open borders are a religious matter: Love thy neighbour as thyself.
My own private property aside, who am I to decide who comes to Canada? Helping them financially might be another matter, but as long as a person is self-sufficient, let him have at her. If you have money to support yourself and can find a job, welcome, brother. Welcome sister.
Yeah right "who am I to decide", but then "as long as a person is self sufficient blah blah.....have money blah, blah." Which is it?
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I would bet we are carbon neutral or close to it, with the forest in this country. Most people fly what do you see from up there.
You may be on to something there PIK
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We're back to your nebulous values again.
You can get 5% of people to do almost anything.
Thanks for making Argus' point.
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Apparently you've never had to have a degree verified. Sealed records from an institution are required for verification. Your paper copy is not enough depending on the position. Medical doctors and engineers literally have people's lives on the line. An easily forgeable piece of paper you get at an encaenia is usually not good enough. Especially with foreign credentials where curriculum has to be verified as well.
Nope....never had to have a degree verified as I have been successful enough to be quite happy....without a degree!!! For the most part, they have to re-qualify under Canadian standards anyway. We once had a Mexican that worked for us, but could not legally stamp a drawing....even tho' he was a qualified Mexican engineer (that didn't lose his degree in a leveled building). That was back in '93....maybe things have changed since then.
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People with degrees from recognized universities but it's impossible to get records from your school when it's been levelled.
So their degrees are all kept at the school? Nobody has one hanging in their office?
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It comes down to Clinton having more experience in Government. Trump has none. Running a business requires a completely different skill-set than running a country.
What, again, was Justin Trudeau's political experience at the time he got elected compared to Harper's or Mulcair's?
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and restored funding later, it was like a 2-year blip in lowered transfer payments
Yes, after the downloading created all kinds of problems for the provinces, they did try to "address" some of the issues, they did not "restore" funding, and they also hiked taxes right after.
Sound familiar....like Wynne pushing the envelope until the damage is done and then they "try" to do something....not to fix the problem mind you....only to try and save their sorry asses from getting kicked to the curb (which eventually did happen, and hopefully will happen to Wynne too).
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Everyone had their evils, but I really respect Chretien and Martin for paying down the debt as they did. Trudeau's fiscal policy has been a disaster and so was Harper's.
You mean when they downloaded just about everything on the provinces?
Name the next CPC and NDP leaders
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I think it should be Bozo the Clown!