CAIR-Can helps terrorists

[ScottSA]

This is one of the so-called 'moderate' Islamic organizations operating legally in Canada. Some of the leftists hereabouts can perhaps be forgiven for their blind support of all things Islam, because they haven't been kicked yet in the naughty bits on a personal level by it, but there's no excuse for these people to try to drag down our national security.

CAIR-CAN Calls on Government to Scrap No-Fly List

(Ottawa, Canada - June 18, 2007) The Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-CAN) today called upon the government to scrap the Passenger Protect Program, Canada's no-fly list. With direction from CSIS and the RCMP, the undisclosed Transport Canada list will include names that are considered too dangerous to fly on domestic and international flights...

http://www.caircan.ca/itn_more.php?id=2914_0_2_0_C

[guyser]

, but there's no excuse for these people to try to drag down our national security.

Boy my day was dour until this popped up. You are writing comedy now? Cuz thats funny.

[Mad_Michael]

Agreed. Depending upon US intelligence services to provide Canadian airline security is absurd.

US intelligence failed to spot 9/11 and failed with every prediction regarding Iraq. Their 'no-fly-list' is a joke.

Can we get British intelligence to look after our airline security instead? Their track record is not nearly so bad.

[guyser]

Can we get British intelligence to look after our airline security instead? Their track record is not nearly so bad.

How about El Al 's instead.

[ScottSA]

, but there's no excuse for these people to try to drag down our national security.

Boy my day was dour until this popped up. You are writing comedy now? Cuz thats funny.

Do tell. Or is this simply a case in point of blind support for all things Islamic?

[guyser]

Do tell. Or is this simply a case in point of blind support for all things Islamic?

Dragging down our national security.....you dont see the humour in that? Wow.....and then there was this one and I laughed again...."blind support for all things Islamic"....

How one jumps from something funny to blind support is well ...funny?

[madmax]

This is one of the so-called 'moderate' Islamic organizations operating legally in Canada. Some of the leftists hereabouts can perhaps be forgiven for their blind support of all things Islam, because they haven't been kicked yet in the naughty bits on a personal level by it, but there's no excuse for these people to try to drag down our national security.

For those of us in the Center, I don't think anyone takes your comments seriously.

[ScottSA]

This is one of the so-called 'moderate' Islamic organizations operating legally in Canada. Some of the leftists hereabouts can perhaps be forgiven for their blind support of all things Islam, because they haven't been kicked yet in the naughty bits on a personal level by it, but there's no excuse for these people to try to drag down our national security.

For those of us in the Center, I don't think anyone takes your comments seriously.

But you're not in the center.

[Topaz]

This no-fly list may be need after hearing about so called attacks that may happen against Canada. I'm wondering though how many of those terrorist are already Canadian or US citizens?? In the US, Ted Kennedy's name is on the list and the only thing I can think why, is that ,if you have been arrested, which Ted was for drunk drivng, you name will appear on the list. I, for one, do not have to worry for I don't have any desire to fly anywhere, so it doesn't affect me.

[bush_cheney2004]

Agreed. Depending upon US intelligence services to provide Canadian airline security is absurd.

US intelligence failed to spot 9/11 and failed with every prediction regarding Iraq. Their 'no-fly-list' is a joke.

Can we get British intelligence to look after our airline security instead? Their track record is not nearly so bad.

I guess counting on Canadian intelligence just won't do...just ask Maher Arar (still counting his money).

[geoffrey]

Mmm... I'm sure Osama would use his passport... It's quite nearly the dumbest thing in the world to assume that someone doing something questionable would use their real name...

It's for a false sense of security, and an unjustified infringement on liberty. If someone is that dangerous that you take away their ability to reasonably travel or even leave the country, take them into a courtroom and charge them.

This half-guilty business is really becoming overly ridiculous.

[jdobbin]

This is one of the so-called 'moderate' Islamic organizations operating legally in Canada. Some of the leftists hereabouts can perhaps be forgiven for their blind support of all things Islam, because they haven't been kicked yet in the naughty bits on a personal level by it, but there's no excuse for these people to try to drag down our national security.

It is quite the clever no fly list that includes Tory John Williams on it and NDPer Pat Martin.

[madmax]

This is one of the so-called 'moderate' Islamic organizations operating legally in Canada. Some of the leftists hereabouts can perhaps be forgiven for their blind support of all things Islam, because they haven't been kicked yet in the naughty bits on a personal level by it, but there's no excuse for these people to try to drag down our national security.

For those of us in the Center, I don't think anyone takes your comments seriously.

But you're not in the center.

I don't take your comments above seriously either. And I don't think you are on the right. I think people on the right, cringe when you post, but there are some separatists that I find are often agreeing with you.

[madmax]

Mmm... I'm sure Osama would use his passport... It's quite nearly the dumbest thing in the world to assume that someone doing something questionable would use their real name...

It's for a false sense of security, and an unjustified infringement on liberty. If someone is that dangerous that you take away their ability to reasonably travel or even leave the country, take them into a courtroom and charge them.

This half-guilty business is really becoming overly ridiculous.

Your probably not on the right either.

At least you know something about economics. This legal stuff appears out of your league. .

[madmax]

It is quite the clever no fly list that includes Tory John Williams on it and NDPer Pat Martin.

How did John Williams end up on it? I did hear it took him 6 weeks to fix. IS this true?

I can understand why Pat Martin was on it. Actually I can't, why were these guys Blacklisted?

[jdobbin]

How did John Williams end up on it? I did hear it took him 6 weeks to fix. IS this true?

I can understand why Pat Martin was on it. Actually I can't, why were these guys Blacklisted?

Similar names to people on the list as I understood it.

Wouldn't be poetic justice if someone with the name of say... Scott was removed from a flight and didn't know why, didn't know how he could his name off the list even if he was not guilty of anything other than being overzealous? I'm sure he would be proud that keeping him off all flights was helping Canada's security.

[ScottSA]

This is one of the so-called 'moderate' Islamic organizations operating legally in Canada. Some of the leftists hereabouts can perhaps be forgiven for their blind support of all things Islam, because they haven't been kicked yet in the naughty bits on a personal level by it, but there's no excuse for these people to try to drag down our national security.

For those of us in the Center, I don't think anyone takes your comments seriously.

But you're not in the center.

I don't take your comments above seriously either. And I don't think you are on the right. I think people on the right, cringe when you post, but there are some separatists that I find are often agreeing with you.

Why don't you spend a little less time worrying about me and a bit more worrying about formulating credible arguments? I have come to understand, from being on the web for a few years, that there is a certain type of poster who runs around slagging other posters rather than attempting to argue with them. You clearly take me seriously enough to jump into a thread and throw mud at me, but you just as clearly hesitate to engage in a debate with me. That speaks volumes.

[geoffrey]

Your probably not on the right either.

At least you know something about economics. This legal stuff appears out of your league. .

Huh??

It's not legalness that I have a problem with... I'm sure it would pass a Charter challenge (unless of course, one could prove it was essientially impossible to leave Canada).

It's common sense. It will never do absolutely anything! Ever! Terrorists don't use their real names.

The no fly list is definitely quite close to the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. And that's saying alot.

Good thing I have an uncommon surname (and first name spelling)... I shouldn't be hassled for someone else's problem.

Even better, I kind of want to apply to the 'Office of Reconsideration.' I mean, can you get more newspeak?! What the hell is that?

Why doesn't a judge 'consider' these people in the first place before they need reconsideration?? Does the government not comprehend the cost to the economy of having people missing flights because they share a name with a questionable person (though not quesitonable enough to actually do anything about)?!?

I'm really really really unimpressed with this display of absolute stupidity, and I think I might be giving it too much justice calling it that.

[ScottSA]

The no-fly list does nothing, but can you imagine the howls of outrage from the left when the bad guys do manage to let off a big firecracker if there were no list? We already know the left howls about the alleged lack of protection prior to 911, so the minor howls now about the uselessness of the list are nothing compared to the major howls about doing nothing if there were no list.

[geoffrey]

Why don't we invest in actual police and into intelligence services instead of banning innocent people from flying?

At least you recognize the ridiculousness of a no-fly-list.

[guyser]

The no-fly list does nothing, but can you imagine.

John Kerry? Is that you?

You start this thread with .........

but there's no excuse for these people to try to drag down our national security.

....and then state above that the "no fly list does nothing". So it does not drag down our security?

Since it does nothing, then you are in fact agreeing with CAIR-CAN. I am confused.

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[Live From China]

If we have to have a ridiculous no-fly list, why aren't people informed when they go to buy a ticket rather than at the counter after they have purchased their ticket?

[Peter F]

The no-fly list does nothing, but can you imagine the howls of outrage from the left when the bad guys do manage to let off a big firecracker if there were no list? We already know the left howls about the alleged lack of protection prior to 911, so the minor howls now about the uselessness of the list are nothing compared to the major howls about doing nothing if there were no list.

Is the list to stop howling or is it to stop terrorists hijacking planes? Is the state doing something entirely pointless in order to stop howling or is it doing something rational to stop hijacking?

Personally, I think the list had its anti-hijacking point when originally established since the airport security apparatus was not yet in place. But things have since changed and now there is absolutely no point to a no-fly list.

So now it appears as the list is only there to stop howling....except its not working very well for that either is it?

[geoffrey]

If we have to have a ridiculous no-fly list, why aren't people informed when they go to buy a ticket rather than at the counter after they have purchased their ticket?

Good point. What if someone lost a business deal or something over an unjustified banning? Are we all willing to pick up the tab?

I'm not.

[madmax]

Your probably not on the right either.

At least you know something about economics. This legal stuff appears out of your league. .

Huh??

It's not legalness that I have a problem with... I'm sure it would pass a Charter challenge (unless of course, one could prove it was essientially impossible to leave Canada).

It's common sense. It will never do absolutely anything! Ever! Terrorists don't use their real names.

Just kidding with you. I am in agreement with your current and prior posts.

Don't let common sense influence you too much