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Well, I just thought it was time for a poll. Since the Ontario Parliment has packed it in early, I guess the election is on. I can't figure out why these characters couldn't work for another 3 weeks. Maybe this is a shortfall of 4 years terms. DOH!!! Maybe that could have been a poll.

I don't believe there are alot of people "Living" in Ontario who post regularly in these forums so please state that you voted but post that you are not residing in Ontario.

Got that Geoffrey..... Since I see you warming up to John Tory. :)

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I'm not residing in Ontario and I support Tory. I still think he's a bit of a goof (met him before politics was his thing), but personality isn't something I base my vote on. He's the real deal of Conservatives, what they all should be.

Good on him. If I were back in Ontario, I'd vote for him.

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They got this poll "will you vote for the Liberal" in a call-in talk show (where in you give your vote just by calling a certain number). Approx 1,500 callers voted NO, compared to only approx 500 callers saying YES.

All those who phoned in to chat with the host were all upset about the pay-increase and the extra 3 weeks off. The guy representing the Confederation of Tax Payers was a guest and he was upset! Talking bout McGuinty's litany of broken promises, he says the grandfather of all his boo-boos was the tax increase.

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I don't think I will be able to say for sure until I start to get a idea of who the local candidates for the Liberals and NDP are. This is the first time around for Lanark-Frontenac-Lennox & Addington at the Provincial level, and unlike the first time at the Federal level where there were two incumbents, this time there are no incumbents at the old Liberal candidate is running in the other half of the old riding, Prince-Edward-Hastings, I think.

Supposedely this riding is going to be one of the higher profile battles in the province. I think the Tory candidate is going to be the Lanark Landowners Association candidate, or something like that. Or an ex-hockey player... I'm a little confused on that point. The Liberal nomination is sometime around now, may of even happened already. I kind of doubt we'll see a big NDP candidate though, not out here. That is nothing against the candidates themselves, but it is hard for the NDP to win a rural riding around here I think.

Oh, here it is... Randy Hillier for the PCs.

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I think it is time to elect another Conservative government.

Mc.Guinty blatantly lied to get elected and broke virtually almost every promise.

I don't think Mc.Guinty accomplished much and would not trust this lying politician on his word regarding anything as he is a master of deception, as well as being a typical socialistic Liberal who supports federal Liberal type social initiatives.

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I think it is time to elect another Conservative government.

So far the majority position.

Mc.Guinty blatantly lied to get elected and broke virtually almost every promise.

Yes, I do believe that McGuinty knew that there was no possible way to implement all those promises, so each time he added another one, he had to know he was purposely misleading the electorate.

I don't think Mc.Guinty accomplished much and would not trust this lying politician on his word regarding anything as he is a master of deception, as well as being a typical socialistic Liberal who supports federal Liberal type social initiatives.

I haven't seen Liberals engaged in socialism for many many years, short of using socialist talk to get elected. You have stated that McGuinty is a master of deception. I have been reading alot on John Tory lately, and whether you agree with him or not, he is talking about social issues, like an old red tory. I do know many in these forums do not like that approach towards conservatism.

I have to admit, I made an error with the poll,

What I should have added as a choice after "OTHER" was:

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

or as some have told me in the short form: SFA.

I have to admit, I find little that jumps out at me as to what the Liberals have done in Ontario.

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Well let see what MCGuinty DIDN'T do.... didn't call the police in when the unions went on strike, didn't make a mess and someone never got killed with the First Nations! I rather have the Libs or NDP over the PC's any day, Harris was enough to last at least a generation!! People see what Harper doing in Ottawa and they say no way to the Cons!!

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I didn't realise that Dalton had ANYTHING that could be called an accomplishment.

Did he do anything except raise taxes and/or break promises?

How about that Sharia Law crap? The OHIP tax that doesn't go to OHIP?

I'm very hard pressed to name even a single 'accomplishment' of Dalton's 4 years that isn't negative.

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Pay raise aside, McGuingty did what he had to do after the Harris/Eves experiment. The province is in better standing fiscally post McGuinty. I have no issues voting for him again.

How can you believe this fiscal position? Ontario has been running a deficit for over a decade now - with only a small tax increase and many spending increases added on top of the massive deficit that Harris left the province with. I've seen NOTHING that indicates an improvement in the fiscal position of Ontario since. A $3 billion plus fiscal deficit the year he was sworn in - isn't going to disappear without a major tax increase or a reduction in spending. I've only seen one small tax increase and run-of-the-mill spending increases since then.

Looking over the recent track record, we have nothing but lies from Premiers about the fiscal postion of Ontario (save Bob Rae, the only honest one apparently).

Peterson lied about the Province's fiscal position - claimed the budget was balanced trying to get re-elected, but in reality, it was a deficit.

Rae actually admitted the deficit that he inherited and passed on to the next guy.

Harris lied about the Province's fiscal position - claimed the budget was balanced when it was deficit (and giving tax cuts on top of this).

Dalton has lied about so much that any assertion that the Province is not in a deficit position I'd take with a big grain of salt.

$50 says that when the a government gets sworn in after the election, we will find that Ontario is not only running a deficit, but has been doing so consistently for four years under Dalton.

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Personally I think Dalton is a complete and utter failure as the provinces Premier.

The really unfortunate thing is I was leaning toward voting for John Tory until he released plans that he wanted to start using public funds for private religious schools. I was like WTF? Public funding for religious scools? Tory lost my vote right then and there.

Now im left scratching my head... wondering who on earth to vote for.

The Ontario Libs are liars and ineffective.

The Ontario Cons are coming up with come pretty wacky and frankly unwise policies.

The Ontario NDP are well... lets just say their the NDP and leave it at that.

Democracy is in a pretty shit state of affairs if this is the best we can come up with in a province with 10 million people.

Im not sure if im even going to bother voting this time... there is no-one that I can really support.

sigh...

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Personally I think Dalton is a complete and utter failure as the provinces Premier.

The really unfortunate thing is I was leaning toward voting for John Tory until he released plans that he wanted to start using public funds for private religious schools. I was like WTF? Public funding for religious scools? Tory lost my vote right then and there.

Now im left scratching my head... wondering who on earth to vote for.

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Problem with the religious funding bit, is that as we know the RC schools are funded and the venerable institution the U.N. has decreed it discriminatory. I don't agree with funding religious schools, but until the problem of funding RC schools is solved, I think we'll always have this coming up. It's pretty hard to say no to other religions.

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I would much rather the RC system be merged with the public system then see more religion in schools. I have a real problem when education and religion are brought under the same roof. I don't think it is in the students nor societies best interests.

If people want to learn about religion go to your local churh/mosque ect. They usually have these guys that know all about whatever diety you choose to beleive in and are more then willing to teach you about them.

Personally I think that the status quo with a public system & a RC system to be well... just plain wasteful. Think how much cash could be saved on the streamlining of the administration by merging the systems togeather alone.

Im not trying to hijack this topic... however i just think that there should be one public school system. Everyone pays into it. If you choose to send your kid to a private school fine... but you will still pay into the public system, no matter what. Seems the most fair to me... besides most of the kids I knew that went to private schools left them being closed minded asshats.

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I would much rather the RC system be merged with the public system then see more religion in schools.

Here here! The Catholic School system is an anachronism that dates back to the days when there were two dominant cultures in the province: the Protestants and the Catholics. That time has long passed. Time to move on. One public school system. If you want to teach your kid religion, then either do it in the home or do it in your place of worship.

Separation of church and state. Why are we still having this problem?

I have yet to see John Tory do anything but fling dung at Dalton McGuinty. Even a monkey can do that. When are we going to hear what John Tory stands for? Does he really stand for anything?

Remember that John Tory ran for mayor of Toronto and in the middle of the election announced that he would only stay in municipal pilitics for a short time and then move on. Sure enough, he lost and he moved on. Another Belinda. The Conservatives seem to have a talent for finding these people.

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Here here! The Catholic School system is an anachronism that dates back to the days when there were two dominant cultures in the province: the Protestants and the Catholics. That time has long passed.

You realise that public funding of the Catholic Separate School system only began in the early 1980's right?

It was a parting gift from Bill Davis in his last year as Premier of Ontario.

And the original existence of a separate Catholic School board is guarenteed by the 1867 BNA act.

Separation of church and state. Why are we still having this problem?

Perhaps because in Canada there is no law requiring a separation of Church and State?

I have yet to see John Tory do anything but fling dung at Dalton McGuinty. Even a monkey can do that.

So what? That at least is a worthy pursuit - far superior to anything Dalton has been up to over the last four years.

When are we going to hear what John Tory stands for? Does he really stand for anything?

Yeah. He's not Dalton. That is something notably attractive.

Remember that John Tory ran for mayor of Toronto and in the middle of the election announced that he would only stay in municipal pilitics for a short time and then move on. Sure enough, he lost and he moved on. Another Belinda. The Conservatives seem to have a talent for finding these people.

I sure wish more of our politicans would promise to serve for a short time then leave. That would be such a refreshing change from the present system.

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Yeah. He's not Dalton. That is something notably attractive.

Not good enough... we need someone who will really make Ontario a better place for people to live. Mike Harris & Eves really buggered this province up. I don't think Dalton has done a good job helping Ontario recover from the previous cons & their botch attempt to 'deregulate' everything... Ontario's infrastructure needs to be reinvested in... the schools need to be fixed... the universities need to be fixed... Hell UofG has over 250 million dollars worth of building maintinance that it needs to get done however there is just no money for it. Sure the Universities can get money for their buildings.... however money is only being given out for NEW buildings while the older ones fall into disrepair. Urban sprawl needs to be brought under control... its getting rediculous.

I must say good for the Libs today... the new recycling fee for large electronic items... LCD TV's, computers ect was actually an excellent idea and showed real initiative. (high tech electronic gizmos contain mainy toxic materials that should and can be recovered and prevented from leeching into landfills, however it costs cash...) I can think of no fairer way to cover these recycling costs then to charge a person the fee up front when the item is paid for. Some asshats may have been calling it a tax... which in someways it is but lets be honest... if you have the cash to buy the expensive toys... you have the cash to make sure that they are treated properly once your done playing with them.

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The biggest turn offs by the Ontario Liberals for me were:

- grants to immigrant groups without proper applications and paper trail (possible preference to Liberal friendly immigrant groups)

- lottogate (crooked retailers cashing in on loose management of the lotto system)

- failure to close coal fired plants (so much for Liberal concern for the environment)

- flick off campaign (edging on profanity to urge our youth to turn off lights)

- law and order, specifically gun violence (let's ban what is already banned)

With that list of screw ups fresh in my mind, it's difficult to laud any accomplishments. Are there any?

My father used to say "Time to bring in a different crook to pick our pockets." Geez I miss that man. :mellow:

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Pay raise aside, McGuingty did what he had to do after the Harris/Eves experiment. The province is in better standing fiscally post McGuinty. I have no issues voting for him again.

He did what he had to do by raising the taxes so they could get a pay raise and more time off?

Has there been any sort of significant improvement to health care since the tax hike... I mean premiums?

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Personally I think Dalton is a complete and utter failure as the provinces Premier.

The really unfortunate thing is I was leaning toward voting for John Tory until he released plans that he wanted to start using public funds for private religious schools. I was like WTF? Public funding for religious scools? Tory lost my vote right then and there.

Now im left scratching my head... wondering who on earth to vote for.

The Ontario Libs are liars and ineffective.

The Ontario Cons are coming up with come pretty wacky and frankly unwise policies.

The Ontario NDP are well... lets just say their the NDP and leave it at that.

Democracy is in a pretty shit state of affairs if this is the best we can come up with in a province with 10 million people.

Im not sure if im even going to bother voting this time... there is no-one that I can really support.

sigh...

You're best voting for an independant, or fringe party to express your displeasure than not voting at all. Not voting is conceding to the system and allowing them to walk all over you.

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I'm going to wait to hear the party platforms before I make up my mind who to vote for.

First off the mark, McGuinty promises to spend $17B for transit in Ontario.

Next?

$16.9 Billion of which will go to Toronto, no doubt. Meanwhile, the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor was built in the 20s and Windsor has spent a considerable amount of money having Sam Schwartz develop a real workable plan for the city and the border. I highly doubt Ontario would even allocate $1 Billion to the project (which would significantly improve cross-border trade).

$17 Billion, ha! Why not just promise A Gazillion Dollars to healthcare too? It's not like you can believe that it will happen, they might as well make up imaginary numbers.

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I'm going to wait to hear the party platforms before I make up my mind who to vote for.

First off the mark, McGuinty promises to spend $17B for transit in Ontario.

Next?

$16.9 Billion of which will go to Toronto, no doubt. Meanwhile, the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor was built in the 20s and Windsor has spent a considerable amount of money having Sam Schwartz develop a real workable plan for the city and the border. I highly doubt Ontario would even allocate $1 Billion to the project (which would significantly improve cross-border trade).

$17 Billion, ha! Why not just promise A Gazillion Dollars to healthcare too? It's not like you can believe that it will happen, they might as well make up imaginary numbers.

$17 billion for transit in Ontario? Like in who's lifetime?

And you can be sure if it comes from Queen's Park, the majority of that funding (if it exists) will go to everyone in the province equally - just like every other Provincial funding program.

Queen's Park runs on the same principle as Ottawa - Toronto is a milch cow for subsidizing the suburbs, the hinterlands and anything else the politicans favour.

Btw, for anyone who is even remotely curious, the Toronto Transit Commission receives the lowest amount of public subsidy for a public transit service ON THE PLANET. The TTC runs almost entirely off the farebox. No other tranist service on the planet even comes close to this. The majority of public transit services receive the majority of their funding from tax revenues.

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