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I've used physical evidence & fact. Your beliefs are based on rumours and your physics analysis proves you to be a fool.
You have not posted one shread of evidence that explains the motives of the people who you think planned the 9/11 attacks. So don't waste your time claiming you use 'evidence & fact' - everyone knows that the only thing that guides you is your imaginary buddies that show up when you stop taking your meds.
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The Bush admin. couldn't get Iraq right, couldn't get Katrina right, couldn't get ANYTHING right (other than lying their country to war). So how in the heck could they possibly be competent enough to orchestrate such a grand epic plan.

Also, the holocaust never happened and the moon landing took place in a hollywood studio.

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Moonlight Graham:So how in the heck could they possibly be competent enough to orchestrate such a grand epic plan.

Katrina went perfectly for them, so is Iraq. The plan for Iraq is to break it up into three and this is outlined in Clash Of Civilizations.

The Bush administration is accomplishing its goals very well, distracting everyone from the North American Union and preventing them from wondering why all the detention centers are being built while destroying the middle east by making it divided. The US corporations (Standard Oil) now own the oil production of Iraq.

Weapon & oil companies are getting richer, weapons manufacterers are getting richer, other corportaions are buying up public assets at discount rates while the politicians are setting them up to take your rights away. The corporations are writing the laws and the spineless politicians are signing them without even reading the legislation. These people are not fools, not by a long shot. They just want you to think that way so you don't start putting the pieces of the puzzle togather. We will soon have a police state and will live as a sub species while a very few <<1 % enjoy maximizing their own human potential and owning the earth.

These guys that wrote Brave New World & 1984 were closely connected to this globalist movement. Aldous Huxley had a brother Jean who was in the UN as a eugenics proponent. Brave New World didn't come from Huxleys imagination.

People are afraid of terrorists and they will get their police state in place before enough people figure it all out and start voting responsibly.

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Riverwind:You have not posted one shread of evidence that explains the motives of the people who you think planned the 9/11 attacks. So don't waste your time claiming you use 'evidence & fact' - everyone knows that the only thing that guides you is your imaginary buddies that show up when you stop taking your meds.

Molten steel doesn't get created from burning fuel

Buildings do not collapse straight down into their own footprint at near free fall speed without a control mechanism (your idiotic physics explanations aside)

Concrete doesn't get converted to dust during a pancaked collapse.

Hot spots underground are not the result of fuel fires

Thermite evidence is not commonly found in building collapses

Cheney didn't give the stand down order as shown in congressional testimony for nothing.

NIST was a white wash because it was a coverup and doesn't actually explain the building collapses for a very good reason - the only possible explanation is controlled demolition. It only reports fact up to the point

immediately before the collapse initiation. Evidence doesn't get destroyed or covered up normally because its illegal

Normal investigations don't take 441 days to begin after only a few hundred people die. Questions don't go on unanswered like this.

Now, name one shred of evidence that supports your belief that Osama did it.

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Moonlight Graham:Also, the holocaust never happened and the moon landing took place in a hollywood studio.

The holocaust definetly happened but I agree that the moon landing was probably a hollywood movie just for the simple reason that it would allow them to steal 40 billion and produce the movie for a only a few million + cost of earth orbit for a few days - all other evidence aside.

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The Bush admin. couldn't get Iraq right, couldn't get Katrina right, couldn't get ANYTHING right (other than lying their country to war). So how in the heck could they possibly be competent enough to orchestrate such a grand epic plan.

Also, the holocaust never happened and the moon landing took place in a hollywood studio.

I don't know if this is sarcasm, or if you're a serious poster or a troll. I have some problems with this post.

  1. Everyone keeps forgetting how bloodthirsty Saddam was and that the war with that part of the world was not our choice;
  2. As for Katrina disaster relief in the US is mostly a state and local function, the same way education and resources are provincial responsibilities in Canada;
  3. As for Holocaust denial, don't get me started.

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jbg:As for Katrina disaster relief in the US is mostly a state and local function, the same way education and resources are provincial responsibilities in Canada

No way. Thats not even close to what happened in Katrina. State and local authorities were restricted from the area. FEMA came in, stopped food & aid from getting in. The idea was to create a mini hell on earth for an experiment. Its as bad as 911.

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Molten steel doesn't get created from burning fuel
When a fire a buried underground for days heat can be trapped. Furthermore, there was lots of aluminium in the structure which could melt.
Buildings do not collapse straight down into their own footprint at near free fall speed without a control mechanism
I shown it is possible. Virtually every structural engineer in the world agrees that it is possible too.
Concrete doesn't get converted to dust during a pancaked collapse.
You have no way to know how much of the concrete was converted dust. Rules of thumb that do not applied to every building are not proof.
Hot spots underground are not the result of fuel fires
No. They are the result of fires ignited by the jet fuel.
Thermite evidence is not commonly found in building collapses
There is no conclusive evidence of thermite.
Cheney didn't give the stand down order as shown in congressional testimony for nothing.
The idea that Cheney gave a stand down order is a fiction you created - there is absolutely no evidence for this.
doesn't actually explain the building collapses
Neither do you. You admit you have no idea how the explosives could have been wired to produce the effects observed. Hell, you don't have any idea what explosives were used. The fantasy you have concocted has so many holes that you must be an idiot for believing in it.
Now, name one shred of evidence that supports your belief that Osama did it.
He admitted it. There were earlier attacks. Arabic voices on the cockpit data recorder. Air phone calls from the planes reporting Arab hijackers. All of this points to the logical conclusion. OTOH - you have zero evidence that any other than Osama did it,
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Riverwind:When a fire a buried underground for days heat can be trapped. Furthermore, there was lots of aluminium in the structure which could melt.

No. Heat is required to melt steel.

Riverwind:I shown it is possible. Virtually every structural engineer in the world agrees that it is possible too.

No, you haven't anyone in high school can see your analysis is idiotic. Engineers tell us fuel melted the steel too. Nothing new about lying engineers when it comes to 911.

Riverwind:You have no way to know how much of the concrete was converted dust. Rules of thumb that do not applied to every building are not proof.

Virtually all concrete was converted to dust. There were no big chunks of concrete. A thin layer of dust was everywhere. This is not at all typical of a pancake collapse which has very little dust.

Riverwind:The idea that Cheney gave a stand down order is a fiction you created - there is absolutely no evidence for this.

It was congressional testimony and a matter of public record. You can find this.

Riverwind:Neither do you. You admit you have no idea how the explosives could have been wired to produce the effects observed. Hell, you don't have any idea what explosives were used. The fantasy you have concocted has so many holes that you must be an idiot for believing in it.

Don't need to - explosives are the only way of getting a building completely demolished without tipping it over. The NIST report does not say explosive could not have done it, it just hypothesises that the building pancaked down or whatever one of their 5 explanations you choose. The purpose of NIST was to create confusion, not answers.

The Osama confession tape was faked. Anyone can see this by watching it.

You are a gate keeper and will argue any nonsense required. If Bush saya the moon was made of cheese you would be on here using your "physics" to explain how the moon must be made of cheese.

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The NIST report was directed by a self admitted propoganda expert Philip Zelikow and not a structural engineer for a good reason.

Kean who also directed the Oklahoma Murrah bombing investigation didn't mention or explain the other bombs that didn't go off and that were found later inside the Ok city wreckage.

I've see the FBI tapes of the wtc'93 bombing ON TV . The FBI engineered that.

It just couldn't be any more rediculous.

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Riverwind:Consider a table with four legs that is supporting a 1000kg mass. Assume the following:

1) The gravitation constant is 10 (i.e. 1000kg requires a 10000N force to keep it stable)

2) Each leg can support 4000N - if the force exceeds this it will collapse.

3) Each leg is attached to the ground and the table top is rigid.

In a normal situation each leg will have a 2500N force acting on it - well within its capabilities with room to spare.

Assume a catastrophic event occurs that exposes the legs to fire that gradually weakens two of the legs. Assume the fire does not act on each leg equally. Eventually, one leg weakens to the point where it cannot support the 2500N force and collapses.

At this point the weight will shift instantaneously to the other 3 legs because the structure is rigid and attached to the ground. This means that each leg will now have 3333N of force acting on it. Still within the tolerances of the undamaged legs which means the structure should remain standing

This is what I mean by "purely idiotic"

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Insert we don't give a flying f@#k about your crazy conspiracy theories here, since it is absolutely futile to argue with someone when they can only counter with the same BS argument over and over again.[NIST was in on it, civil engineers were in on it, the FDNY and NYPD were in on it]

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It's a strange and disturbing world you live in, assuming that even a part of what you say is true,

how do cope,knowing that the world is comprised of secret cabals and world wide threats that threaten to control and or destroy our way of life or even our existence ? If this is true ,HOW DO YOU DO IT?

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If this is true ,HOW DO YOU DO IT?

Its not an easy thing to take and to deal with. I was depressed for a long time but I can face reality and the reality is that when you look at the collapse of wtc1 & wtc2 you see giant hunks of building being projected upward and outward. Only explosives can do that so it is fact that 911 was an inside job.

All that stuff about eugenics and how the use our identities as collateral for loans and how we don't have any rights and how much things are going to get worse - its hard to take. I had a partner from a law firm explain it all to me. The lawyer thought it was great - laughing about the prison camps and stuff. The conversation with the lawyer started with the lawyer telling me that things haven't really changed in 1000 years and that lawyers can do whatever they want to people. Thats a self admitted luciferian/ nihilist laughing about what they are going to do to us. The other people in the public restaurant had a hard time dealing with it. I didn't believe it all at first but then I started to learn about it all.

You guys have no idea what you are in for or how many people you see in a day that actually know about it.

FDNY and NYPD were in on it

They were not in on it, lots of firefighters think it was an inside job and that there were explosions before the buildings collapsed - its a matter of public record. The government tried to stop the firefighter aural history tapes from being released but couldn't. Since then they have been gagged but the info is out there for those that want to find it. The movie Terrorstorm had piles of firefighters describing the explosions, squibs, etc that they saw before the collapse. They hate Gulliani because Gulliani only let them recover the gold from the wreckage, after all the gold was found they took the remainder of the building and dumped it with all those dead firefighters still in there - bones, etc. They wouldn't let the firefighetrs recover their dead - they just threw them in the garbage.

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Insert we don't give a flying f@#k about your crazy conspiracy theories here, since it is absolutely futile to argue with someone when they can only counter with the same BS argument over and over again

Over 100 posts and all your content is that crap. You have not added a single piece of credibility to your side of the arguement. You have not a shred of evidence that shows that Bin Laden or AlQuaeda actually did this.

You think its some kind of great ideology and that the wise ones follow without really understanding it because its an ideology. You forget that all tyrannical governments have been ideological ones- Hitler, Stalin, TsTung - all ideological. You don't even know what the current ideologies are.

Name one piece of evidence that ties 911 with AlQuaeda. Just one.

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CanadianBlue: Insert we don't give a flying f@#k about your crazy conspiracy theories here, since it is absolutely futile to argue with someone when they can only counter with the same BS argument over and over again

Over 100 posts and all your content is that crap. You have not added a single piece of credibility to your side of the arguement. You have not a shred of evidence that shows that Bin Laden or AlQuaeda actually did this.

You think its some kind of great ideology and that the wise ones follow without really understanding it because its an ideology. You forget that all tyrannical governments have been ideological ones- Hitler, Stalin, TsTung - all ideological. You don't even know what the current ideologies are.

Name one piece of evidence that ties 911 with AlQuaeda. Just one. (don't use the fake Bin Laden tapes because you know I can provide a link that shows the guy in the video beside the real Bin Laden)

Here is what the firefighters think of your heros Firefighers Blast Guilliani (video) - Big News - wrecks Gulliani's run for president.

What do you guys think of Riverwinds physics ? He is an engineer you know 8-) Any of you guys study physics in high school ? (see where I quoted him on his analysis of the table with the missing leg - can you see where he is making idiotic statements ?) Sometimes it helps to look at the company you keep to judge your arguements.

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It's a strange and disturbing world you live in, assuming that even a part of what you say is true,

how do cope,knowing that the world is comprised of secret cabals and world wide threats...

What's incredible is that PN has managed to stretch it out for 100+ pages...lol.

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All these posts and you guys have not submitted a single shred of evidence that suggests AlQuaeda did 911. All you have are insults and innuendos. The fact is that there is absolutely no evidence of AlQuaeda involvement in 911. You don't even have any circumstantial evidence or a motive. All of the government 'evidence' has been shown to be fake or non existent.

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Polynewbie what does your proof consist of, other than posting some youtube videos and links to an Alex Jones site. If some college dropout is all the "credible evidence" you have, then I'll just be laughing. Perhaps inserting the mocking laugh or something along those lines.

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