Figleaf Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 I'm hard pressed to choose just one. Quote
BC_chick Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 This poll doesn't work. My choice is still at zero. Technical difficulties I suppose. BTW, it was: Harper uses state function as a platform to slag the Liberals. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
BC_chick Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 I'm hard pressed to choose just one. That's what I was thinking! I think my answer would have been an all-encompassing "using Bush-style dirty politics instead of runnnin on his own merit" which would have included the ads, the state functions, as well as.... Being the first government to launch attack ads outside of campaign times, and Branding all opposition as traitors to the country. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
geoffrey Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 Branding all opposition as traitors to the country. Just like Harper uses Bush style politics? Or is that slam an ok "branding opposition as traitors to the country"?? Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Canadian Blue Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 Okay so let me get this straight, all the people who support Harper are evil American loving, gun toting, bible thumping hick's. But all Liberal's are peacenik dope smoking hippie friends of the Taliban, who happen to be traitors. Does that sound about right? Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
BC_chick Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 Branding all opposition as traitors to the country. Just like Harper uses Bush style politics? Or is that slam an ok "branding opposition as traitors to the country"?? I was talking beyond the usual mud-slinging between two ideologies.... The kind of "soft on terror" "soft on crime" "enemies of democracy" garbage which is a page taken word-for-word from GW's manifesto. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
geoffrey Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 There are many people in Canada that are soft on crime and oblivious to the terror threat. We see many in the opposition parites that are going to dismantle a former Liberal plan to give authorities the ability to stop terrorist attacks from happening. We see those opposed to mandatory minimums or three strikes your out style policies. I've never heard Harper call anyone an enemy of democracy, maybe some terrorists overseas, but it's not like he labels the Liberals as an enemy of democracy. You've got to see the double standard your throwing out here... condemning the Tories for saying people are soft on crime while the Liberals (and you as well) label the Tories as GWB clones and following in the footsteps of George Bush. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Catchme Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 I'm hard pressed to choose just one. That's what I was thinking! I think my answer would have been an all-encompassing "using Bush-style dirty politics instead of runnnin on his own merit" which would have included the ads, the state functions, as well as.... Being the first government to launch attack ads outside of campaign times, and Branding all opposition as traitors to the country. Oh, I so hear you both! It was hard to choose. Great questions figleaf! Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
na85 Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 My personal choice wasn't up there, so I went with the second-most-irksome: Buying Quebec. My first choice would have been the way the Tories basically screwed Canada's robotics industry back in December. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/12/14/mars-rover.html Quote
margrace Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 I would pick all of the above. I still say that Harper proves everyday what a hypocrite he is. Quote
White Doors Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 criticism from you margrace can only be taken as praise. same goes with you catchme. As long as he is making people as ideologically loonie as you folks - then he must be doing everything right. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
margrace Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 criticism from you margrace can only be taken as praise.same goes with you catchme. As long as he is making people as ideologically loonie as you folks - then he must be doing everything right. Funny speak for yourself aye Quote
Figleaf Posted February 21, 2007 Author Report Posted February 21, 2007 Okay so let me get this straight, all the people who support Harper are evil American loving, gun toting, bible thumping hick's. But all Liberal's are peacenik dope smoking hippie friends of the Taliban, who happen to be traitors. Does that sound about right? Where are you getting all that from this thread so far? This is about assessing the government of the day, placing it's missteps in context with eachother. It's doesn't need to be acrimonious. Quote
Figleaf Posted February 21, 2007 Author Report Posted February 21, 2007 ... give authorities the ability to stop terrorist attacks from happening. Do you need to use doublespeak? No-one can give the authorities the super-ability to stop terrorist attacks, so call this what it is. The ability for authorities to pre-emptively detain suspects, and compel witness testimony in investigations. We see those opposed to mandatory minimums or three strikes your out style policies. Everyone sane should be concerned about three strikes style policies. Cluttering the prisons by mechanistically applying formulaic laws will not help anything. Quote
BC_chick Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 You've got to see the double standard your throwing out here... condemning the Tories for saying people are soft on crime while the Liberals (and you as well) label the Tories as GWB clones and following in the footsteps of George Bush. Actually, no. Liberals and Conservatives may not see eye to eye on every single domestic issue, but by no means does that mean Liberals are "soft" on crime. However, the smear-campaign style adopted by Stephen Harper could have very well been written by Carl Rove himself. From Bush's attacks on Ann Rice about "teaching kids about homosexuality" and being "soft" on crime which won him his Governorship, to the overtly unsubstantiated attacks against John Kerry during the 2004 election campaign about Kerry's inability to lead the war on "terror"..... both Harper and Bush are demagogues who use fear instead of their own platforms to win elections. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Canadian Blue Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 Where are you getting all that from this thread so far? This is about assessing the government of the day, placing it's missteps in context with eachother. It's doesn't need to be acrimonious. No, I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy in those on the ultra left, and those on the ultra right, who never seem to question anything their party does, because they believe their party is always right. That's the image that the two sides try to portray each other as. As well since this topic was only made to become a Harper bashfest, honestly that was the only point. I felt I might as well add my 0.02 cents. However, the smear-campaign style adopted by Stephen Harper could have very well been written by Carl Rove himself. From Bush's attacks on Ann Rice about "teaching kids about homosexuality" and being "soft" on crime which won him his Governorship, to the overtly unsubstantiated attacks against John Kerry during the 2004 election campaign about Kerry's inability to lead the war on "terror"..... both Harper and Bush are demagogues who use fear instead of their own platforms to win elections. I haven't seen this massive smear campaign, beyond the attack ads saying Dion is not a fit leader. Which I will admit are a low blow. But how many topics have been created saying Harper want's to turn us into a dominionist state, with very little evidence beyond's a few left wing rants. I've never heard Harper call anyone an enemy of democracy, maybe some terrorists overseas, but it's not like he labels the Liberals as an enemy of democracy. You and me both Geoffrey. The double standard shown by some people is great. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Argus Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 I'm hard pressed to choose just one. And you being such a centrist and all... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 Branding all opposition as traitors to the country. Just like Harper uses Bush style politics? Or is that slam an ok "branding opposition as traitors to the country"?? I was talking beyond the usual mud-slinging between two ideologies.... The kind of "soft on terror" "soft on crime" "enemies of democracy" garbage which is a page taken word-for-word from GW's manifesto. The opposition IS soft on terror and IS soft on crime. What's wrong with pointing that out? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Martin Chriton Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 You've got to see the double standard your throwing out here... condemning the Tories for saying people are soft on crime while the Liberals (and you as well) label the Tories as GWB clones and following in the footsteps of George Bush. Actually, no. Liberals and Conservatives may not see eye to eye on every single domestic issue, but by no means does that mean Liberals are "soft" on crime. However, the smear-campaign style adopted by Stephen Harper could have very well been written by Carl Rove himself. From Bush's attacks on Ann Rice about "teaching kids about homosexuality" and being "soft" on crime which won him his Governorship, to the overtly unsubstantiated attacks against John Kerry during the 2004 election campaign about Kerry's inability to lead the war on "terror"..... both Harper and Bush are demagogues who use fear instead of their own platforms to win elections. No one in this country uses fear to win elections as much as the left. Remember the ads from last election with soldiers in the street? Or the famous hidden agenda myth? Martin's *entire* campaign last election was on how "scary" Harper is. Quote
Figleaf Posted February 21, 2007 Author Report Posted February 21, 2007 I'm hard pressed to choose just one. And you being such a centrist and all... You wouldn't expect a centrist to buy into right wing policies, would you? Quote
geoffrey Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 You wouldn't expect a centrist to buy into right wing policies, would you? Actually none of the options you posted were a right wing policy. Besides the helmet hair I guess. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
White Doors Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 It fills my little heart with joy that the far left just can't stand it that Harper is the PM of Canada. Well, get used to it ladies! hahahahahaha!!! Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
madmax Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 Let no one claim that I fix a question or create a bias in my polls again. I am going to vote in this one, just for the fun of it. Quote
madmax Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 No one in this country uses fear to win elections as much as the left.Remember the ads from last election with soldiers in the street? Or the famous hidden agenda myth? Martin's *entire* campaign last election was on how "scary" Harper is. You mean the Liberals? Quote
Figleaf Posted February 22, 2007 Author Report Posted February 22, 2007 You wouldn't expect a centrist to buy into right wing policies, would you? Actually none of the options you posted were a right wing policy. Besides the helmet hair I guess. Actually, 1, 8, 11, and possibly 10 are rightwing flavored. Quote
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