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11 hours ago, August1991 said:

To make my thoughts clear:

1. I favour a small tax rate on all CO2 emissions set by the federal government - with tax revenues returned to each province based on taxes paid.

2. I also favour the GST. 

3. But I understand why Harper cut the GST, and why Chretien promised to cut the GST but didn't.

1. That is weird? Why take taxes from we the people and give them back to we the people? Why steal those taxes in the first place? Wasn't that carbon tax implemented to go towards whatever to help get rid of CO2 in the air? What am I not getting here from what you said? 

2. I favor no GST. The GST was just another new tax created to steal away more money away from we the people to be wasted on the many socialist/communist programs and agendas that we the people never asked for. The GST could be gone tomorrow if our dear leaders wanted to do so. All it would take is for our dear leaders to stop blowing our tax dollars where they are not needed to be blown and that do not do anything to help make Canada great once again. Instead we have some silly people in Canada that seems to feel that what Canadians need is to pay more taxes. :unsure:

3. what I do not understand is why Harper did not get rid of the GST. After all, when he was the president of the National Citizens coalition many decades ago, he said that he believed in less taxes being paid to the government. Sure Harper dropped it by two cents, which was okay, but why did he not dump the GST altogether? Chretien was a lieberal, and lieberals tell you the wonderful things that they are going to do but when they take power, and after gaining power, they suddenly forget that they said that. Instead we get more increases in taxes from the lieberals. If a political party ran on a platform and promise of more freedom, less government, and less taxes, they should and I am pretty sure would win an election. But they do not. All they appear to want to do is to create more new taxes, more government, and less freedom. But hey. What more can be said. 

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11 hours ago, August1991 said:

Well, Army Guy.... How did my mother's first husband defeat the Nazis?

But you make two good points.

If people like Suzuki and Gore and Trudeau Jnr were serious about this threat, they would not fly around the world spewing CO2. (Churchill may have flown, but he never did anything to support Nazis.)

Second, a single soldier doesn't defeat the enemy. 

He was part of a much larger effort that took the fight to the NAZI's.....This carbon tax does nothing of the sort, there is NO plan to use any of this money on reducing carbon footprints across industry, or on the individual level.....All the money collected is given to back into  general revenues....the excess could be used on anything really...except reducing carbon foot prints...

Let me ask you is 4.5 cents going to deter you from driving, use public transport more, is it going to drive you to trade in your veh and buy something more fuel efficient....Here in NB 40 % of all vehs are pick up trucks, big ass V-8's , gas guzzling V-8 … the most stolen vehs happen to be the same thing, big ass trucks, why is that, supply and demand thats why...

Take a look at Cigarettes, they have reached almost 20,00 a pack...and still people are buying them, granted sales have dropped, but it took a tax of over 1500% over cost to produce to get these results...4.5% cents is just another day at the pumps... besides according to Justin they are going to give back more than what is collected, so gas goes up 20 % we'll be getting back 25 % it's a win win for tax payers or so says Justin...who has never lied to us before right....

It's an empty tax that does nothing for climate change....or perhaps you can explain it to me how is this going to save the planet before the magic self destruct date....I mean climate Barbie can not explain it....maybe someone here could....   

 

 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

He was part of a much larger effort that took the fight to the NAZI's.....This carbon tax does nothing of the sort, there is NO plan to use any of this money on reducing carbon footprints across industry, or on the individual level.....All the money collected is given to back into  general revenues....the excess could be used on anything really...except reducing carbon foot prints...

Let me ask you is 4.5 cents going to deter you from driving, use public transport more, is it going to drive you to trade in your veh and buy something more fuel efficient....Here in NB 40 % of all vehs are pick up trucks, big ass V-8's , gas guzzling V-8 … the most stolen vehs happen to be the same thing, big ass trucks, why is that, supply and demand thats why...

Take a look at Cigarettes, they have reached almost 20,00 a pack...and still people are buying them, granted sales have dropped, but it took a tax of over 1500% over cost to produce to get these results...4.5% cents is just another day at the pumps... besides according to Justin they are going to give back more than what is collected, so gas goes up 20 % we'll be getting back 25 % it's a win win for tax payers or so says Justin...who has never lied to us before right....

It's an empty tax that does nothing for climate change....or perhaps you can explain it to me how is this going to save the planet before the magic self destruct date....I mean climate Barbie can not explain it....maybe someone here could....   

 

 

 

 

One will never be able to figure out as to how the liberal mind really works. Their tiny brain is truly an exercise in futility to try and ever figure it out. It's so tiny that it is pretty much running on empty. How it keeps functioning is beyond me. A Rubics cube would be easier to figure out than a liberal brain. With the cube, one can eventually figure it out. There is no hope for trying to figure out a liberal brain. 

This prime mistake of Canada is so clueless about how to really run a country. He certainly knows how to ruin a country though. But those fools in the Maritimes will probably be voting for their enemy once again and try to put him back in the PM's seat in October. They are suckers for punishment. They keep thinking that the liberal party cares about them. Nothing could be further from the truth. The liberals have done nothing for the Maritimes, and never will, except to help keep them poor, unemployed, and on welfare handouts from the rest of Canada.

I always believed that the Maritimes should join America. They could not be any worse off. They may even get bigger and better. Hey, you never know, eh? 

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On 4/16/2019 at 4:48 PM, Army Guy said:

He was part of a much larger effort that took the fight to the NAZI's.....

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My view of his choice too.

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But Army Guy, I think you miss my point - as well, as the point of Tolstoi.

One soldier does not defeat an enemy.

I prefer the term: break the camel's back.

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On 4/16/2019 at 4:04 PM, taxme said:

What insurance policy are you talking about? Please explain this one to me. 

A CO2 tax is an insurance policy in two ways:

1. We can regulate CO2 reduction, or we can impose a 10 cent per CO2 kg tax. If this turns into a scam, which is easier to change - if this whole idea is wrong? I reckon that cutting taxes is easier than removing regulations.

2. Maybe it's true - human CO2 emissions are raising the temperature of the planet. Whatever. I'd been willing to pay a small price now to see if these guys are correct.

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12 hours ago, August1991 said:

A CO2 tax is an insurance policy in two ways:

1. We can regulate CO2 reduction, or we can impose a 10 cent per CO2 kg tax. If this turns into a scam, which is easier to change - if this whole idea is wrong? I reckon that cutting taxes is easier than removing regulations.

2. Maybe it's true - human CO2 emissions are raising the temperature of the planet. Whatever. I'd been willing to pay a small price now to see if these guys are correct.

1. It is not Canada that needs to cut back on anything all that much anymore. Canadians have and are doing enough already. Now it is time to go after countries like China and India and other developing countries to start doing their dam fair share. They are the major polluters in the world, not Canada. The carbon tax is just another tax and will go towards nothing in fighting this so called CO2 bull chit here in Canada. All that tax collected will just go into general revenue where it will all be blown on more stupid leftist liberal socialist policies. Wake up, fella. Stop listening to the government. Politicians are great at lying all lie and really great at keep stealing your money to push their useless programs and agendas that will enslave you even more. 

2. I am not willing to pay anymore taxes on lies. Besides, do you really think that if the earth's temperature goes up by two degrees by the end of this century that the earth will be doomed and all life on earth will vanish? Get real. If it temperature goes up by two degrees in the Arctic, it will not make any change to the environment one bit. So what if the temperature is 20 degrees below zero today in the Arctic, and tomorrow it will go up to 18 below zero tomorrow do you honestly believe that this will be a disaster and an end for life on earth? Two degrees is nothing to worry about. Only people who let their politicians and the media scaremonger them to death are the fools. Those people can be made to believe any kind of bull chit. Just saying. 

 

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7 hours ago, taxme said:

1. It is not Canada that needs to cut back on anything all that much anymore. Canadians have and are doing enough already. Now it is time to go after countries like China and India and other developing countries to start doing their dam fair share. They are the major polluters in the world, not Canada. The carbon tax is just another tax and will go towards nothing in fighting this so called CO2 bull chit here in Canada. All that tax collected will just go into general revenue where it will all be blown on more stupid leftist liberal socialist policies. Wake up, fella. Stop listening to the government. Politicians are great at lying all lie and really great at keep stealing your money to push their useless programs and agendas that will enslave you even more. 

2. I am not willing to pay anymore taxes on lies. Besides, do you really think that if the earth's temperature goes up by two degrees by the end of this century that the earth will be doomed and all life on earth will vanish? Get real. If it temperature goes up by two degrees in the Arctic, it will not make any change to the environment one bit. So what if the temperature is 20 degrees below zero today in the Arctic, and tomorrow it will go up to 18 below zero tomorrow do you honestly believe that this will be a disaster and an end for life on earth? Two degrees is nothing to worry about. Only people who let their politicians and the media scaremonger them to death are the fools. Those people can be made to believe any kind of bull chit. Just saying. 

 

I appreciate your enthusiasm, and if we can keep the global annual average temperature rise to a maximum of 2 degrees, we’re good.  All countries, including China and India, must do their part.  However, the Arctic temperatures are rising higher than 2 degrees.  We have to fight climate change, an existential threat.  

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13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I appreciate your enthusiasm, and if we can keep the global annual average temperature rise to a maximum of 2 degrees, we’re good.  All countries, including China and India, must do their part.  However, the Arctic temperatures are rising higher than 2 degrees.  We have to fight climate change, an existential threat.  

Maybe this global warming has nothing to do with man/woman living on it but more to do with natural global weather occurrences. On planet earth, nothing remains the same. Nature has done more damage to the environment than people will have ever done to the earth. From volcanoes, earthquakes, floods, fires, hurricanes and other natural causing disasters the earth and life on it still exists today and survived it all. So what if the temperature are rising in the Arctic? There is nothing that man/woman can do about it.

So, a few islands in the Pacific may end up going under water, but that will should not be anything to worry about. Islands have disappeared under the water for centuries. Those people living on those islands will either have to learn to adapt to the situation handed to them or leave. They will have to adapt and accept what is happening which humans have been doing since time began. I do not loose a minutes sleep over climate change. Only paranoid people do. A carbon tax will not do a thing to stop anything. It just makes some people rich and taxpayer's poorer. :)

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On 4/16/2019 at 6:44 PM, taxme said:

One will never be able to figure out as to how the liberal mind really works. Their tiny brain is truly an exercise in futility to try and ever figure it out. It's so tiny that it is pretty much running on empty. How it keeps functioning is beyond me. A Rubics cube would be easier to figure out than a liberal brain. With the cube, one can eventually figure it out. There is no hope for trying to figure out a liberal brain. 

This prime mistake of Canada is so clueless about how to really run a country. He certainly knows how to ruin a country though. But those fools in the Maritimes will probably be voting for their enemy once again and try to put him back in the PM's seat in October. They are suckers for punishment. They keep thinking that the liberal party cares about them. Nothing could be further from the truth. The liberals have done nothing for the Maritimes, and never will, except to help keep them poor, unemployed, and on welfare handouts from the rest of Canada.

I always believed that the Maritimes should join America. They could not be any worse off. They may even get bigger and better. Hey, you never know, eh? 

The Maritimes is not going red ONCE again, NB has already a blue provincial government , with PEI likely to go green, Justin has very little support here in the Maritimes...

PS I believe we should pack the whole lot you BC peace niks and tree huggers,  on to the island and push you out to sea....I know we would be better off, might even mange to get a pipe line in there.....but then again opinions are like assholes everyone got one ….. 

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Canadians have become so stupid. Just a bunch of sheep bending over for the enviro crowd. We are carrying the load and cutting our own throats so trudeau and his minions will look good to the UN. The only problem it is the american big oil that is running the enviros ,just to destroy our oil sector while growing thiers.

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17 hours ago, Army Guy said:

The Maritimes is not going red ONCE again, NB has already a blue provincial government , with PEI likely to go green, Justin has very little support here in the Maritimes...

PS I believe we should pack the whole lot you BC peace niks and tree huggers,  on to the island and push you out to sea....I know we would be better off, might even mange to get a pipe line in there.....but then again opinions are like assholes everyone got one ….. 

Hey, I am all for getting rid of those pathetic bunch of terrorist peace niks and tree huggers here in BC. I would like to put them on an island out in the middle of the sea and then put a huge hole in it and watch it sink. Those terrorist environ"mental"ists that we have here in BC have created more job losses and more carbon taxes. The Green party would destroy jobs and the economy if they ever became the government in BC. Thank gawd that will never happen. Three of those greenies already are running this province and I must say that they are doing a fine job of screwing the province.

Politics here in BC is run by a bunch of liberals, socialists, communists and environmentalists. No wonder BC will never be the wealthy province as it should be. It's a place where taxes are high, and more rules and regulations are created to stifle growth, and now this NDP communist party just brought back the communist Human Rights Commission. Now free thinking conservatives in BC will have to watch what they say. Politically incorrect speech will not be tolerated anymore by the NDP. Why would anyone in their right mind want to vote in a communist party is beyond me. In BC, there is not one sucker born every minute, it is a thousand. Shocking. 

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Just another reminder.  Under the Paris Accord, the country on the left is allowed until 2030 to start cutting emissions.  The country on the right is required to start cutting ASAP.  But climate change is an urgent issue!

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52 minutes ago, Shady said:

Just another reminder.  Under the Paris Accord, the country on the left is allowed until 2030 to start cutting emissions.  The country on the right is required to start cutting ASAP.  But climate change is an urgent issue!

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Climate change is not a big issue in Canada. Canada and Canadians have done their part without the need for more carbon taxes to be implemented. If Estevan, SK. looks like that in the picture then why are there more carbon taxes being implemented in Canada. They are not needed anymore. These carbon taxes should be called theft of taxpayer's money and nothing more. Why would anyone want to listen and believe what climate fear mongers like Al Gore and David Suzuki have to say about climate change who fly all over the world in private jet planes and drive around in big expensive gas guzzling vehicles and who own several houses? Some people will never learn. They wish to remain slaves to the system of lies and bull chit to the very rich and powerful who could careless about people or the earth. It is time for these gullible people to give their head a shake and wake the hell up for gawds sake.  

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10 minutes ago, taxme said:

Climate change is not a big issue in Canada. Canada and Canadians have done their part without the need for more carbon taxes to be implemented. If Estevan, SK. looks like that in the picture then why are there more carbon taxes being implemented in Canada. They are not needed anymore. These carbon taxes should be called theft of taxpayer's money and nothing more. Why would anyone want to listen and believe what climate fear mongers like Al Gore and David Suzuki have to say about climate change who fly all over the world in private jet planes and drive around in big expensive gas guzzling vehicles and who own several houses? Some people will never learn. They wish to remain slaves to the system of lies and bull chit to the very rich and powerful who could careless about people or the earth. It is time for these gullible people to give their head a shake and wake the hell up for gawds sake.  

I think the point is that we can’t ask poorer countries like China to tighten up if countries like Canada won’t.  Basically what the carbon tax does is put a price on pollution, so that it’s in your financial interest to reduce your footprint.  Of course the reality is, and guys like DoFo know this, that we are carbon footprints and we already pay a lot for that footprint. The smartest governments are the ones that take good economic policies and label them climate initiatives.  Building rapid, frequent, convenient transit options is one such policy.  It adds economic capacity and productivity and lowers emissions.  Trudeau hasn’t created a climate change plan with a clear economic benefit.  Ford hasn’t branded his spending on mass transit as a climate change policy, which it is.  

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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think the point is that we can’t ask poorer countries like China to tighten up if countries like Canada won’t.  Basically what the carbon tax does is put a price on pollution, so that it’s in your financial interest to reduce your footprint.  Of course the reality is, and guys like DoFo know this, that we are carbon footprints and we already pay a lot for that footprint. The smartest governments are the ones that take good economic policies and label them climate initiatives.  Building rapid, frequent, convenient transit options is one such policy.  It adds economic capacity and productivity and lowers emissions.  Trudeau hasn’t created a climate change plan with a clear economic benefit.  Ford hasn’t branded his spending on mass transit as a climate change policy, which it is.  

We keep running around in circles, debating token gestures to reduce climate change. The most efficient way to save the planet, would be through depopulation. As long as the population continues to grow, will have to make tremendous sacrifices in the name of sustainability. At what point does these economic penalties reduce freedom? I don't want the children of the future being told what the eat, and how to live, just because they have a large footprint.

Bigger isn't always better. It's not the side of the national GDP that matters. It's the GDP per capita. We can have fewer people with more wealth, or more people with less wealth.

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2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think the point is that we can’t ask poorer countries like China to tighten up if countries like Canada won’t.  Basically what the carbon tax does is put a price on pollution, so that it’s in your financial interest to reduce your footprint.  Of course the reality is, and guys like DoFo know this, that we are carbon footprints and we already pay a lot for that footprint. The smartest governments are the ones that take good economic policies and label them climate initiatives.  Building rapid, frequent, convenient transit options is one such policy.  It adds economic capacity and productivity and lowers emissions.  Trudeau hasn’t created a climate change plan with a clear economic benefit.  Ford hasn’t branded his spending on mass transit as a climate change policy, which it is.  

C'mon, you better wake up. I will tell you. We will see no different from now if all developed countries roll back to stone age but China and India do nothing. JT uses climate change as a buzzword only because he knows shxxt :P

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3 hours ago, Robert Greene said:

We keep running around in circles, debating token gestures to reduce climate change. The most efficient way to save the planet, would be through depopulation.

You could start by rounding up all the lefties but aside from running around in circles and the odd token gesture to reduce them (see Pinochet for example)...what was that about efficiency again?

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At what point does these economic penalties reduce freedom? I don't want the children of the future being told what the eat, and how to live, just because they have a large footprint.

Further to my point above at what point do conservatives realize the future is now?  Us lefties are already telling you what to eat and even how to eat it - without plastic cutlery and straws thank you. 

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Bigger isn't always better. It's not the side of the national GDP that matters. It's the GDP per capita. We can have fewer people with more wealth, or more people with less wealth.

So, more of the same olde same olde in other words.  How typically conservative.

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4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think the point is that we can’t ask poorer countries like China to tighten up if countries like Canada won’t. 

Actually the point is, if you don't, then you won't stand a chance of stopping climate change.  And you won't, so you don't.  Climate change doesn't play fair. 

It's not going to wait until every country is a first world country.

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2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Actually the point is, if you don't, then you won't stand a chance of stopping climate change.  And you won't, so you don't.  Climate change doesn't play fair. 

It's not going to wait until every country is a first world country.

What do you want me to say, give up because we’re fucked?

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