Chavez to U.S. ' Go to hell ,gringos'

[Leafless]

So, Venezuela has a new comedy t.v. show, starring President Hugo Chavez.

He even looks like a comedian.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/2...nezuela-us.html

[Borg]

This one is going to get real messy.

I would suspect we have yet another "Castro" in the making.

This country will be far worse off within then next 10 - 15 years - provided there is not a coup within the next 2-3 years.

Borg

[BC_chick]

This one is going to get real messy.

I would suspect we have yet another "Castro" in the making.

This country will be far worse off within then next 10 - 15 years - provided there is not a coup within the next 2-3 years.

Borg

Why do you think they're going to be worse off in 10-15 years?

[Borg]

This one is going to get real messy.

I would suspect we have yet another "Castro" in the making.

This country will be far worse off within then next 10 - 15 years - provided there is not a coup within the next 2-3 years.

Borg

Why do you think they're going to be worse off in 10-15 years?

Because Chavez is going to live at least that long - unless someone pops him - and then it's open to speculation.

Not a good thing that is happening there.

Borg

[Shakeyhands]

Not a fan of Chavez's but what did he really say wrong here?

[blackascoal]

The Bush Administration tried to orchestrate a coup to overthrow him, but it failed and he remains popular with his people.

The US/CIA has a long history of overthrow of even democratically elected governments, then installing a brutal dictator that tortures and murders his own people.

Small wonder that Chavez told us to fuck off.

[sharkman]

The Bush Administration tried to orchestrate a coup to overthrow him, but it failed and he remains popular with his people.

The US/CIA has a long history of overthrow of even democratically elected governments, then installing a brutal dictator that tortures and murders his own people.

Small wonder that Chavez told us to fuck off.

Would you mind giving a link showing at least a left-wing kook swearing this is true, or better yet a link with actual evidence that Bush tried to overthrow Chavez?

This is the guy(Chavez) who wants to shut down an entire TV station because it wasn't friendly to him during the last election. Actually, he's forcing it off the air when its current license expires, and has a war going with many private radio and TV stations. Has Bush done anything remotely like that. No, of course not. He believes in democracy, not socialism. And this guy calls Bush names. He's a danger to freedom of the press.

[Remiel]

Remember the Maher.

[Leafless]

This one is going to get real messy.

I would suspect we have yet another "Castro" in the making.

This country will be far worse off within then next 10 - 15 years - provided there is not a coup within the next 2-3 years.

Borg

Chavez can be compared to a prostitute.

He leaches off of the proceeds of capitalistic ventures and then spits in the face of capitalist.

Even prostitutes don't spit in the face of their john's.

[margrace]

This one is going to get real messy.

I would suspect we have yet another "Castro" in the making.

This country will be far worse off within then next 10 - 15 years - provided there is not a coup within the next 2-3 years.

Borg

Chavez can be compared to a prostitute.

He leaches off of the proceeds of capitalistic ventures and then spits in the face of capitalist.

Even prostitutes don't spit in the face of their john's.

No they get murdered.

[Fortunata]

The worst thing that the USA could do is to publically react negatively to Chavez. That will fuel the fire of support for Chavez. If he is treated like a minor annoyance (at best) Venezuelan's may think that Chavez is the herder crying wolf when there is none to be found.

[blackascoal]

The Bush Administration tried to orchestrate a coup to overthrow him, but it failed and he remains popular with his people.

The US/CIA has a long history of overthrow of even democratically elected governments, then installing a brutal dictator that tortures and murders his own people.

Small wonder that Chavez told us to fuck off.

Would you mind giving a link showing at least a left-wing kook swearing this is true, or better yet a link with actual evidence that Bush tried to overthrow Chavez?

This is the guy(Chavez) who wants to shut down an entire TV station because it wasn't friendly to him during the last election. Actually, he's forcing it off the air when its current license expires, and has a war going with many private radio and TV stations. Has Bush done anything remotely like that. No, of course not. He believes in democracy, not socialism. And this guy calls Bush names. He's a danger to freedom of the press.

You don't need a link. All you need is a search engine. "US overthrow chavez venzuala" should get you all the information you need .. and are you unaware that this isn't this first time the US has had a hand in the overthrow or attempted overthrow of a democratically elected government.

Is this like a surprise to you?

The radio station that Chavez sgut down worked with the CIA in the attempted coup .. which in this country would be called treason. Anyone caught or suspected of such treason would be jailed in this country and that business shut down.

As far as Bush .. you must be kidding.

Does secret wiretaps ring a bell?

I could go on .. but don't think it will make any difference to you.

[sharkman]

Coal, again you make accusations without any evidence whatsoever. I am supposed to just believe everything you say without you giving any supporting evidence. If there was evidence that the U.S. tried to overthrow Chavez, don't you think he'd be in the world courts pressing his case? And Bush, who by all accounts is dumber than a bucket of rocks can somehow orchestrate an attempted coup without leaving the tiniest evidence? On top of it all, there are many whistle blowers in his administration leaking all manner of secrets to do with CIA prison camps, Iraq strategies and the like. Yet there is no evidence leaked of this coup attempt.

Now you are asserting, again without a shred of evidence, that the CIA was involved with this particular TV station, and that is why Chavez is shutting it down. If this was actually true, Chavez would be within his rights to arrest the station managers and leave the station open to be run by those at the station that were uninvolved. But he's going to wait for the station's license to expire in May, and then not allow it to be renewed. Obviously he has nothing to stand on legally even in their kangaroo court country. And never mind the scores of other media outlets that he is feuding with and threatening.

Notice again what Bush has done by comparison. The New York Times prints state secrets VERY damaging to the administration's efforts in Iraq and other places. They do this because they hate Bush and want to harm his administration. Has Bush done anything to the NYT? No. Nada. Many media outlets in the U.S. are hostile to him, and they are free to print and broadcast whatever they want. But they can't do that under Chavez's rule.

Next you assert that the Bush administration is involved in secret wire taps. What, you think this is illegal? They sure aren't secret.

[blackascoal]

Coal, again you make accusations without any evidence whatsoever. I am supposed to just believe everything you say without you giving any supporting evidence. If their was evidence that the U.S. tried to overthrow Chavez, don't you think he'd be in the world courts pressing his case? And Bush, who by all accounts is dumber than a bucket of rocks can somehow orchestrate an attempted coup without leaving the tiniest evidence? On top of it all, there are many whistle blowers in his administration leaking all manner of secrets to do with CIA prison camps, Iraq strategies and the like. Yet there is no evidence leaked of this coup attempt.

Now you are asserting, again without a shred of evidence, that the CIA was involved with this particular TV station, and that is why Chavez is shutting it down. If this was actually true, Chavez would be within his rights to arrest the station managers and leave the station open to be run by those at the station that were uninvolved. But he's going to wait for the station's license to expire in May, and then not allow it to be renewed. Obviously he has nothing to stand on legally even in their kangaroo court country. And never mind the scores of other media outlets that he is feuding with and threatening.

Notice again what Bush has done by comparison. The New York Times prints state secrets VERY damaging to the administration's efforts in Iraq and other places. They do this because they hate Bush and want to harm his administration. Has Bush done anything to the NYT? No. Nada. Many media outlets in the U.S. are hostile to him, and they are free to print and broadcast whatever they want. But they can't do that under Chavez's rule.

Next you assert that the Bush administration is involved in secret wire taps. What, you think this is illegal? They sure aren't secret.

I'm not even slightly attempting to think for you. Surely you know how to search for relevent information .. that does not come from talk radio. It takes no genius to understand why the Bush Administration was so quick to recognize the coup and the installed government .. which lasted about 5 minutes.

See: "us overthrow chavez venezula"

Do you also need information on the CIA overthrow of the democratically elected Iranian government or the attempts on Castro or what our support of the Contras was about or our history in Bolivia?

How do you speak with suthority on Chavez when you are unaware of our quite obvious attempts to overthrow him .. which is no secret?

Surely you know how to search.

[sharkman]

Look Coal, this is how it works. If you state something and want to be taken seriously, you provide a llink with at least some kind of evidence. Since it was you who made all these statements, YOU have to back them up with something or your argument is just words. Obviously, words is all you have and my previous comment rings true.

[blackascoal]

Look Coal, this is how it works. If you state something and want to be taken seriously, you provide a llink with at least some kind of evidence. Since it was you who made all these statements, YOU have to back them up with something or your argument is just words. Obviously, words is all you have and my previous comment rings true.

Perhaps that's how it works in the world you live in, but if I challenge anything that anyone has said, I simply research it for myself. I don't need to be held by the hand and led to information.

Here's a link, one of thousands, that took me all of 47 seconds to find, that I'm betting you will reject anyway ..

The U.S. role in the Venezuelan coup

Author: John Gilman

People's Weekly World Newspaper, 06/15/02 00:00

http://www.pww.org/article/view/1408/1/91/

When the coup took place in Caracas, Venezuela, on April 11, the usurper of the U.S. Presidency, George W. Bush, had his press agent, Ari Fleischer, state, “Chavez brought it on himself.”

Yet, according to an article in The London Observer by Ed Vulliamy, “Washington was deeply immersed in the overthrow of Chavez many months ago.”

The plan was hatched by Otto Reich, the professional liar and behind-the-scenes hater of Cuba just shortly after Bush named him Under Secretary of Latin American Affairs.

There were a number of other players besides Reich in the Bush administration who planned this coup d’etat. One of the main characters was Eliot Abrams, convicted of giving false information during his involvement in the Iran-Contra Affair, later pardoned from prison by former President George Bush. Abrams presently heads the National Security Council for Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations. A leading braintruster in the Council, Abrams was head of the school known as ‘Hemispherism,’ the main purpose of which is to combat Marxism in the Americas.

The third person in the coup conspiracy is John Negroponte, newly appointed U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. Negroponte, ambassador to Honduras from 1981 to 1986, sat silently while death squads tortured and murdered hundreds of political activists campaigning for social change. The death squads were trained at the School of Americas.

The London Observer confirmed that, “the U.S. government was not only aware of the coup but sanctioned it.”

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Here's another .. another 47 seconds

US Returns to Bad Old Ways in Venezuela by Wayne Madsen and Richard M. Bennett

The one important thing to be learnt from the Venezuelan coup is that the United States has not changed its view that only Governments acceptable to Washington can be allowed to survive in Latin America and that like it or not, the United States will undermine and help overthrow even legally elected administrations if it so chooses. This became obvious when Pentagon sources gleefully revealed that the United States provided critical military and intelligence support to the Venezuelan military coup against President Hugo Chavez on Friday 12th April.

http://www.uvm.edu/~wmiller/venezuelancoup.htm

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I could go on ..

[sharkman]

blackascoal, maybe your computer needs updating. a search that takes 47 seconds? At any rate, we were debating the CIA's involvement in a TV station during Chavez's recent election, and the U.S. supposed involvement in a coup attempt at that time. Your first link is from 2002, and your second link from a dead guy in 2005. Neither of them refer to the events we are discussing.

I know you can google about this and get thousands of hits. The point is most of them are from people opining on blogs or forums like this, or conspiracy theorists. There's a lot of junk on the internet. True hard facts have to be searched for. Again, if there was such in this matter, Chavez would be going to the world courts with it. And he'd have those guilty arrested at that station.

[blackascoal]

blackascoal, maybe your computer needs updating. a search that takes 47 seconds? At any rate, we were debating the CIA's involvement in a TV station during Chavez's recent election, and the U.S. supposed involvement in a coup attempt at that time. Your first link is from 2002, and your second link from a dead guy in 2005. Neither of them refer to the events we are discussing.

I know you can google about this and get thousands of hits. The point is most of them are from people opining on blogs or forums like this, or conspiracy theorists. There's a lot of junk on the internet. True hard facts have to be searched for. Again, if there was such in this matter, Chavez would be going to the world courts with it. And he'd have those guilty arrested at that station.

No my brother. My computer hums. It took 47 seconds to search, review the list of hits, and select one. You should try it. Try searching News hits ... or not.

You act as though this behavior is strange and foreign to the US and just couldn't possibly be true .. but you're reluctant to research it yourself. I believe that no matter what you find, nothing will change your mind .. which is why I didn't want to get into finding links you don't care about in the first place.

Did the US play a significant role in the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran, or did bloggers just make that up?

[Leafless]

Did the US play a significant role in the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran, or did bloggers just make that up?

The U.S. has national interest, as do 'tin pot dictators'.

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0501i.asp

Who's side are you on?

And guess what, Iran could be in serious trouble again.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3355234,00.html

[blackascoal]

Did the US play a significant role in the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran, or did bloggers just make that up?

The U.S. has national interest, as do 'tin pot dictators'.

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0501i.asp

Who's side are you on?

And guess what, Iran could be in serious trouble again.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3355234,00.html

Perhaps you should do more study on Iran. We overthrew their government so that we could continue, along with British Petroleum, to rape their country of it's oil resources. Then we installed a brutal "tin pot" dictator, the Shah, who brought along one of the most brutal secret police forces, SAVAK, in human history.

Perhaps that makes sense to you as prudent policy.

Who's side am I on? I'm on the side of freedom and justice throughout the world, but if you believe that overthrowing governments and murdering, raping, and torturing innocent people is prudent policy .. then I'm not on your side. There is a thing called blowback .. and our troops in Iraq are feeling it right now. I'm an American citizen, not a subject.

Whatever Iran does with their nation, their government, is totally up to the Iranian people, not those who only care about Iran because of its oil.

[BC_chick]

Would you mind giving a link showing at least a left-wing kook swearing this is true, or better yet a link with actual evidence that Bush tried to overthrow Chavez?

Sure.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/internation...,688071,00.html

But something tells me you're just going to attack the messenger anyway.