How to be a millionaire

[Leafless]

"Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day yesterday announced an inquiry into the cases of three Canadian men who suffered imprisonment in the Middle East after being investigated by Canadian security forces."

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Is Canada a country of FOOLS being duped, by a bunch of impeccably manicured, intellectual looking, Arabs, all in line, demanding (or looking for) the BIG PAYOFF.

[mikedavid00]

"Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day yesterday announced an inquiry into the cases of three Canadian men who suffered imprisonment in the Middle East after being investigated by Canadian security forces."

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Is Canada a country of FOOLS being duped, by a bunch of impeccably manicured, intellectual looking, Arabs, all in line, demanding (or looking for) the BIG PAYOFF.

Here we come wth the law suits.

Next it will be air india victims suing the RCMP.

Tainted blood? Our own Canadians getting sick and dying? Meh.. forget about them.

[Leafless]

Here is the link to that story:

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...4596dd9&k=20042

[mikedavid00]

Here is the link to that story:

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...4596dd9&k=20042

All those guys from know information on the Ismlamic Brootherhood terrist organization in Ottawa.

While the might not be direct terrist, they are friends to families in those circles and they do know information. Same with Arar.

We are making millionairs out of people who should not even be in our country.

We'll see if this translates into votes. I don't think it will because the immigrants know these kind of games too well. Not the game Harpers playing, but the game these guys are playing.

Canadians are being snowed right now and fooled. Almost any immigrant from the 3rd world will tell you that becuase they know these kinds of games all too well. After all, they're from the old country.

[Figleaf]

"Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day yesterday announced an inquiry into the cases of three Canadian men who suffered imprisonment in the Middle East after being investigated by Canadian security forces."

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Is Canada a country of FOOLS being duped, by a bunch of impeccably manicured, intellectual looking, Arabs, all in line, demanding (or looking for) the BIG PAYOFF.

Yeah, I sure wish our security agencies weren't such incompetent boobs to create this situation.

[hiti]

"Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day yesterday announced an inquiry into the cases of three Canadian men who suffered imprisonment in the Middle East after being investigated by Canadian security forces."

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Is Canada a country of FOOLS being duped, by a bunch of impeccably manicured, intellectual looking, Arabs, all in line, demanding (or looking for) the BIG PAYOFF.

I think Stocky boy is under orders to find anything, just anything on Liberals and what better way than to have an inquiry or an audit, no matter what the cost or how ridiculous the idea.

He's gonna come up with more Hot Air. Maybe Steve can implement it into his Act.

[mikedavid00]

Is Canada a country of FOOLS being duped, by a bunch of impeccably manicured, intellectual looking, Arabs, all in line, demanding (or looking for) the BIG PAYOFF.

God yes.

Trust me. The immigrants and Syrians will tell you themselves. I'm still waiting for my old Syrian co-worker to logon so I can show you what he says about Arar. He's like 'He's a liar.. a piece of sh**' That's a Syrian speaking.

He also said that Syria is very liberal and you are allowed to dink and do anyhting as long as you claim to be Christian. I've heard all the stories from Syria. Syria supposeldy strives to be the US of the middle east.

If you don't think Syria is liberal for an Arab country, look here:

http://www.syriantopmodels.com/women/index.php

Beleive me, people claiming refugee status from Syria or Lebannon when there is no war goign on are lying just to take advantage or ou lax refugee polity.

[Black Dog]

Trust me. The immigrants and Syrians will tell you themselves. I'm still waiting for my old Syrian co-worker to logon so I can show you what he says about Arar. He's like 'He's a liar.. a piece of sh**' That's a Syrian speaking.

He also said that Syria is very liberal and you are allowed to dink and do anyhting as long as you claim to be Christian. I've heard all the stories from Syria. Syria supposeldy strives to be the US of the middle east.

If you don't think Syria is liberal for an Arab country, look here:

http://www.syriantopmodels.com/women/index.php

Beleive me, people claiming refugee status from Syria or Lebannon when there is no war goign on are lying just to take advantage or ou lax refugee polity.

Syria’s human rights situation is poor, and showed little or no improvement in 2005. Emergency rule, imposed in 1963, remains in effect, despite public calls by Syrian reformers for its repeal. In June, a state security court acquitted Aktham Na`issa, president of the Committees for the Defence of Democratic Liberties and Human Rights in Syria, of charges that he opposed “the objectives of the revolution” and disseminated “false information” aimed at “weakening the State,” but the authorities continue to harass and imprison other human rights defenders and non-violent critics of government policies. The government strictly limits freedom of expression, association, and assembly. Thousands of political prisoners, many of them members of the banned Muslim Brotherhood and the Communist Party, remained in detention. Syrian Kurds, the country’s largest ethnic minority, continued to protest their treatment as second-class citizens. Women face legal as well as societal discrimination, and have little means for redress when they are victims of sexual abuse or domestic violence.

link

Sounds like a great place: when are you moving?

[bk59]

First, this is an investigation called by the government. It has nothing to do with resolving or settling a civil lawsuit. If you want to debate about the legitimacy of suing the government then do so. But this investigation is geared towards finding out if there are problems with how Canadian security forces do (or did) their jobs. Not with giving money to people.

Second, did it not occur to you that if the inquiry finds no wrongdoing on the part of Canadian security forces then the lawsuits will have little or no grounds to stand on? This inquiry may make these lawsuits go away. And if it finds evidence of wrongdoing then we get to improve our security forces to fix those mistakes. Yes, this may involve compensating these three men at some point. But that would be because they were wronged and deserve to be compensated to some degree.

Third, stop acting as if you have some evidence against these men or Maher Arar. A huge inquiry already found that Arar is not, and never was, a threat to Canadian security. I don't care what your friend's roommate's dog walker thinks. I care what a real investigative body looking at real evidence concluded.

On a related note, linking to a website with pictures of women models does not prove how liberal a country is, or prove that its human rights record is somehow blemish free. The link that Black Dog provided to Human Rights Watch seems a little bit more authoritative. And by "seems" I mean "definitely is".

[mikedavid00]

Thousands of political prisoners, many of them members of the banned Muslim Brotherhood and the Communist Party,

Sounds like a great place: when are you moving?

Yes, and Arar gave them information on the Muslim Brotherhood funders in Ottawa.

I never said it was a great place, all second and third world countries are garbage IMO.

Syria is a very liberal country compared to Pakistan, Bangledesh, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. It's not a war torn country filled with refugees that need to flee the country.

[mikedavid00]

On a related note, linking to a website with pictures of women models does not prove how liberal a country is, or prove that its human rights record is somehow blemish free.

I never said it's perfect. No Islamic country in existance is perfect.

But it's NOT the most hardcore of the bunch. It's probably at the bottom scale of tolorent Islmaic countries considering you can get alchohol and women can model with tight clothing.

In Pakistan the red cross workers were not allowed to do charity work because the women were wearing shorts to their knees.

Your missing the bigger picture though. I don't give a damn about the human rights in Syria or Samolia or anywhere else. That's their problem. We have our own problems. Now there problems, are become OUR problems. My interest is Canada and the US.

I just want the poeple to stop claiming refugee status in Canada. They are lying to get in here and it's got to stop because we're being taken advantage of.

[Black Dog]

I never said it's perfect. No Islamic country in existance is perfect.

But it's NOT the most hardcore of the bunch. It's probably at the bottom scale of tolorent Islmaic countries considering you can get alchohol and women can model with tight clothing.

In Pakistan the red cross workers were not allowed to do charity work because the women were wearing shorts to their knees.

I'm just a caveman, so maybe my primitive mind can't grasp these concepts, but what does the fact that women can show their faces in public or drink have to do with Syria's abysimal record on human rights in other areas (such as their reputation for torture of detainess)?

Your missing the bigger picture though. I don't give a damn about the human rights in Syria or Samolia or anywhere else. That's their problem. We have our own problems. Now there problems, are become OUR problems. My interest is Canada and the US.

Let me get this straight: when WE ship one of OUR citizens to Syria where, in all likliehood, he gets tortured, and then they ship him back to us, that's NOT "OUR" problem?

I just want the poeple to stop claiming refugee status in Canada. They are lying to get in here and it's got to stop because we're being taken advantage of.

That's all well and good. But what does it have to do with Maher Arar's case?

[Leafless]

Your missing the bigger picture though. I don't give a damn about the human rights in Syria or Samolia or anywhere else. That's their problem. We have our own problems. Now there problems, are become OUR problems. My interest is Canada and the US.

Let me get this straight: when WE ship one of OUR citizens to Syria where, in all likliehood, he gets tortured, and then they ship him back to us, that's NOT "OUR" problem?

Why should it be our problem? It was not Canada that shipped him to Syria, his second homeland.

The man possess dual citizenship to both Canada and Syria, this in my mind makes him 50% Canadian with questionable loyalties.

I don't know why you find it so hard to understand that this man was under RCMP surveillance and the U.S. did not need or require anything from Canada to send him back to Syria.

"The State Department, which acknowledges Arar was sent to Syria, has said he was picked up by U.S. officials "based on information received from Canada." However, it has also said that Canada's "approval or consent was not sought" in the decision to ship him to a foreign prison."

But it appears to be the troublesome 'charter' that is the CAUSE for great confusion in complicating matters concerning applicable evidence pertaining to the exchange of information between the U.S. and Canada.

"He said they were also worried that the inquiry would lead to restrictions on Canada's intelligence operations and that the government might even "try to build some human rights context into intelligence sharing. They can't see any benefit in this inquiry," he said."

http://www.news.utoronto.ca/inthenews/arch...2005_06_26.html

[mikedavid00]

I don't know why you find it so hard to understand that this man was under RCMP surveillance and the U.S. did not need or require anything from Canada to send him back to Syria.

I agree. It becomes obvious that people don't even understand the issue and have just read the common cbc headlines.

I read about the issue fairly in depth and the cards stack against him in so many ways.

Claims about him making $200k a year, him and his wife being high society. It's just unreal. He actually was low in come, a computer technician, and lived in an apartment while her wife spent the majority of her time in school.

He also came here to avoid the army. I do not believe that this constitutes a legitimate refugee.

And above all, the RCMP was watching him due to his possible links with terrorist organizations which he admits giving this information to the Syrian Authorities.

I condider him an 'undersireable' for Canada and I feel he should be deported, just like they did in the UK after the train bombings.

[Black Dog]

Why should it be our problem? It was not Canada that shipped him to Syria, his second homeland.

It's our problem because he's a Canadian citizen travelling on a Canadian passport. The fact that he was shipped to Syria based on information provided by our security services is the icing on the cake.

The man possess dual citizenship to both Canada and Syria, this in my mind makes him 50% Canadian with questionable loyalties.

There's no such thing as 50% citizenship. His citizenship is equal to your own.

I don't know why you find it so hard to understand that this man was under RCMP surveillance and the U.S. did not need or require anything from Canada to send him back to Syria.

"The State Department, which acknowledges Arar was sent to Syria, has said he was picked up by U.S. officials "based on information received from Canada." However, it has also said that Canada's "approval or consent was not sought" in the decision to ship him to a foreign prison."

Your source says the opposite thing you say it does. It says Arar was shipped out as a direct result of information recieved from the RCMP. The possibility that the decision to do so was taken by the U.S. alone doesn't change the fact that he never would have been stopped in the first place were it not for the RCMP's involvement.

But it appears to be the troublesome 'charter' that is the CAUSE for great confusion in complicating matters concerning applicable evidence pertaining to the exchange of information between the U.S. and Canada.

"He said they were also worried that the inquiry would lead to restrictions on Canada's intelligence operations and that the government might even "try to build some human rights context into intelligence sharing. They can't see any benefit in this inquiry," he said."

Poor bunnies. Maybe if they were better at their jobs in the first place they wouldn't be facing such scrutiny.

[Figleaf]

Yes, and Arar gave them information on the Muslim Brotherhood funders in Ottawa.

What did he tell them?

[Black Dog]

What did he tell them?

And did he tell them before or after the beatings?

[mikedavid00]

Yes, and Arar gave them information on the Muslim Brotherhood funders in Ottawa.

What did he tell them?

This was not included in the report. He wasn't beaten because he was co-ooerating. But this is far beyond anything you have read up on so that's why I'm not talking about it anymore. While I agree he's not an actual terrorist, he (like thousands of other Muslims in Canada) have knowledge to terrist cells in Canada.

I consider these people undesireables and thus should be deported with their citizenship revoked.

Oct. 24 2003

"Senior government officials in various departments have told CTV News that while in custody in Syria for almost a year, Canadian Maher Arar provided information to the Syrians about al Qaeda cells operating in Canada.

They say Arar also provided information about the Muslim Brotherhood, a radical Islamic group linked to Osama bin Laden, and information about four other Canadians:

Arwad al-Bushi, a Syrian-born Canadian being held in a Syrian jail;

Abdullah al Malki, another Syrian-born Canadian being held in Syria;

Ahmad Abou-el-Maati, an Eyptian Canadian in custody in Egypt; and

Mohamed Harkat, born in Algeria, who is being held under an anti-terrorism security certificate at the Ottawa Detention Centre. "

[Melanie_]

I read about the issue fairly in depth and the cards stack against him in so many ways.

When? December 8 you said

What is this all about in a nutshell. I tuned out this issue whenever I heard it on the news over the years.

BTW, if a Canadian calls another Canadian a lying piece of sh**, does that make it true?

I'm still waiting for my old Syrian co-worker to logon so I can show you what he says about Arar. He's like 'He's a liar.. a piece of sh**' That's a Syrian speaking.

[Figleaf]

Yes, and Arar gave them information on the Muslim Brotherhood funders in Ottawa.

What did he tell them?

This was not included in the report. He wasn't beaten because he was co-ooerating. But this is far beyond anything you have read up on so that's why I'm not talking about it anymore.

Riiiight. It's usually smart to clam up when it starts getting obvious that you're talking sh1t.

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I consider these people undesireables and thus should be deported with their citizenship revoked.

Blahblahblah.