TerrorStorm: Free movie

[PolyNewbie]

The movie Terrorstorm shows documented mainstream history of terror attacks on US as admittedly faked by the establishment.

The movie puts forth evidence of the London 7/7 bombings being an inside job and the 911 attacks as being an inside job.

You can watch this for free at

See Terrorstorm http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...287038493668253

Better Copy: http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/47201/...storm_115M.html

Thoughts ?

[kimmy]

Should be delightful.

-k

[Black Dog]

Thoughts ?

I don't trust an administration so rife with incompetents, idealogues and flat out idiots has the capacity for pulling off a "inside job" of the magnitude of 9-11.

[GostHacked]

Thoughts ?

I don't trust an administration so rife with incompetents, idealogues and flat out idiots has the capacity for pulling off a "inside job" of the magnitude of 9-11.

Seen the movie and his others as well.

Yes but these are the same people that lied to us that the invasion of Iraq was just. These are the same people that are telling you another attack will happen. They want you to think they are incompetent. They want you to think they are sloppy. Also since they are so incompetent, another attack is around the corner. I don't beleive that that much incompetents runs in the government. Someone would have noticed by now. It all seems purposely done.

Fearmongering in the Skies. Ever since the plot in the UK was discovered and avoided, there has been ever more reports in the news media about problems on the airlines. There is about on average two/three reports a day on flights that are delayed, rerouted, grounded ect.

Instead of listing all of them, you can find them at http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=...e+diverted+2006

Simply more fearmongering by the powers that be. You never heard of much if any of this thing in the last couple years, even after 9/11, even after Reid the Shoebomber. It's all scare tactics. Remember the anthrax scare? No one was ever charged in that I think.

[Black Dog]

I don't beleive that that much incompetents runs in the government. Someone would have noticed by now. It all seems purposely done.

"Someone would have noticed"?! Where have you been for the last 6 years? Okay, I'll bite: suppose this an elaborate, incedibly complex and sophisticated conspiracy, one that would necessarily involve thousands of people at all levels of government: what's its purpose?

Fearmongering in the Skies. Ever since the plot in the UK was discovered and avoided, there has been ever more reports in the news media about problems on the airlines. There is about on average two/three reports a day on flights that are delayed, rerouted, grounded ect.

Instead of listing all of them, you can find them at http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=...e+diverted+2006

Simply more fearmongering by the powers that be. You never heard of much if any of this thing in the last couple years, even after 9/11, even after Reid the Shoebomber. It's all scare tactics. Remember the anthrax scare? No one was ever charged in that I think.

Yeah? So? That doesn't mean there's a conspiracy at work.

[PolyNewbie]

Another source for better resolution:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=57...;q=terror+storm

[kimmy]

Okay, I'll bite: suppose this an elaborate, incedibly complex and sophisticated conspiracy, one that would necessarily involve thousands of people at all levels of government: what's its purpose?

I imagine something along the lines of continued justification of military spending. Or justifying military presence in strategic areas (Iraq oil and Afghan pipe-line theories.)

There are probably lots of theories as to "why"... the "how" seems to me to be the larger problem.

-k

[Black Dog]

I imagine something along the lines of continued justification of military spending. Or justifying military presence in strategic areas (Iraq oil and Afghan pipe-line theories.)

Which leads me to wonder: if they could pull off an "inside job" like 9-11, why fuck around with something so minor? If they wanted to take over the world, or create a facist dictaorship, or justify invading the entire Midddle East or whatever, why not go all the way and, say, nuke a major U.S. city?

[kimmy]

I imagine something along the lines of continued justification of military spending. Or justifying military presence in strategic areas (Iraq oil and Afghan pipe-line theories.)

Which leads me to wonder: if they could pull off an "inside job" like 9-11, why fuck around with something so minor? If they wanted to take over the world, or create a facist dictaorship, or justify invading the entire Midddle East or whatever, why not go all the way and, say, nuke a major U.S. city?

The idea isn't to take over the world. It's to keep making more money for their friends in the defense or oil industries. Although, there are also those theories that believe the US government is controlled by evangelical kooks who seek to bring about Armageddon or somesuch.

(listen to me, articulating on behalf of the conspiracy nutjobs. Does that seem right? I wish they would come defend their own ideas so I can go back to scoffing at them.)

-k

[GostHacked]

I imagine something along the lines of continued justification of military spending. Or justifying military presence in strategic areas (Iraq oil and Afghan pipe-line theories.)

Which leads me to wonder: if they could pull off an "inside job" like 9-11, why fuck around with something so minor? If they wanted to take over the world, or create a facist dictaorship, or justify invading the entire Midddle East or whatever, why not go all the way and, say, nuke a major U.S. city?

The idea isn't to take over the world. It's to keep making more money for their friends in the defense or oil industries. Although, there are also those theories that believe the US government is controlled by evangelical kooks who seek to bring about Armageddon or somesuch.

(listen to me, articulating on behalf of the conspiracy nutjobs. Does that seem right? I wish they would come defend their own ideas so I can go back to scoffing at them.)

-k

No wories Kimmy, I'll take up the slack and you can go back to the other side. Or maybe stay here ahwile, find out what we are talking about

You may not be far off with the religious nutbag theory. Since extremist Muslims want to destroy the US and 'freedom' and 'liberties' you can assume we have the equivilant of those nutjobs as well. These terrorists hide among the population, usually in huge churches where the evagelical leaders will spew their speech over the airwaves. Pat Robertson for example. He is just as dangerous. Everything is done in the name of God right? (But which god is better!?)

You can clearly see the freedoms and liberties being eroded away. Patriot Act (passed without most of the senators even reading the bill, does that not scare you? They voted on a bill they know nothing about. How comfortable are you with that?). 'You are with us, or against us." The integration of Federal, state and local police forces.

Observe something around you. You have more cameras around, more police and security forces around. More than 20 years ago, and you can see the gradual increase of the 'security' almost everywhere. You have personelle in the airports with full gear on and an automatic weapons in hand. Does that not concern you? Everyone is a suspect now. Everyone is guilty till proven innocent.

Because of the recent airline bomb/plot scare, no one can bring liquids and gels onto the plane. So that old lady with the gel bra to hold up thos saggy things will have to remove it. Gel inserts in shoes? Gone. Electronic devices like cell phones I really don't have a problem with, RFI can mess up a planes electronic systems (although very unlikely).

I have also seen most of Jones's other movies, Terrorstorm is a combination of the other movies with better production and was put together alot better than his other ones. Almost like a summary of his past films. I liked it. It is not something you should ignore either, he is telling people to wake up and stop being complacent. If you put 100% blind trust in the governmet, that will come back and bite you in the ass. The government works for you. not the other way around.

[Black Dog]

You may not be far off with the religious nutbag theory. Since extremist Muslims want to destroy the US and 'freedom' and 'liberties' you can assume we have the equivilant of those nutjobs as well. These terrorists hide among the population, usually in huge churches where the evagelical leaders will spew their speech over the airwaves. Pat Robertson for example. He is just as dangerous. Everything is done in the name of God right? (But which god is better!?)

Pat Robertson is a nutjob and many Americans have wacky religious beliefs. And?

You can clearly see the freedoms and liberties being eroded away. Patriot Act (passed without most of the senators even reading the bill, does that not scare you? They voted on a bill they know nothing about. How comfortable are you with that?). 'You are with us, or against us." The integration of Federal, state and local police forces.

So? An old fashioned power grab doesn't prove anything about 9-11 being an inside job. Lke I said, if they wanted to grab power and were able to pull off something on the magnitude of 9-11, why not go big and, say, nuke a major city? No need to chisel away at things.

Observe something around you. You have more cameras around, more police and security forces around. More than 20 years ago, and you can see the gradual increase of the 'security' almost everywhere. You have personelle in the airports with full gear on and an automatic weapons in hand. Does that not concern you? Everyone is a suspect now. Everyone is guilty till proven innocent.

Are you saying there are no external security threats?I'm as wacky a lefty as you'll find and even I don't buy that.

Because of the recent airline bomb/plot scare, no one can bring liquids and gels onto the plane. So that old lady with the gel bra to hold up thos saggy things will have to remove it. Gel inserts in shoes? Gone. Electronic devices like cell phones I really don't have a problem with, RFI can mess up a planes electronic systems (although very unlikely).

Onoz! They killed 3,000+ people on 9-11 to ...keep us in long line ups and stop us from packing hair gel?

Look, I've no doubt the administration and its cronies have done their best to hype the terrorism threat for political and financial gain. But its a big leap to go from exploiting terrorism fears and actually faking/causing terrorism. Sadly, reliance on whacky, unproveable conspiracy theories (ie. the WTC collapse was a controlled demolition!11!!!) enable the right to marginalize their political opponnents. Why, for all you know, this conspiracy mongering is part of the conspiracy!!

[theloniusfleabag]

A co-worker lent me a movie last night, called "V for Vendetta". A very similar plot-line, where the gov't 'manufactured' terrorist attacks to enable them to tighten their grip on society. An interesting movie, though it reminded me of "The Last Remake of Beau Geste Guy Fawkes". Of course, there is the examination of 'ends justifying means' and all that.

kimmy,

I imagine something along the lines of continued justification of military spending. Or justifying military presence in strategic areas (Iraq oil and Afghan pipe-line theories.)

The Arms Trade, not just the from the US, but throughout the world, would take a heavy hit if 'world peace' broke out. It is the biggest business in the world.

[Wilber]

So the US government convinced a bunch of Saudi Arabs to commit suicide by running US airliners full of Americans into US buildings so the US can take over the Middle East. Makes sense to me.

[Black Dog]

The Arms Trade, not just the from the US, but throughout the world, would take a heavy hit if 'world peace' broke out. It is the biggest business in the world.

Yet somehow it managed to flourish wihout the help of nefarous government conspricaies involving terrorist acts against its own citizenry. Or did it????

So the US government convinced a bunch of Saudi Arabs to commit suicide by running US airliners full of Americans into US buildings so the US can take over the Middle East. Makes sense to me.

Dude, don't you know? There were no Saudis. Or airliners. It's not clear if there were even buildings. I mean, most people saw the events on TV, right? And they can fake anything on TV. And anyone who claims to have been an eyewitness is in on it.

[Charles Anthony]

So the US government convinced a bunch of Saudi Arabs to commit suicide by running US airliners full of Americans into US buildings so the US can take over the Middle East. Makes sense to me.

No.

A tall bearded man in a cave did.

[GostHacked]

BD

So? An old fashioned power grab doesn't prove anything about 9-11 being an inside job. Lke I said, if they wanted to grab power and were able to pull off something on the magnitude of 9-11, why not go big and, say, nuke a major city? No need to chisel away at things.

It is gradual and intentional. If everything was taken away and the police state was established in one night, everyone would notice. Do it bit by bit and people won't notice and won't care. COMPLACENT. Also people have a short term memory.

And I almost thought you were Monty Burns for a minute with the rant at the end. I am glad you are ok.

theloniusfleabag I picked that movie up the other day as well, gotta set up the hometheater again so I can watch this movie. I hear it parallels what is going on today. Gonna watch this tomorrow.

[JerrySeinfeld]

The movie Terrorstorm shows documented mainstream history of terror attacks on US as admittedly faked by the establishment.

The movie puts forth evidence of the London 7/7 bombings being an inside job and the 911 attacks as being an inside job.

You can watch this for free at

See Terrorstorm http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...287038493668253

Better Copy: http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/47201/...storm_115M.html

Thoughts ?

Yea- Danish cartoon? Islamic Militants. London Bombings? Islamic Militants. Buenes Aires Bombings of Jewish center? Islamic Militants. Toronto Arrests? Islamic Militants. Hezbollah firing rockets at Israel? Islamic Militants.

But - what a surprise!...9-11 attacks? of course! US GOVERNMENT!!!

I'm not even disgusted by Islamic militants - at least they believe in, fight for and are willing to die for their side. What's truly disgusting is the willingness of s many lefties in the west to fight AGAINST our side

[Black Dog]

It is gradual and intentional. If everything was taken away and the police state was established in one night, everyone would notice. Do it bit by bit and people won't notice and won't care. COMPLACENT. Also people have a short term memory

If you nuked a major city, people would be lining up to hand over their civil liberties. And it's not like the Bush administration has been very good at keeping its activities secret. Plus, even if establishing a police state was the goal, that still doesn't prove they pulled 9-11. It could just be that gave them an opportunity to shoe-horn in some rather unsavoury policies (like invading Iraq). When in doubt, Occam's Razor is your friend.

I'm not even disgusted by Islamic militants - at least they believe in, fight for and are willing to die for their side. What's truly disgusting is the willingness of s many lefties in the west to fight AGAINST our side

That's because, deep down, you don't really disagree wih the radical Muslims. It's just that the colour is wrong.

[GostHacked]

Black Dog.

Here is something that does not sit right with me , and it should not sit right with you.

Now recall there were military exercises going on that same day Sept 11/2001. And how long it took for fighter jets to be dispatched to the New York area.

Now since the latest terrorist plane bombing threat, every single plane that has had a scuffle on board, or even a bomb note was intercepted by military aircraft within minutes. Not to mention all the planes BEFORE 9/11 were intercepted within minutes. Somehow on 9/11 something went wrong. Does not sit right with me at all.

[Wilber]

Black Dog.

Here is something that does not sit right with me , and it should not sit right with you.

Now recall there were military exercises going on that same day Sept 11/2001. And how long it took for fighter jets to be dispatched to the New York area.

Now since the latest terrorist plane bombing threat, every single plane that has had a scuffle on board, or even a bomb note was intercepted by military aircraft within minutes. Not to mention all the planes BEFORE 9/11 were intercepted within minutes. Somehow on 9/11 something went wrong. Does not sit right with me at all.

All these flights departed from either Newark or Boston which are fairly close to New York. You think it strange that the airforce did not react quickly enough to shoot down aircraft belonging to US airlines over US airspace when nothing remotely like this had never happened before. I would think it very strange if they had.

[newbie]

Now what was it Bush said, something like "either yer with us or agin us" 15 Saudis on board?

link

[GostHacked]

Now what was it Bush said, something like "either yer with us or agin us" 15 Saudis on board?

link

Good find !!!! I hear the Prince has a very delicate tounge.

[Black Dog]

Now recall there were military exercises going on that same day Sept 11/2001. And how long it took for fighter jets to be dispatched to the New York area.

Excerices are just that: excercises. You're assuming a military aircraft participating in exercises can just shunt over and pick a hijacked airplane out of the sky? Plus, I thought the conspiracy theory was that the war games were cover for the attacks?

But think about this: how many commercial aircraft are in the air at any given time in the U.S.? Thousands. So ground ATC would have to find teh right planes and advise NORAD, since, at the time, NORAD didn't cover domestic air traffic. Recall, too, that the planes transponders (you do belive the part about the planes, right?) were switched off, which made them difficult to track. So in order to buy your theory, you have to assume there were interceptors at the ready that could locate the hijacked planes within the timeframe (and that is also assuming that ground controllers knew the planes were hijacked: according to the records, the first report from the air traffic control to NORAD didn't get through till about 20 minutes before the first plane hit the first tower).

Now since the latest terrorist plane bombing threat, every single plane that has had a scuffle on board, or even a bomb note was intercepted by military aircraft within minutes.

Gee do you think that has anything to do with the lessons learned from 9-11?

Not to mention all the planes BEFORE 9/11 were intercepted within minutes.

In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. It took interceptors 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach it.

Somehow on 9/11 something went wrong. Does not sit right with me at all.

It's simple. People lose their heads in a crisis. Even the most sophisticated system break down. It's far more likely that the errors and miscues on 9-11 stemmed from confusion more than malice. And it blows my mind to think that some people have a harder time believeing in a conspiracy involving a few dozen people over a conspiracy involving hundreds.

[GostHacked]

BD

http://www.cnn.com/US/9910/25/wayward.jet.07/

An Air Force spokesman says two U.S. Air Force F-15s from Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, intercepted the plane shortly after it lost contact with aircraft controllers, and followed it to Missouri.

Shortly = 1h 22m? Military response?? That seems a bit ... slow. Considering a fully stocked CF-18 can make it from North Bay to Winnipeg in about 30-40 mins. Difference here the transponder on Payne's jet was still active. And they knew the flight path. But yet the FAA and US Airforce tells us and shows us the exact route of all those planes, considering they never found the black boxes for the two planes that hit the twin towers.

But another article backs you up with

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/natio...t99/crash26.htm your time frame of 1 h 22m would be correct. I thought it was a much shorter time span. But this is the only article I have come across that shows the time break down.

[Black Dog]

Shortly = 1h 22m? Military response?? That seems a bit ... slow. Considering a fully stocked CF-18 can make it from North Bay to Winnipeg in about 30-40 mins. Difference here the transponder on Payne's jet was still active. And they knew the flight path. But yet the FAA and US Airforce tells us and shows us the exact route of all those planes, considering they never found the black boxes for the two planes that hit the twin towers..

They were ables to figure out the path using radar after the fact. At the time, though, they had to search through all the air traffic. When you consider the time constraints, the delay between the hijackings and the realizatiion that the planes were hijacked, the resulting confusion (I distinctly remember the volume of bad information being transmitted on that day: no one knew what was happening), the arduous task of locating the hijacked planes and the inevitable difficulties in co-ordinating the efforts of ground ATC and NORAD, you're talking about a huige variety of variables which contributed. Again: think Occam's Razor.