jdobbin Posted August 8, 2006 Report Posted August 8, 2006 http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/20...e-contract.html Another rip off for west? Isn't this how the Reform party got started? Quote
jdobbin Posted August 8, 2006 Author Report Posted August 8, 2006 It's hard to belive the Conservatives are trying to justify this. I wish someone like Preston Manning would could call them out on it. Quote
geoffrey Posted August 8, 2006 Report Posted August 8, 2006 Actually, the contracts are going everywhere but Ontario. Which is fine by me. Don't really care for using technicalities to get around laws though. Come on Harper, I thought you said you were going to be better than that. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
jdobbin Posted August 8, 2006 Author Report Posted August 8, 2006 Actually, the contracts are going everywhere but Ontario. Which is fine by me.Don't really care for using technicalities to get around laws though. Come on Harper, I thought you said you were going to be better than that. Most critics are saying that will lead to intense lobbying from many provinces and could possibly lead to corruption. Manning, among others, was responsible for getting the federal government to stop this process in 1994. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted August 8, 2006 Report Posted August 8, 2006 Don't tell me Toronto is going to get shut out of these contracts....... Quote The government should do something.
geoffrey Posted August 8, 2006 Report Posted August 8, 2006 Don't tell me Toronto is going to get shut out of these contracts....... Poor Toronto, another kick in the pants for the centre of the universe. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
jdobbin Posted August 8, 2006 Author Report Posted August 8, 2006 Don't tell me Toronto is going to get shut out of these contracts....... It means that political influence which was removed from the process in 1994 will be back again. Perhaps the Conservatives don't remember what got the Reform party started originally. Quote
Argus Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Don't tell me Toronto is going to get shut out of these contracts....... It means that political influence which was removed from the process in 1994 Oh come on. You didn't write that with a straight face did you? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted August 9, 2006 Author Report Posted August 9, 2006 Oh come on. You didn't write that with a straight face did you? So you totally approve of this policy that Conservatives have been in suport of since 1994? Quote
Argus Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Oh come on. You didn't write that with a straight face did you? So you totally approve of this policy that Conservatives have been in suport of since 1994? I don't know yet. I'll have to see what they do with it. So far all I've seen is speculation. I do know that suggesting political influence was removed from military procurement in 1994 is ludicrous. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Actually, very little of that 8 bil in the article will be spent in Canada, last time i checked the Chinnoks and C-17 plants are located in the US. there may be some smaller sub contracts that may be picked up by Canada. but the US will get the bulk of those cheques. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
jdobbin Posted August 9, 2006 Author Report Posted August 9, 2006 Actually, very little of that 8 bil in the article will be spent in Canada, last time i checked the Chinnoks and C-17 plants are located in the US. there may be some smaller sub contracts that may be picked up by Canada. but the US will get the bulk of those cheques. There are also vehicles that will be built in Canada and they are a big chunk of the change. Maintenance contracts are also part of those figures. According to Gordon O"Connor's speech, it will mean billions spent in Canada. Quote
jdobbin Posted August 9, 2006 Author Report Posted August 9, 2006 I don't know yet. I'll have to see what they do with it. So far all I've seen is speculation.I do know that suggesting political influence was removed from military procurement in 1994 is ludicrous. This decision to bypass means that the prime minister can pick winning provinces directly. The Conservatives have long said that they would never do this again. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Don't tell me Toronto is going to get shut out of these contracts....... Poor Toronto, another kick in the pants for the centre of the universe. You guys are so sad. Holy inadequacy! This anti Toronto thing that some of you have going is hilarious, no matter how angry and jealous you may be, remember that Toronto loves you. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Leader Circle Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Don't tell me Toronto is going to get shut out of these contracts....... Poor Toronto, another kick in the pants for the centre of the universe. You guys are so sad. Holy inadequacy! This anti Toronto thing that some of you have going is hilarious, no matter how angry and jealous you may be, remember that Toronto loves you. Problem is many of us outside of Toronto don't favor the gay love that TO provides!!! Quote Why pay money to have your family tree traced; go into politics and your opponents will do it for you. ~Author Unknown
Shakeyhands Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Don't tell me Toronto is going to get shut out of these contracts....... Poor Toronto, another kick in the pants for the centre of the universe. You guys are so sad. Holy inadequacy! This anti Toronto thing that some of you have going is hilarious, no matter how angry and jealous you may be, remember that Toronto loves you. Problem is many of us outside of Toronto don't favor the gay love that TO provides!!! Yeah you do... we see the websites you've been visiting... not that there's anything wrong with that. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Leader Circle Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Don't tell me Toronto is going to get shut out of these contracts....... Poor Toronto, another kick in the pants for the centre of the universe. You guys are so sad. Holy inadequacy! This anti Toronto thing that some of you have going is hilarious, no matter how angry and jealous you may be, remember that Toronto loves you. Problem is many of us outside of Toronto don't favor the gay love that TO provides!!! Yeah you do... we see the websites you've been visiting... not that there's anything wrong with that. Negatory pigpen, not in this life. Quote Why pay money to have your family tree traced; go into politics and your opponents will do it for you. ~Author Unknown
GostHacked Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Oh come on. You didn't write that with a straight face did you? So you totally approve of this policy that Conservatives have been in suport of since 1994? I don't know yet. I'll have to see what they do with it. So far all I've seen is speculation. I do know that suggesting political influence was removed from military procurement in 1994 is ludicrous. Argus, this seems like the wrong line of thinking to me. Wait and see the results? Or how about being proactive finding out what it details and entails and then make the decision NOW before it all gets implemented and screws things up. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
jdobbin Posted August 9, 2006 Author Report Posted August 9, 2006 Argus, this seems like the wrong line of thinking to me. Wait and see the results? Or how about being proactive finding out what it details and entails and then make the decision NOW before it all gets implemented and screws things up. No one would accept this policy from any other political party. Why use a sneaky "national security" loophole? What is the national security issue? That Alberta gets a contract over Manitoba? Quote
Argus Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Oh come on. You didn't write that with a straight face did you? So you totally approve of this policy that Conservatives have been in suport of since 1994? I don't know yet. I'll have to see what they do with it. So far all I've seen is speculation. I do know that suggesting political influence was removed from military procurement in 1994 is ludicrous. Argus, this seems like the wrong line of thinking to me. Wait and see the results? Or how about being proactive finding out what it details and entails and then make the decision NOW before it all gets implemented and screws things up. Because it's just not something I'm going to spend any time worrying about. Military procurement has been an unmitagated disaster for at least thirty years. Everything we buy is for political reasons, and so it costs several times more than it ought to and we get equipment years late which isn't what the military want or need. That's the way it's been my entire life and so whatever the tories do, at the very WORST it will be no worse than it is. I have other things I'd rather worry about. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted August 10, 2006 Author Report Posted August 10, 2006 Because it's just not something I'm going to spend any time worrying about. Military procurement has been an unmitagated disaster for at least thirty years. Everything we buy is for political reasons, and so it costs several times more than it ought to and we get equipment years late which isn't what the military want or need. That's the way it's been my entire life and so whatever the tories do, at the very WORST it will be no worse than it is.I have other things I'd rather worry about. Most procurement experts, military or otherwise, have been commenting in both national newspapers saying that the loophole could add to the costs and be technically inferior. The Bristol Aerospace case in Winnipeg haunted the Conservatives for decades. It's best not to screw around with the law in this case. It is political fire for the Conservatives. Quote
NL_Separatist Posted August 10, 2006 Report Posted August 10, 2006 Oh Mr ShackyHands,your going to love me .First let me say "Hello "to everybody in the forum ,and to shackyhands,lol,why everyone hates Toronto.OH MY GOD ,where can I start .Im not even going to go there.If you cant understand why everybody hates the center of the Canadain Universe ,maybe you should try living in another part of the country for two days ,cause thats all its going to take for you to understand why people feel like that Quote
Shakeyhands Posted August 14, 2006 Report Posted August 14, 2006 Oh Mr ShackyHands,your going to love me .First let me say "Hello "to everybody in the forum ,and to shackyhands,lol,why everyone hates Toronto.OH MY GOD ,where can I start .Im not even going to go there.If you cant understand why everybody hates the center of the Canadain Universe ,maybe you should try living in another part of the country for two days ,cause thats all its going to take for you to understand why people feel like that Please do start, apparently I missed a class along the way. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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