Poilievre vs Carney: Critical Issue

[Army Guy]

15 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

We've been through your 'point' countless times. You continually blame everything on the liberals, and think we should give Trump what he wants.  And I could resist when I saw your defence spend comment... 🤷‍♂️

I asked you... you have trouble getting your head around why our economy is struggling that you blame on liberal inaction. What is it about the US tariffs to auto, steel, aluminum and lumber and how they're affecting those industries that you don't understand?  Sign a deal....why. Trump's got his own problems with these tariffs and more inflation coming his way. Agree to something when it's win/win, not win/lose

You're still talking about Trudeau. He's gone, get over it.  It doesn't appear to me that this government is putting the climate ahead of the economy. Are they? I see some ambitious plans right now that have a long way to come to fruition but oil and gas are part of that.  Don't worry, you'll get the satisfaction of us contributing to all the good fossil fuels do for our climate.  

So, in your mind we've been 'freeloaders'.  I'll disagree with that, but so what?  Say we're sorry and move on rather than yours, and I'd almost bet Poilievres, of agreeing to a deal for the sake of politics rather than long term benefits for the country.  

 

I think me blaming the liberals for everything has something to do with they are the party in charge for the last 11 years....They and their p[policies are responsible for our current status.....Who else are Canadians going to hold accountable....Sure blame trump and PP....it is what liberals are good at...pointing fingers at some one else...

No, i very clear on why OUR economy is struggling, it has liberal stamp all over it....Liberals don't get to use that excuse that a small portion of our economy is struggling because of tariffs "what is it they say 85 % of our economy is tariff free....if that was true why not make a deal and end those tariffs....that is not the liberal plan...The plan is to wait trump out....Liberals don't care about the tariffs or job losses or the economy i mean what was the deficit this year 75 bil over, with larger debt loads next year....stop pretending .......or we would be at the table trying to sort that out....Don't pretend that liberals care about any tariffs or trade deal....

Don't think the liberals get a pass about hearing about the worst PM in our history, it was after all THEM that voted for him 3 times in a row....You will never stop hearing about how he screwed CANADA...Climate change is front and center of most of their policies...take industrial carbon tax deal coming out today........if it was not why not reverse all justins climate change BS...and let Alberta be the engine of this country once again...All we have seen since his election is lots of promises....very little action...Canadians will jump on board climate change when something can replace fossil fuels, until then it is a no go...

No not just in my mind, most peoples minds, most of our allied minds most of our defense agreement partners minds, most of the world minds....It is embarrassing to have to explain to foreign people why you're nation is not a reliable allied.. And to make maters worse Most Canadians are proud of that...You can almost bet on anything, what your saying now is just chirping about PP, Most Canadians don't know what he would do....But it could not be any worse than what the liberals have done in the last 11 years...

[I am Groot]

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage." - Alexander Fraser Tytler

[August1991]

20 hours ago, I am Groot said:

...

The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage." - Alexander Fraser Tytler

The Chinese would disagree.

Some English Canadians argue that we have lived through all sequences -and we still survive, like the tail of a British squirrel.

I disagree. We Canadians, like the Chinese, we get along.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

The Chinese would disagree.

The Chinese have never had a democracy.

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

Some English Canadians argue that we have lived through all sequences -and we still survive, like the tail of a British squirrel.

I disagree. We Canadians, like the Chinese, we get along.

Half the population of this country are Muslims from the Middle East, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, Indians who are Hindus and Sikhs, Sri Lankans who are Buddhists, Filipinos, Eritreans, Ethiopians, Mongolians, Nigerians, Algerians, Kenyans, Somalis, Cubans, Haitians, Jamaicans, etc. None of the people in these countries got along with each ot her, let alone anyone else. Setting foot on the magic dirt of Canada and being handed a passport is not going to change that.

Edited May 18 by I am Groot

[Nationalist]

In general, Canadians are saps. Twits. Fools. We've made a big deal out of being "nice", that we've "niced" ourselves into a nice hole.

Look around you, on this Victoria Day. A day, I would add, in celebration of a monarchy. In fact...we have a King now. Enjoy that Libbies...

I look around and see my postage stamp of a back yard and a semi-detached home...worth over $1,000,000.00 still today. How is such a thing possible, you ask? By allowing immigration on steroids...that's how.

Ya...I've benefited financially from this abuse of the nation. But we've priced our own children out of their own homes. 

Instead we have a collapsing condo market, stagnate wages due to our wonderful "new comers", crime everywhere, a province that wants to exit the county, and Dog Chow for a fcking mayor. But Hell...at least we got bike lanes...clogging up the traffic even more...

STUPIDO!

 

[LinkSoul60]

On 5/15/2026 at 12:04 PM, Army Guy said:

I think me blaming the liberals for everything has something to do with they are the party in charge for the last 11 years....They and their p[policies are responsible for our current status.....Who else are Canadians going to hold accountable....Sure blame trump and PP....it is what liberals are good at...pointing fingers at some one else...

We've had 11 years of liberals because of Harpers failures that got Trudeau elected, and the conservatives having no appealing leader since.  Them's the facts...   Why would anyone blame Poilievre...he's irrelevant.  And of course wyou wouldn't blame Trump for his attempt to break our economy with tariffs.... it's the liberals fault.

On 5/15/2026 at 12:04 PM, Army Guy said:

No, i very clear on why OUR economy is struggling, it has liberal stamp all over it....Liberals don't get to use that excuse that a small portion of our economy is struggling because of tariffs "what is it they say 85 % of our economy is tariff free..

You obviously can't comprehend what the impact of tariffs has done to the economy.  Sure, layoffs and job loses in the lumber, steel, aluminum and auto sectors is all because of the liberals.

On 5/15/2026 at 12:04 PM, Army Guy said:

Don't think the liberals get a pass about hearing about the worst PM in our history, it was after all THEM that voted for him 3 times in a row.

I'd agree Trudeau was near the top of the worst.  A good argument that Harper is the upper echelon of the worst as well.  If not for Carney, we'd have a living breathing in-office today worst ever PM in Poilievre.

On 5/15/2026 at 12:04 PM, Army Guy said:

No not just in my mind, most peoples minds, most of our allied minds most of our defense agreement partners minds, most of the world minds....It is embarrassing to have to explain to foreign people why you're nation is not a reliable allied..

I highly doubt your opinion carries any weight with our allies.  If anyone ever did listen to you I'm sure they'd have figured our you're a Conversative and Trump *ss kisser.

 

On 5/15/2026 at 12:04 PM, Army Guy said:

And to make maters worse Most Canadians are proud of that...

On the contrary....  The vast majority of Canadians are proud of there fact that we are a reliable partner.  It's you sorry ass complainers that have a problem because the conservatives can't win an election with the fools you continue to put on the stage.

On 5/15/2026 at 12:04 PM, Army Guy said:

You can almost bet on anything, what your saying now is just chirping about PP, Most Canadians don't know what he would do...

Not much to chirp about with Poilievre, other than thank goodness Carney came along and that clown isn't our PM.   If you believe a career politician with zero background in anything is qualified to run our country keep believing it.  There is a reason he lost a 27% poll lead and an election that should have been a slam dunk and continues to have unfavourable approval ratings.  A snap election today would end his career.  There likely won't be one so we get the pleasure of watching him fade into the past tense...

 

[John Johnston]

8 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

We've had 11 years of liberals because of Harpers failures that got Trudeau elected, and the conservatives having no appealing leader since.  Them's the facts...   Why would anyone blame Poilievre...he's irrelevant.  And of course wyou wouldn't blame Trump for his attempt to break our economy with tariffs.... it's the liberals fault.

You obviously can't comprehend what the impact of tariffs has done to the economy.  Sure, layoffs and job loses in the lumber, steel, aluminum and auto sectors is all because of the liberals.

I'd agree Trudeau was near the top of the worst.  A good argument that Harper is the upper echelon of the worst as well.  If not for Carney, we'd have a living breathing in-office today worst ever PM in Poilievre.

I highly doubt your opinion carries any weight with our allies.  If anyone ever did listen to you I'm sure they'd have figured our you're a Conversative and Trump *ss kisser.

 

On the contrary....  The vast majority of Canadians are proud of there fact that we are a reliable partner.  It's you sorry ass complainers that have a problem because the conservatives can't win an election with the fools you continue to put on the stage.

Not much to chirp about with Poilievre, other than thank goodness Carney came along and that clown isn't our PM.   If you believe a career politician with zero background in anything is qualified to run our country keep believing it.  There is a reason he lost a 27% poll lead and an election that should have been a slam dunk and continues to have unfavourable approval ratings.  A snap election today would end his career.  There likely won't be one so we get the pleasure of watching him fade into the past tense...

 

Milhouse's only real claim to fame is being a 25 year Trough Dweller. Other than trying to trick Canadians with a neat little make over he has accomplished nothing. That is why he continues to be a loser. Most people can see through the smoke and mirrors. However, if an actual Conservative Leader with some serious credentials comes along, then perhaps people will take another look. 

Edited 18 hours ago by John Johnston

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, John Johnston said:

Milhouse's only real claim to fame is being a 25 year Trough Dweller. Other than trying to trick Canadians with a neat little make over he has nothing nothing. that is why he continues to be a loser. Most people can see through the smoke and mirrors. However, if an actual Conservative Leader with some serious credentials comes along, then perhaps people will take another look. 

If your platform was and continues to be 'look at what the liberals did' you're not going to get elected...  I hope the next Conservative leader does have some credentials and appeal that people can get behind. That only benefits our country.

[John Johnston]

6 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

If your platform was and continues to be 'look at what the liberals did' you're not going to get elected...  I hope the next Conservative leader does have some credentials and appeal that people can get behind. That only benefits our country.

Exactly. 

[LinkSoul60]

On 5/18/2026 at 9:47 AM, Nationalist said:

In general, Canadians are saps. Twits. Fools. We've made a big deal out of being "nice", that we've "niced" ourselves into a nice hole.

Canadian's are saps, fools and this because conservatives can't find a credible leader and win an election.  Sure, go with that one... 😂

On 5/18/2026 at 9:47 AM, Nationalist said:

I look around and see my postage stamp of a back yard and a semi-detached home...worth over $1,000,000.00 still today. How is such a thing possible, you ask? By allowing immigration on steroids...that's how.

Is this a copy and past from 2013 - 2015 ish in Vancouver and Toronto housing markets?  I forget who was PM back then but do recall he was an unabashed supporter and proponent of Chinese investment in our markets that drove market prices.  

On 5/18/2026 at 9:47 AM, Nationalist said:

Instead we have a collapsing condo market, stagnate wages due to our wonderful "new comers", crime everywhere, a province that wants to exit the county, and Dog Chow for a fcking mayor. But Hell...at least we got bike lanes...clogging up the traffic even more...

Let me know when moving day is and I'll come by to help you pack and load the van.  I'll also bring directions for the quickest way to the border so you can get out of the country as quickly as possible.  Let me know... 👍

[Moonbox]

5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Let me know when moving day is and I'll come by to help you pack and load the van.  I'll also bring directions for the quickest way to the border so you can get out of the country as quickly as possible.  Let me know... 👍

I'll help too! 

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Canadian's are saps, fools and this because conservatives can't find a credible leader and win an election.  Sure, go with that one... 😂

Is this a copy and past from 2013 - 2015 ish in Vancouver and Toronto housing markets?  I forget who was PM back then but do recall he was an unabashed supporter and proponent of Chinese investment in our markets that drove market prices.  

Let me know when moving day is and I'll come by to help you pack and load the van.  I'll also bring directions for the quickest way to the border so you can get out of the country as quickly as possible.  Let me know... 👍

1. Yes that might be correct. Although I think a touch of TDS was involved in the last election. Be that as it may, Canastan desperately needs a government that isnt afraid to do what's necessary in spite of all the howling Libbies.

2. Yes, Harper did screw Canadians as well.

3. I'll be flying out. Very little packing.

7 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I'll help too! 

Not to worry. I'll be back for Dental and Healthcare.

Edited 17 hours ago by Nationalist

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

1. Yes that might be correct. Although I think a touch of TDS was involved in the last election. Be that as it may, Canastan desperately needs a government that isnt afraid to do what's necessary in spite of all the howling Libbies.

2. Yes, Haper did screw Canadians as well.

3. I'll be flying out. Very little packing.

When someone is trying to break your economy you'd think that logically most people would take offence to that and vote for someone they believe can deal with the child.  Trump Dick Sucking (TDS) is a right wing thing, not liberal.

Yes he did...

Buckle your seat belt and safe travels...  The offer from Moonbox and I still stands though if you need us 👋

[John Johnston]

12 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

1. Yes that might be correct. Although I think a touch of TDS was involved in the last election. Be that as it may, Canastan desperately needs a government that isnt afraid to do what's necessary in spite of all the howling Libbies.

2. Yes, Harper did screw Canadians as well.

3. I'll be flying out. Very little packing.

Not to worry. I'll be back for Dental and Healthcare.

I hear Trailers in Florida are going cheap these days. Maybe you would be happier there?

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

When someone is trying to break your economy you'd think that logically most people would take offence to that and vote for someone they believe can deal with the child.  Trump Dick Sucking (TDS) is a right wing thing, not liberal.

Yes he did...

Buckle your seat belt and safe travels...  The offer from Moonbox and I still stands though if you need us 👋

I remember when Trump did his tariff thing. I remember commenting that I figured the carney was a business associate of Trump's and couldn't be trusted.

Yet you silly buggars fell for "Elbows Up" like lemmings. The carney has caved over and over. And why? Because he's a bought and paid for stooge who doesn't give a rat's ass about Canadians.

7 minutes ago, John Johnston said:

I hear Trailers in Florida are going cheap these days. Maybe you would be happier there?

Lol...

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, Nationalist said:

I remember when Trump did his tariff thing. I remember commenting that I figured the carney was a business associate of Trump's and couldn't be trusted.

Yet you silly buggars fell for "Elbows Up" like lemmings. The carney has caved over and over. And why? Because he's a bought and paid for stooge who doesn't give a rat's ass about Canadians.

With Carney's background at GS and Brookfield I'm sure their paths did cross somewhere along the line in business interests.  I do find it comical though that his resume means he can't be trusted when it is arguably the most accomplished resume a PM has ever had.  

Only a fool would believe that a career politician with no background other than being a paperboy and Telus phone solicitor is more qualified.  Funny enough, there's lot of fools and hacks who do believe that  😂

 

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

when it is arguably the most accomplished resume a PM has ever had.  

 

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

there's lot of fools and hacks who do believe that

You're foolish if you think a resume automatically means the person is intelligent or able.

You're demonstrating exactly what just posted about Liberal cheerleaders.  You care about a resume.  You don't care about results.

The UK is still digging out form his bad policies there.  He should have known better than to do the same crap when he got here.

Poilievre warned that printing money, overspending and borrowing would lead to inflation and economic hardship for ordinary Canadians.  Carney said it would not.

Carney's been the economic advisor to the Liberal government sine 2020(?).....what we see now in Canada has been done under HIS advisement.

Your guy's resume is nothing but fabricated hype.

He's great at hiding money for the parasite class, getting around slavery laws and ignoring indigenous rights, driving economies into the ground while increasing his Brookfield shares.

Results count, dumba$$.  Wake up.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

With Carney's background at GS and Brookfield I'm sure their paths did cross somewhere along the line in business interests.  I do find it comical though that his resume means he can't be trusted when it is arguably the most accomplished resume a PM has ever had.  

Only a fool would believe that a career politician with no background other than being a paperboy and Telus phone solicitor is more qualified.  Funny enough, there's lot of fools and hacks who do believe that  😂

 

A lot of Brits would disagree that this common carney is nothing but a globalist monkey.

As for your critique of Poilievre, I would remind you that before Trump was elected, he was way way ahead in polls. Looks like TDS kicked in and you twits bought the whole "Elbows Up" chickenshit. Since then, the carney has stolen ideas directly from Poilievre and cowered before Trump.

Now Canastan is a mess.

But hey...you id1ots sure showed us "fascist conservatives", eh?

What a fckin disaster.

Edited 15 hours ago by Nationalist

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

As for your critique of Poilievre,

If only we hadn't banned straws, they might have one to grasp at.

They really believe Poilievre's jobs as a teenager are important.  It's a major talking point for them.

Interestingly, Carney was also a paperboy as a kid.  And a landscaping laborer in the summers.

Carney spent his adult years building a Net Zero fantasy that is now failing all over the world & developed skills in transferring public money into his Brookfield shares & learned how to hide wealth in off-shore tax havens & figuring out ways to make the system work for the ultra-wealthy.

Not sure how any of that benefits Canadians.🤔

Poilivre spent his adult life studying the Canadian political system, history of governments - what works and what doesn't - & figuring out ways to make the system work for ordinary people.

Yet the Libbies think none of those skills are valuable.

Stoopid.

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

If only we hadn't banned straws, they might have one to grasp at.

They really believe Poilievre's jobs as a teenager are important.  It's a major talking point for them.

Interestingly, Carney was also a paperboy as a kid.  And a landscaping laborer in the summers.

Carney spent his adult years building a Net Zero fantasy that is now failing all over the world & developed skills in transferring public money into his Brookfield shares & learned how to hide wealth in off-shore tax havens & figuring out ways to make the system work for the ultra-wealthy.

Not sure how any of that benefits Canadians.🤔

Poilivre spent his adult life studying the Canadian political system, history of governments - what works and what doesn't - & figuring out ways to make the system work for ordinary people.

Yet the Libbies think none of those skills are valuable.

Stoopid.

Meh...I dont believe a word these silly goofs say. No kidding...its insane. The carney has a good resume? Pfft...lemmings.

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

You're foolish if you think a resume automatically means the person is intelligent or able.

You're just simply foolish.  That said, you don't build the resume he has if you are not capable and carry a high degree of intelligence.  If your bias thinks otherwise, have at it and keep cheering for the guy with no resume.

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

They really believe Poilievre's jobs as a teenager are important.

It's all he's done so need to call it like it is.

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

Interestingly, Carney was also a paperboy as a kid.  And a landscaping laborer in the summers.

Yes, but he added to his resume.  Some didn't...

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

Carney spent his adult years building a Net Zero fantasy that is now failing all over the world & developed skills in transferring public money into his Brookfield shares & learned how to hide wealth in off-shore tax havens & figuring out ways to make the system work for the ultra-wealthy.

Cite your source for the transfer of public money into his shares (which in itself doesn't make any sense).  Also cite your source for his hidden wealth.  My bet is you can do either...

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

Not sure how any of that benefits Canadians.

An economic doctorate, a financial background, a vast network of contacts in the capital markets, and relationships with country leaders.  Yes, I can see how that would fly over your head with not seeing any benefits...

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

Poilivre spent his adult life studying the Canadian political system, history of governments - what works and what doesn't - & figuring out ways to make the system work for ordinary people.

He's clearly failed in turning the so-called studying hasn't into reality hasn't he...

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

Yet the Libbies think none of those skills are valuable.

Correct, and neither does the majority of Canadians.

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

Stoopid.

Yes you are.

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

A lot of Brits would disagree that this common carney is nothing but a globalist monkey.

As for your critique of Poilievre, I would remind you that before Trump was elected, he was way way ahead in polls. Looks like TDS kicked in and you twits bought the whole "Elbows Up" chickenshit. Since then, the carney has stolen ideas directly from Poilievre and cowered before Trump.

Now Canastan is a mess.

But hey...you id1ots sure showed us "fascist conservatives", eh?

What a fckin disaster.

Not saying a lot for Poilievre if a monkey can shame him...  Ouch

Conservative Premiers seem to be liking Carney a lot.  Odd isn't it... 😂

 

 

[Goddess]

Carney’s danger is not that he lacks credentials. It is that his credentials are exactly the kind Canada’s establishment mistakes for a solution.  And credentials like his are exactly how we got into this mess.

He is a master of The Con, capital flows, climate-finance language, building wealth for the already wealthy, siphoning off public funds to finance his Brookfield shares and elite institutional capture.

But Canada’s crisis is material: houses not built, projects not approved, ships not delivered, productivity not rising, debt not controlled, regions not connected, and voters not convinced that government works for them.

His plan asks Canadians to believe the machine can be fixed by giving the exact same polished operators more power, more money, and more time.

The answer should be NO.

Canada does not need a saviour from the global managerial class. It needs a government that can build without capture, spend with discretion, approve projects without paralysis, defend without theatre, and grow without hiding costs inside technocratic language.

[eyeball]

On 5/9/2026 at 12:12 PM, I am Groot said:

This is how you guys on the far fringes of the Left act all the time.

Is it fair to say you think everyone who isn't a conservative is a far-fringe lefty - there's no steps in-between, no gradient other than near-horizontal to near-vertical?

[eyeball]

On 5/10/2026 at 6:24 AM, I am Groot said:

The mainstream of the party doesn't understand how to fight the battle for balanced budgets and preserving the nation when half the population pays no income tax

The mainstream of the party, like any other right-wing party's mainstream, have always fought the battle for the under-taxed 1%. The wealth/income gap between the rich and the un-rich in Canada has always grown bigger in the absence of a genuine left-wing government.