User Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: That's interesting 'cause... You can’t honestly think that posting a bunch of random YouTube videos proves anything. Quote
Legato Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: That's interesting 'cause... The "just some guy"...who was in the highest levels of government not too long ago... And this is amusing... Now...you and I both know, as do most of us, that the primary news media is controlled by...outside forces. If half of this reporting is true, things are not getting better for "our side". Maybe "our side" should extricate itself from this mess? most of that if not all is AI generated. Look at the arm movements and the monotone voices. No Turkish missiles fired at Israel. One missile hit Haifa on April 5th. Quote
Nationalist Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 26 minutes ago, User said: You can’t honestly think that posting a bunch of random YouTube videos proves anything. You cant possibly believe what the msm is telling you is the truth? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 Just now, Nationalist said: You cant possibly believe what the msm is telling you is the truth? Did I make any claims from the msm here to be challenged? No. You are the one pushing BS that you can’t actually back up with anything of substance. Quote
Nationalist Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 26 minutes ago, Legato said: most of that if not all is AI generated. Look at the arm movements and the monotone voices. No Turkish missiles fired at Israel. One missile hit Haifa on April 5th. Ya...im not interested in what CNN or FOX say. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Legato Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 Just now, Nationalist said: Ya...im not interested in what CNN or FOX say. Neither am I. Quote
Nationalist Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 1 minute ago, User said: Did I make any claims from the msm here to be challenged? No. You are the one pushing BS that you can’t actually back up with anything of substance. If its such BS, why is the internet rife with the same story? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted April 15 Report Posted April 15 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: Be honest. There were permanent trade barriers with Russia, even before the Ukrainian gov't was overthrown in an American-led coup. Be honest, your claim was not a very specific niche about particular barriers. There was no American led coup. Another of your lies you parrot from Russian propaganda. 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Russia's war against Ukraine is entirely legitimate. The deaths of all the Ukrainian and Russian soldiers was already a foregone conclusion when Ukraine made that commitment. Zelensky chose this war. Legitimate… how? Your entire argument is based on lies. Russia chose this war. They started it. 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: If its such BS, why is the internet rife with the same story? “The internet” isn’t. There is a small subset of people like you that mindlessly repeat this stuff on social media or other venues like YouTube. That doesn’t make it true. Quote
WestCanMan Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 4 hours ago, User said: Be honest, your claim was not a very specific niche about particular barriers. Be honest, the US and Russia never had real trade relations. Europe was interested in oil and natural gas, that's it. Quote There was no American led coup. Another of your lies you parrot from Russian propaganda. There were Republican and Democrat American senators there at Euromaidan giving speeches to the protesters. Victoria Nuland was also there handing out food. That's not support? You don't think they threw some money into it? (You don't think the Dems get their supporters to organize and fund Antifa riots, BLM riots, and anti-ICE riots?) The Americans were threatening Kyiv with sanctions repeatedly. Joe Biden was doing that. Wouldn't that be weird if US senators were here giving speeches during the Freedom Convoy protests? Would that seem like there was some kind of "involvement from the US gov't"? Quote Legitimate… how? Your entire argument is based on lies. Look up, turd. Stop playing games. You know for a fact that the US was working those protests. You'd have to be a complete ret4rd to think that they were sending senators there, from both parties, to urge on the rioters, but they weren't sending money. It's like you've never heard of the USA before now. Quote Russia chose this war. They started it. Russia had no choice but go to war. NATO was inexorably grinding their way to Russia's front door. All that was left to do was establish the final red line. If you only think ahead ten minutes at a time, sure, there was no need for war. Employ your goldfish defence of NATO's actions, and go vote for the Libs, because that's how far they see too. But if you think in terms of generations, and centuries, then what NATO did was way too much. FYI I was a NATO soldier. When I was training, it was to fight Russians. That's it. Al Qaeda and the Taliban weren't even on our radar as warfighters. Maybe for CIA spooks, or CSIS, but not for us. We did recognition briefings on Russian fighter planes, ships, and subs, and no one else's. Not Iran's, not India's, not even China's. Just Russia. And that's in case they were in our waters, not so that we'd know which ship was which when we were going in and out of their f'ing harbours. I'm not looking at this as a trivia question from a faraway land like you are. I grew up thinking that Russia was an enemy to us, and now I see that it is us that is an enemy of theirs. I imagined that one day we might be repelling an invasion of some kind, not going over there to kill people. If I was still in the military, I'd be out now, and there would be war if MP's came to get me back in. I just have no desire to go to Europe and kill Russians for Tory Nuland and Barack Obama. Quote There is a small subset of people like you That don't just watch CBC or CNN and repeat their propaganda verbatim. When CBC and CNN are talking, they're lying. There's basically nothing on either channel that's true or accurate. That is never their goal. Their only goal is to control how you think, and sometimes they win. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Goddess Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 On 4/14/2026 at 4:57 PM, Nationalist said: Yup. Like flogging a dead horse. But good on him for the border thing. Something is going on there with the Hungarian guy...... Did the EU get duped? He announced he is not only keeping the border wall, he's reinforcing it. He went on the government paid for national broadcaster and not only told them off, live, on air, he told them he was shutting them down. He announced he's not going to do about 90% of what the EU tells him to do. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Hodad Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 5 hours ago, Nationalist said: If its such BS, why is the internet rife with the same story? The internet isn't "rife" with it. You search for it. You are algorithmically spook fed it. It's called confirmation bias. And it's quite dangerous for people who don't know how the internet works or how to vet information. The internet helps all kinds of kooks find each other, creating their own alternate realities and creating the false impression that they are so crazy after all. Unfortunately, they are that crazy, and would benefit from a world that told them as much. The difference between you and the crazy Q-Anon kooks standing outside overnight waiting for JFK and Jesus to return from the dead is that you didn't search for that particular bit of insanity. You searched for something else instead. Quote
Hodad Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 8 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Be honest. There were permanent trade barriers with Russia, even before the Ukrainian gov't was overthrown in an American-led coup. There were permanent trade barriers with Russia when Zelensky took office, and immediately reaffirmed Ukraine's commitment to the 2019 constitutional amendment that made joining NATO a strategic goal. Russia's war against Ukraine is entirely legitimate. The deaths of all the Ukrainian and Russian soldiers was already a foregone conclusion when Ukraine made that commitment. Zelensky chose this war. Zelensky chose for all these deaths to occur by openly advocating for Ukraine to ally themselves with people hundreds and even several thousands of miles away instead of at least remaining neutral towards his own neighour. Key Warnings Throughout the Years: 1997–1998 (Mid-1990s): George Kennan, the architect of the US Cold War containment policy, warned in 1997 and 1998 that expanding NATO was a "fateful error" that would start a new Cold War and lead to an adverse Russian reaction. In 1997, 50 prominent foreign policy experts signed an open letter to President Clinton calling the expansion a "policy error of historic proportions". 2007: Vladimir Putin stated at the Munich Security Conference that NATO expansion was a "serious provocation" that reduced trust. 2008: Following the Bucharest summit where NATO stated Ukraine "will become members," US diplomat William J. Burns (now CIA Director) famously warned in a memo that "Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin)". 2014-2022: Following the annexation of Crimea, many analysts argued that the ongoing push for NATO-Ukraine ties was a "needless provocation" that directly violated what Russia considered its "vital national interests". You keep on acting surprised by the start of this war, and saying that I make all this stuff up myself, or that I just don't know what I'm talking about, but this war, this consequence of NATO aggression, has been well and truly understood for GENERATIONS. All of these deaths were a CONSCIOUS DECISION that was made by the US and parroted by Vladimir Zelensky, may God have mercy on his traitorous soul (just kidding: f-him). ^^This is completely asinine. Your starting premise is that it is right, fair and just for Putin to dictate how their neighbors trade, how they model their government and with whom they ally themselves. And if Russia's neighbors don't do as it says, they are forcing Russia to attack them. Are you, by any chance, a wife beater? It's a fact that Russia is a greedy, threatening, menacing neighbor. It is a fact that Ukraine did not want to be annexed by by Russia, and so sought trade and DEFENSIVE alliance with like minded nations. It is a fact that Russia's aggression validated exactly the expressed fear. There is nobody to blame for this war buy Putin. In the past year, Trump has waged economic warfare on Canada. He has also threatened allies with military force. Is the US a good neighbor to Canada right now? Or are we abusive and menacing? Should Canada be free to form new trade alliances in light of US hostility? Or is Canada "forcing" Trump to invade Canada? If you were afraid your sketchy neighbor was casing your house and you bought a gun for self protection, are you forcing your neighbor to attack you and steal your things? When you are trying to protect yourself from your neighbor, are you starting a war? Are you causing your own robbery by trying to protect yourself from a robbery? Your attitude is bizarre. Quote
User Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 7 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Be honest, the US and Russia never had real trade relations. Europe was interested in oil and natural gas, that's it. Once again, your original assertion was not that there were not "real" trade relations. Europe was in fact trading with Russia before the war, as their largest trading partner. 7 hours ago, WestCanMan said: That's not support? See, this is the dumb, dishonest game you play. You asserted it was an American-led coup. Now you move the goal posts to another universe and are talking about general support for protestors. 7 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Look up, turd. Stop playing games. The only one playing games here is you with how you lie about an "American-led coup" 7 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Russia had no choice but go to war. NATO was inexorably grinding their way to Russia's front door. All that was left to do was establish the final red line. You continue these absurd characterizations. NATO was not "grinding" anywhere. Nations choose to join and NATO chooses to accept. It is a defensive alliance. They were already on Russia's border for decades. 7 hours ago, WestCanMan said: If I was still in the military, I'd be out now, and there would be war if MP's came to get me back in. I just have no desire to go to Europe and kill Russians for Tory Nuland and Barack Obama. No one is being sent to kill Russians now. NATO is a defensive alliance. You sit here talking about training to fight Russians... IF THEY ATTACK. 7 hours ago, WestCanMan said: That don't just watch CBC or CNN and repeat their propaganda verbatim. When CBC and CNN are talking, they're lying. There's basically nothing on either channel that's true or accurate. That is never their goal. Their only goal is to control how you think, and sometimes they win. Once again, I did not come here with any assertions citing the CBC or CNN. These absurdly outlandish and false claims were made by Nationalists, to which he proved he couldn't back up and finally started to admit he was wrong about. Quote
WestCanMan Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 8 hours ago, User said: Once again, your original assertion was not that there were not "real" trade relations. Europe was in fact trading with Russia before the war, as their largest trading partner. It is EXACTLY like I said: The US didn't have much for trade relations with Russia, and Europe was only interested in Russia's energy products and resources. Everyone buys their vodka. Quote See, this is the dumb, dishonest game you play. You asserted it was an American-led coup. Now you move the goal posts to another universe and are talking about general support for protestors. It was AMERICAN-LED, 100%. Their high-level politicians were speaking directly to the crowds. Just because they didn't write cheques while they were standing on the stage doesn't mean that they weren't organizing and funding them. Of course the US was doing that. Even with zero evidence at all you would still know that they were there pulling strings. But they had sitting SENATORS there, motivating the protesters to keep fighting, making big promises about security and trade, and threatening the Ukrainian gov't. I'm not sure what you think the definition of leadership is, but that was clearly "leadership". And "support". Quote The only one playing games here is you with how you lie about an "American-led coup" Grow up, ffs. Quote You continue these absurd characterizations. NATO was not "grinding" anywhere. Nations choose to join and NATO chooses to accept. It is a defensive alliance. They were already on Russia's border for decades. NATO is not "defensive". FYI using a proxy to fight a bloody war is not "defensive". You lie like a leftist now. You're just gaslighting. Quote No one is being sent to kill Russians now. NATO is a defensive alliance. Missiles and drones are being sent there to kill Russians you m0r0n. It's a proxy-war. Did you miss the memo? Quote You sit here talking about training to fight Russians... IF THEY ATTACK. That's what we did, back when we were ostensibly a defensive alliance. But that is no longer the case. Quote Once again, I did not come here with any assertions citing the CBC or CNN. These absurdly outlandish and false claims were made by Nationalists, to which he proved he couldn't back up and finally started to admit he was wrong about. CBC and CNN totally run the "Russia's fault" narrative. There are even people saying that "Russia's goal is to take over Ukraine Ukraine and then continue on a war of expansion." They can barely gain ground against Ukraine alone, but somehow you all apparently think he's on his way to the west coast of Europe lol. Your i10cy knows no bounds. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
WestCanMan Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 (edited) (AI search) Whether the Russia-Ukraine war is a proxy war is a subject of intense debate. Many experts and officials define it as a proxy war between Russia and the West/NATO, with Ukraine serving as the battleground, as Western powers provide significant arms, intelligence, and financial support to weaken Russia. Look, dummy: A proxy war is a conflict where major powers support opposite sides (states or non-state actors) to advance their own strategic interests without fighting each other directly. These external powers provide funding, weapons, and training to their proxies, allowing them to undermine rivals while avoiding direct, large-scale confrontation. And this: (AI search) Claims that Britain, specifically former Prime Minister Boris Johnson, prevented Ukraine from accepting a peace deal with Russia in 2022 have been primarily made by Russian officials, certain Ukrainian negotiators, and some Western commentators. These claims argue that during a visit to Kyiv in April 2022, Johnson urged Ukraine to abandon negotiations and continue fighting. If Ukrainian negotiators are saying that "Britain wouldn't allow Ukraine to sign a peace deal", what does that tell you? Edited April 16 by WestCanMan Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Hodad Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 3 hours ago, WestCanMan said: CBC and CNN totally run the "Russia's fault" narrative. There are even people saying that "Russia's goal is to take over Ukraine Ukraine and then continue on a war of expansion." People are saying that. One of them is Vladimir Putin. "Peter the Great waged the Great Northern War for 21 years... He did not take anything from them, he returned [what was Russia's]... Apparently, it is also our lot to return and strengthen." — The Guardian "I have said many times that I consider the Russian and Ukrainian peoples to be one people. In this sense, all of Ukraine is ours." — DW News Quote
Nationalist Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 (edited) 20 hours ago, Goddess said: Something is going on there with the Hungarian guy...... Did the EU get duped? He announced he is not only keeping the border wall, he's reinforcing it. He went on the government paid for national broadcaster and not only told them off, live, on air, he told them he was shutting them down. He announced he's not going to do about 90% of what the EU tells him to do. Huh. Makes me proud to be part Hun. Edited April 16 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 (edited) 21 hours ago, Hodad said: The internet isn't "rife" with it. You search for it. You are algorithmically spook fed it. It's called confirmation bias. And it's quite dangerous for people who don't know how the internet works or how to vet information. The internet helps all kinds of kooks find each other, creating their own alternate realities and creating the false impression that they are so crazy after all. Unfortunately, they are that crazy, and would benefit from a world that told them as much. The difference between you and the crazy Q-Anon kooks standing outside overnight waiting for JFK and Jesus to return from the dead is that you didn't search for that particular bit of insanity. You searched for something else instead. Its crazy...how the media can lie to you so much that you know they lie to you... But on this subject...total acquiesce. Hook line and sinker. Meh...you believe the medium that gave us Donna LeMon...I'll believe the one that gave us Joe Rogan. Edited April 16 by Nationalist 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Goddess Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Its crazy...how the media can lie to you so much that you know they lie to you... But on this subject...total acquiesce. Hook line and sinker. Meh...you believe the medium that gave us Donna LeMon...I'll believe the one that gave us Joe Rogan. The algorithms only spook feed Conservatives. (whatever spook feed is.) Only Liberals get unbiased news. They pay big dollars for it. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Nationalist Posted April 16 Report Posted April 16 21 hours ago, Hodad said: It is a fact that Ukraine did not want to be annexed by by Russia, and so sought trade and DEFENSIVE alliance with like minded nations. It is a fact that Russia's aggression validated exactly the expressed fear. This is not true. It is not a fact that Ukraine did not want to be...allied with Russia. Had it been true, there would not have been resistance and conflict in the eastern provinces. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
WestCanMan Posted April 17 Report Posted April 17 3 hours ago, Hodad said: People are saying that. One of them is Vladimir Putin. "Peter the Great waged the Great Northern War for 21 years... He did not take anything from them, he returned [what was Russia's]... Apparently, it is also our lot to return and strengthen." — The Guardian "I have said many times that I consider the Russian and Ukrainian peoples to be one people. In this sense, all of Ukraine is ours." — DW News OMG, dummy. You can't point to France on a map, can you... Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Hodad Posted April 17 Report Posted April 17 22 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: OMG, dummy. You can't point to France on a map, can you... That's a strange non-sequitur response to being embarrassingly wrong. Putin absolutely has ambitions to expand. He expected to take Ukraine quickly. A far more credible threat before the world discovered Russia is a paper tiger. Quote
Hodad Posted April 17 Report Posted April 17 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Its crazy...how the media can lie to you so much that you know they lie to you... But on this subject...total acquiesce. Hook line and sinker. Meh...you believe the medium that gave us Donna LeMon...I'll believe the one that gave us Joe Rogan. You really could not have done a better job of making my point if you set out to do so. Joe Rogan? Jeebus. Quote
User Posted April 17 Report Posted April 17 3 hours ago, Nationalist said: This is not true. It is not a fact that Ukraine did not want to be...allied with Russia. Had it been true, there would not have been resistance and conflict in the eastern provinces. Pointing to some small subset of people is not "Ukraine" wanting to be annexed. 3 hours ago, Nationalist said: Its crazy...how the media can lie to you so much that you know they lie to you... But on this subject...total acquiesce. Hook line and sinker. Meh...you believe the medium that gave us Donna LeMon...I'll believe the one that gave us Joe Rogan. And yet you have made at least 3 different false assertions on this thread, trying to back it up over and over again with whatever random YouTube videos you can find. You have no room to talk about being lied to when you are on here spreading lies. Quote
Nationalist Posted April 17 Report Posted April 17 9 hours ago, Hodad said: You really could not have done a better job of making my point if you set out to do so. Joe Rogan? Jeebus. And you've made mine. Thank you. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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