Reg Volk Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 1 Quote As Democrat and Liberal governments fall, Republicans and Conservatives come to the rescue.
Nationalist Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: OMFG 😂😂 So the Russian war is 'legal' and the war against Iran is illegal. 😂😂😭🤣🥳 Amusing eh? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Reg Volk Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 These Iranians are so disrespectful to the hordes of blue-haired two-ton liberal white women out there who know more than they do about how they should be living their lives in Iran. How rude! Quote As Democrat and Liberal governments fall, Republicans and Conservatives come to the rescue.
herbie Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 21 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I understand your point, but captain and crew of IRIS Dena knew damn well they were at war and a legitimate target as a warship You know their intentions do you? They weren't heading to Sri Lanka to sit out the war or anything, eh? Wanna justify blowing up a supply ship anywhere in the world? No justification works while half Trump's staff runs around claiming it's not a war. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 (edited) 4 minutes ago, herbie said: You know their intentions do you? They weren't heading to Sri Lanka to sit out the war or anything, eh? Wanna justify blowing up a supply ship anywhere in the world? No justification works while half Trump's staff runs around claiming it's not a war. It's not just a Trump thing...any enemy warship is a legitimate target. Hell, Iran wanted to destroy merchant vessels and cargo ships as well by arming Houthi rebels long before the present state of "war". IRIS Dena should have sailed to a neutral port and sat things out if they were so inclined. Duty requires otherwise...they were expected to join the fight...and they did. Edited March 5 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cougar Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 On 2/28/2026 at 8:06 PM, Hodad said: This rift is tragic, but it's not Carney's fault, it's Trump's. If it is just Trump's, I can wait for him to be gone and things must go back to normal. The problem is he was elected by the majority. Nobody held him accountable or kicked him out for any of the many crimes or blunders he's done so far. Now even the senate supports him in a war that is against international laws. We have a much bigger problem here than the old rag. Something that will last after him. Quote
Hodad Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 1 minute ago, cougar said: If it is just Trump's, I can wait for him to be gone and things must go back to normal. The problem is he was elected by the majority. Nobody held him accountable or kicked him out for any of the many crimes or blunders he's done so far. Now even the senate supports him in a war that is against international laws. We have a much bigger problem here than the old rag. Something that will last after him. He won 49.8% of the votes cast. While that in itself is alarming, I like to think the fact that he couldn't manage a majority means there's still hope for us. That if we ever get to hold another fair and free election, we have a chance to redeem ourselves. Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Slept with Mk14, Mk37 and Mk48 torpedoes for years...only fired exercise variants for training and certification. Remember...these weapons can fail and destroy own ship...serious business. We had the Mk 46's on the ship I was on. Nasty little guys that could go down and hunt subs autonomously. I don't know anything about those other ones you mentioned. I hear ya about the sunken ships. If I was in a naval battle of course I would go all out to kill or be killed, but I also find that as a fellow sailor, I empathize with the people whose Russian and Iranian ships were sunk lately. "There, but for the grace of God, go my shipmates and I." Oh yeah, and the idea of being on a sub that got sunk? Super-terrifying. Arguably one of the very worst ways to do. I would wanna be right there where the explosion happened, not trapped. 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Nationalist Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, Hodad said: He won 49.8% of the votes cast. While that in itself is alarming, I like to think the fact that he couldn't manage a majority means there's still hope for us. That if we ever get to hold another fair and free election, we have a chance to redeem ourselves. With who? AOC? Newsome? Good luck with that. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 43 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: We had the Mk 46's on the ship I was on. Nasty little guys that could go down and hunt subs autonomously. I don't know anything about those other ones you mentioned. Yes...the MK 46 is/was the most widely produced torpedo in the west/world (about 25,000 produced so far)...many allied nations use them for anti-submarine warfare. Even Iran has some of them. Very capable as a lightweight torpedo and can be launched from many sea and air platforms. Once it locks on and enters terminal homing, the game is over. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
herbie Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: It's not just a Trump thing...any enemy warship is a legitimate target. Hell, Iran wanted to destroy Are they an "enemy" without a declaration of war. Justifying what your doing by what someone else might have done? That what the USA is reduced to? Shame! Sinking ships because you WANT TO, because you CAN, because bo one can stop you. Preaching morality while standing in a bucket of shit. A warning shot, a demand to surrender? No. Acting like a state of total war was declared. No former President would have pulled shit like this off. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 (edited) 22 minutes ago, herbie said: Are they an "enemy" without a declaration of war. Yes..they are...the U.S. has not made a formal declaration of war since WW2. Quote No former President would have pulled shit like this off. I disagree, if only because there were/are many ways to damage or destroy enemy ships, and several U.S. presidents have done so in the past without any declaration of war. Also..it works both ways...here is the bomb blast hole in the side of USS Cole (DDG-67) from the year 2000. Seventeen U.S. sailors were killed and many others wounded. No "war" was declared. Edited March 6 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
gatomontes99 Posted March 6 Author Report Posted March 6 Comedy gold Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
herbie Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 17 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Also..it works both ways...here is the bomb blast hole in the side of USS Cole (DDG-67) from the year 2000. I could post a pic of a tree that fell on my canoe 25 years ago that's equally relevant. So now the braggart Bossman is demanding unconditional surrender to end the war that's not a war. Outdoing Putin's demands on Ukraine. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 6 minutes ago, herbie said: I could post a pic of a tree that fell on my canoe 25 years ago that's equally relevant. Sure, if the iranians cut down the tree Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
herbie Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 The wind did. So I guess that justifies sending the Death Star now 25+ years later because it was Mother Nature's fault. You're almost as bad at reasoning as Deluge Quote
eyeball Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 21 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I will say that there is no wholesale joy in sending fellow sailors to the bottom, because we know that could be our fate as well. I can see how cold blooded murder might do that. Just driving away and leaving it up to another country to deal with survivors kinda underscores the indifference. They could have at least tried to render some basic sort of assistance once the hostilities had ceased. Isn't that a rule or something? It's not like this happened in a pitched battle between two fleets. I'm surprised the sub didn't surface and machine gun the survivors just for good measure or would that have been where it crossed a line? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 39 minutes ago, eyeball said: I can see how cold blooded murder might do that. Just driving away and leaving it up to another country to deal with survivors kinda underscores the indifference. Sure war is the same thing as murder. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 Quote They could have at least tried to render some basic sort of assistance once the hostilities had ceased. Isn't that a rule or something? It's not like this happened in a pitched battle between two fleets. Absolutely not a rule or anything, and would be insanely stupid to expose the submarine during a conflict which was still going on. I don't think that's ever happened in the history of naval warfare Quote I'm surprised the sub didn't surface and machine gun the survivors just for good measure or would that have been where it crossed a line? That's because it's what you would do if you were in charge of the submarine and you were fighting the Jewish. That doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same way when they're fighting the Muslims Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
WestCanMan Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 42 minutes ago, eyeball said: I can see how cold blooded murder might do that. Just driving away and leaving it up to another country to deal with survivors kinda underscores the indifference. They could have at least tried to render some basic sort of assistance once the hostilities had ceased. Isn't that a rule or something? It's not like this happened in a pitched battle between two fleets. I'm surprised the sub didn't surface and machine gun the survivors just for good measure or would that have been where it crossed a line? The location of American subs is top secret. For a US sub to surface and give up its location during a war is an unacceptable risk. It's not like this happened in the Atlantic, with the nearest ship 3 hrs away, in water that's 4°C. It happened in warm water with hundreds of ships just minutes away 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 2 hours ago, herbie said: I could post a pic of a tree that fell on my canoe 25 years ago that's equally relevant. So now the braggart Bossman is demanding unconditional surrender to end the war that's not a war. Outdoing Putin's demands on Ukraine. And I could post a video of a torpedoed frigate from this week and it would be equally relevant. The U.S. does not declare wars, because it doesn't have to, regardless of who is president. Hell, Canada doesn't do it either...but still goes to war (e.g. Afghanistan). History will need a name for this Iranian beat down, just like all the others...maybe follow precedent...nothing fancy: Korean War Vietnam War Gulf War Afghanistan War Kosovo War Iraq War Libyan War Syrian War >>>> Iranian War (has a nice ring to it) Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 1 hour ago, eyeball said: They could have at least tried to render some basic sort of assistance once the hostilities had ceased. Isn't that a rule or something? It's not like this happened in a pitched battle between two fleets. Not a rule. The hostilities had/have not ceased, and no nuclear sub commander is going to surface or broach to render aid, exposing own ship to counterfire and disclosing presence/position. Hell, there aren't even enough life rafts for the whole sub crew to survive in the water. Quote I'm surprised the sub didn't surface and machine gun the survivors just for good measure or would that have been where it crossed a line? Subs don't have provision for such things, just small arms for security watches and repel boarders drills...and shooting sharks during swim call. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
herbie Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 5 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: And I could Continually bring up anything vaguely related to terrorism in an attempt to justify this war. You can't. One person and a tight handful of lackeys started it. neither Congress nor the public support it nor do any UN nor NATO allies. But don't get the idea I'[m not enjoying watching the mullahs get blown yo ratshit. And it seemed to piush those stories of the teens who testified they were raped by Trump out of the headlines like he hoped. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 (edited) 19 minutes ago, herbie said: Continually bring up anything vaguely related to terrorism in an attempt to justify this war. You can't. One person and a tight handful of lackeys started it. neither Congress nor the public support it nor do any UN nor NATO allies. No need to justify this war...or any other. It just is, whether you accept that reality or not. The United States has repeatedly damaged or destroyed foreign naval assets regardless of a "declaration of war". Example: President Reagan did it to Iran back in 1988...no war declared: Operation Praying Mantis Quote April 18, 1988, the U.S. Navy destroyed two Iranian oil platforms, sunk one frigate and a missile boat, crippled a second frigate, destroyed at least three armed speedboats, and drove off Iranian F-4 Phantom jets with missile fire. In just a few hours, American forces obliterated nearly half of Iran's operational fleet. https://www.military.com/daily-news/investigations-and-features/2026/02/04/operation-praying-mantis-time-america-decimated-irans-navy.html Edited March 7 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 23 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: No need to justify this war...or any other. It just is, whether you accept that reality or not. Where did the Framers incorporate nihilism into your Constitution again? I must have missed it. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Where did the Framers incorporate nihilism into your Constitution again? I must have missed it. 1776 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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