Good Lord

[Deluge]

I'm stunned that the majority of New Yorkers signed off on this:

 

Edited January 26 by Deluge

[Chrissy1979]

It’s not 5 am in the video, and it’s not even Manhattan.

They have allowed an afternoon call to prayer in NY since 2023 though. Well before Mamdami.

Edited January 26 by Chrissy1979

[Legato]

7 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

It’s not 5 am in the video, and it’s not even Manhattan.

Legal and Social Context:

Conflicts with Noise Bylaws: In many locations, loudspeakers used for the Adhan violate city noise ordinances, particularly during early morning hours.

Exceptions: In a notable exception, Minneapolis became the first major U.S. city to allow for the 24-hour broadcasting of the Adhan in 2025.

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, Chrissy1979 said:

It’s not 5 am in the video, and it’s not even Manhattan.

They have allowed an afternoon call to prayer in NY since 2023 though. Well before Mamdami.

OK, so maybe that clip is inaccurate.

The point is New Yorkers have been hearing the call to bend the knee before Allah since 2023, which is even more disturbing.  

And you can bet your a$$ Mamdani WILL be blaring those calls in Manhattan sooner rather than later. 

Mamdani is not off the hook. He is never off the hook. Investigations on this Jesus hating socialist need to be made. 

Edited January 26 by Deluge

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

It’s not 5 am in the video, and it’s not even Manhattan.

They have allowed an afternoon call to prayer in NY since 2023 though. Well before Mamdami.

I, for one, would not want to hear that nonsense blasted out over loudspeakers at any time, in any city.

It's only going to get worse.

[Venandi]

12 hours ago, Deluge said:

And you can bet your a$$ Mamdani WILL be blaring those calls in Manhattan sooner rather than later. 

 

11 hours ago, ironstone said:

It's only going to get worse.

 

14 hours ago, Deluge said:

I'm stunned...

My goodness...I find it all "stunning " too. 

And the most stunning part is how perfectly predictable outcomes "stun" people. Is it part of the human condition, simply the failure to anticipate likely outcomes or is it the result of a lack of exposure to other cultures, countries and religions in the wild? 

Have y'all noticed that sometimes it gets really dark at night?

Seriously now, please take a moment and explain to me how you thought this wouldn't happen in lockstep with increasing demographic concentrations. 

On a personal note, I'm an early riser, I've spent a fair amount of time "over there," and I love the coolness and smell of the desert in the morning when everything is still.  For me, the morning call to prayers is an old and welcome jogging companion.  

Enjoy...

Edited January 27 by Venandi

[Michael Hardner]

First things first though: when are we going to get the Jews to face accountability for the crucifixion huh???

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

 

 

My goodness...I find it all "stunning " too. 

And the most stunning part is how perfectly predictable outcomes "stun" people. Is it part of the human condition, simply the failure to anticipate likely outcomes or is it the result of a lack of exposure to other cultures, countries and religions in the wild? 

Have y'all noticed that sometimes it gets really dark at night?

Seriously now, please take a moment and explain to me how you thought this wouldn't happen in lockstep with increasing demographic concentrations. 

On a personal note, I'm an early riser, I've spent a fair amount of time "over there," and I love the coolness and smell of the desert in the morning when everything is still.  For me, the morning call to prayers is an old and welcome jogging companion.  

Enjoy...

I appreciate the tolerant attitude, but this is a completely fake story meant to stoke xenophobic fears and sow hate. 

Mosques in NYC are allowed to broadcast a call to prayer... Friday afternoons, and at sunset during Ramadan. And even those must be in compliance with city noise codes.

All established by the previous mayor and rather like the church bells that are allowed on Sunday and special occasions. 

[Nationalist]

My wife and I plan a long exploration drive down in the states starting this spring. We will cross at Buffalo but hightail it to Pennsylvania. Neither of us have any desire to visit NY.

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Mosques in NYC are allowed to broadcast a call to prayer... Friday afternoons, and at sunset during Ramadan. And even those must be in compliance with city noise codes.

All established by the previous mayor and rather like the church bells that are allowed on Sunday and special occasions. 

What you don't realize yet is how that will change as demographic concentrations rise to a level of jurisdictional (majority) political power. Islam didn't (and doesn't) change with location or because you're open and welcoming... it's biding its time, awaiting favourable conditions. 

Sharia law will soon be accepted as a voluntary dispute resolution process, I'm willing to bet that's already ongoing in some places but it's so obvious to me that I don't even care enough to research it for you.

In Islamic circles, "voluntary" has a different definition than yours.  Over time, this will rise to a point that it affects you, or at least to a point where you begin to find it intrusive... you probably won't like it and you'll probably vote to walk back the intrusion. The result of that will be exactly what those of us who urged caution were hoping to avoid back when the Herbs of the world were hurling insults at us.  

I was just trying to think of a single thing that progressives got right over the last 10+ years... and I got nothing. 

 

Edited January 27 by Venandi

[Venandi]

26 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Sharia law will soon be accepted as a voluntary dispute resolution process, I'm willing to bet that's already ongoing in some places but it's so obvious to me that I don't even care enough to research it for you.

OK, I got curious because I just couldn't imagine that it wasn't already happening.

Now cast your mind back, remember when concerns about the expansion of MAID were being ridiculed? How about the idea that every jurisdiction that demanded mandatory registration of firearms proceeded forthwith to confiscation. Remember when Herb was mumbling about registering your car, your dog, and how confiscation was a conspiracy theory? 

This is that and there is more of it in your future:

JURISDICTION	FORMAL RECOGNITION	TYPE OF CASES	LEGAL RESTRICTIONS
United Kingdom	Yes	Marital, family law	Requires consent of both parties
Canada	Initially, then banned	Marital, family law	Banned Sharia arbitration in 2005
United States	Informal	Personal disputes	Varies by state; many have restrictions
Australia	Yes	Family matters	Must comply with national law

Edited January 27 by Venandi

[Deluge]

3 hours ago, Venandi said:

My goodness...I find it all "stunning " too. 

And the most stunning part is how perfectly predictable outcomes "stun" people. Is it part of the human condition, simply the failure to anticipate likely outcomes or is it the result of a lack of exposure to other cultures, countries and religions in the wild? 

Have y'all noticed that sometimes it gets really dark at night?

Seriously now, please take a moment and explain to me how you thought this wouldn't happen in lockstep with increasing demographic concentrations. 

On a personal note, I'm an early riser, I've spent a fair amount of time "over there," and I love the coolness and smell of the desert in the morning when everything is still.  For me, the morning call to prayers is an old and welcome jogging companion.  

Enjoy...

For me it's: "There will be no assimilating to the US, so get used to your new reality. In fact you should probably even think about converting to Islam". 

See, I get that you're weak and feel you have room for the entire f*cking planet, but that's not how nation building works. The US is a free country based on Christian values, and Islam has zero tolerance for it - it's why Mamdani and the entire Muslim world needs to be removed from the US and kept in the ME. 

Have a nice morning.  

 

 

[Venandi]

35 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Have a nice morning.  

Thanks...

Now that I have the benefit of your wisdom and greater appreciation of my own weakness, how could I not?

[Deluge]

12 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Thanks...

Now that I have the benefit of your wisdom and greater appreciation of my own weakness, how could I not?

You're advancing in total consciousness - good for you.  

[Hodad]

7 hours ago, Venandi said:

What you don't realize yet is how that will change as demographic concentrations rise to a level of jurisdictional (majority) political power. Islam didn't (and doesn't) change with location or because you're open and welcoming... it's biding its time, awaiting favourable conditions. 

Sharia law will soon be accepted as a voluntary dispute resolution process, I'm willing to bet that's already ongoing in some places but it's so obvious to me that I don't even care enough to research it for you.

In Islamic circles, "voluntary" has a different definition than yours.  Over time, this will rise to a point that it affects you, or at least to a point where you begin to find it intrusive... you probably won't like it and you'll probably vote to walk back the intrusion. The result of that will be exactly what those of us who urged caution were hoping to avoid back when the Herbs of the world were hurling insults at us.  

I was just trying to think of a single thing that progressives got right over the last 10+ years... and I got nothing. 

 

Well, sure. If you thought that progressives were getting things right you'd identify as one. The historical track record for liberalism is pretty spectacular (that's how society has evolved, after all) but as a subset, progressives have a much bigger challenge. It's always more risky to reinvent systems than to incrementally improve them. 

For this reason, progressives don't "get it right." Though I'd argue that no portion of the political spectrum "gets it right" because we never, ever, ever, get to implement solutions in a vacuum. For good and ill, all of it is a product of compromise. So while progressives might arrive early to an issue and offer unpalatable or impractical solutions, they are usually directionally correct in identifying major challenges early, and eventually the slower parts of the political spectrum move that direction. 

Some major directional issues on which they are surely right:

1. Healthcare. The current system is fundamentally broken, filled with cost opacity, redundancy, waste and inefficiency. It's a dysfunction that needs to be reimagined rather than incrementally improved. And the fragility of employer-based systems is going to be further complicated by a partial-labor or post-labor society. See point 2.

2. Corporate power, wealth concentration, and ultimately corporatocracy. There used to be a tension between labor and capital, but labor has clearly lost in America. Our current system does not appear to be sustainable. It has prioritized unfettered "growth" without any consideration for the nature and direction of growth. I actually think there's huge overlap here with working class conservatives, whether they can articulate the cause or not. The single-income family is nearly extinct, and it's not by choice. The affordability crisis is real and politically potent across the spectrum. Things are looking very bleak for gen A already, and AI is a tipping point. And the power and influence, particularly in media and tech, should terrify everyone. 

3. Climate and energy. The science on climate is clear, but referring back to point 2, powerful corporate interests have managed to significantly muddy those waters for laypeople--to the point that portions of the population won't acknowledge the fact that there's a problem, let alone coalesce around how to mitigate an existential threat. This is another system that needs a reset, where we account for externalities and stop measuring costs as simple production dollars. Shifting our energy investments and priorities isn't even anti-growth, it just means looking ahead to determine which direction we want to grow. 

 

 

As for the religious intrusion on public life, I don't like it one bit, but I don't see much difference between the Islam and Christianity in this regard. One can quibble about which is "worse" on specific points of view, but in any case they are interesting in using government to coerce behavior according to their own beliefs--to force others. And we'd be far better off bolstering the bulwark between church and state than unwisely tearing it down, as conservative America seems intent on doing.

 

 

[Venandi]

On 1/27/2026 at 10:43 AM, Deluge said:

See, I get that you're weak...

 

18 hours ago, Hodad said:

I don't see much difference between the Islam and Christianity...

Cool... all that and a bag of chips eh?

My blue hat is faded from long stays in sun kissed vacation spots so perhaps I'm a bit more cynical than most, but, this is the point where I usually ask how much time opinionated people (such as yourselves) have actually spent in Islamic countries.

Para sailing in the Maldives doesn't count. 

I'm of the opinion that true Islam is generally incompatible with secular democracy. That said, I've run into some of the best and worst that humanity has to offer there.

As a result, if you insist on large immigration efforts from these countries it might be wise to pay attention to security matters, avoid demographic concentrations, segregated communities and vertical warehousing...  in general, take the time and spend the money to do it right.

If you want to proceed I think it can be done, but it requires a moderate degree of common sense and caution. As was the case in Europe, that was absent... it didn't happen

The results you're both screeching about are (IMO) the very definition of predictable... like it or not, that was (and remains) my point. 

IMO again, if you want to unfuc% the current situation you'l be needing eyeholes time machine or some of the draconian measures you were warned about. 

 

Edited January 28 by Venandi

[Deluge]

33 minutes ago, Venandi said:

 

Cool... all that and a bag of chips eh?

My blue hat is faded from long stays in sun kissed vacation spots so perhaps I'm a bit more cynical than most, but, this is the point where I usually ask how much time opinionated people (such as yourselves) have actually spent in Islamic countries.

Para sailing in the Maldives doesn't count. 

I'm of the opinion that true Islam is generally incompatible with secular democracy. That said, I've run into some of the best and worst that humanity has to offer there.

As a result, if you insist on large immigration efforts from these countries it might be wise to pay attention to security matters, avoid demographic concentrations, segregated communities and vertical warehousing...  in general, take the time and spend the money to do it right.

If you want to proceed I think it can be done, but it requires a moderate degree of common sense and caution. As was the case in Europe, that was absent... it didn't happen

The results you're both screeching about are (IMO) the very definition of predictable... like it or not, that was (and remains) my point. 

IMO again, if you want to unfuc% the current situation you'l be needing eyeholes time machine or some of the draconian measures you were warned about. 

 

Islam isn't compatible with anything. It's why they need to keep their shit in the ME where it originated. 

[Deluge]

18 hours ago, Hodad said:

Well, sure. If you thought that progressives were getting things right you'd identify as one. The historical track record for liberalism is pretty spectacular (that's how society has evolved, after all) but as a subset, progressives have a much bigger challenge. It's always more risky to reinvent systems than to incrementally improve them. 

For this reason, progressives don't "get it right." Though I'd argue that no portion of the political spectrum "gets it right" because we never, ever, ever, get to implement solutions in a vacuum. For good and ill, all of it is a product of compromise. So while progressives might arrive early to an issue and offer unpalatable or impractical solutions, they are usually directionally correct in identifying major challenges early, and eventually the slower parts of the political spectrum move that direction. 

Some major directional issues on which they are surely right:

1. Healthcare. The current system is fundamentally broken, filled with cost opacity, redundancy, waste and inefficiency. It's a dysfunction that needs to be reimagined rather than incrementally improved. And the fragility of employer-based systems is going to be further complicated by a partial-labor or post-labor society. See point 2.

2. Corporate power, wealth concentration, and ultimately corporatocracy. There used to be a tension between labor and capital, but labor has clearly lost in America. Our current system does not appear to be sustainable. It has prioritized unfettered "growth" without any consideration for the nature and direction of growth. I actually think there's huge overlap here with working class conservatives, whether they can articulate the cause or not. The single-income family is nearly extinct, and it's not by choice. The affordability crisis is real and politically potent across the spectrum. Things are looking very bleak for gen A already, and AI is a tipping point. And the power and influence, particularly in media and tech, should terrify everyone. 

3. Climate and energy. The science on climate is clear, but referring back to point 2, powerful corporate interests have managed to significantly muddy those waters for laypeople--to the point that portions of the population won't acknowledge the fact that there's a problem, let alone coalesce around how to mitigate an existential threat. This is another system that needs a reset, where we account for externalities and stop measuring costs as simple production dollars. Shifting our energy investments and priorities isn't even anti-growth, it just means looking ahead to determine which direction we want to grow. 

As for the religious intrusion on public life, I don't like it one bit, but I don't see much difference between the Islam and Christianity in this regard. One can quibble about which is "worse" on specific points of view, but in any case they are interesting in using government to coerce behavior according to their own beliefs--to force others. And we'd be far better off bolstering the bulwark between church and state than unwisely tearing it down, as conservative America seems intent on doing.

 

 

"Compromise" in the US is fine, just as long as you compromise within the framework of the Constitution. The minute you deviate from the constitution, like trying to dissolve the borders and let everyone in, it becomes unacceptable. YOUR belief system is unacceptable. 

The US was built on Christian values, not satanic ritualistic values, so we have to work and "compromise" on that foundation - the God inspired US Constitution foundation. 

[Michael Hardner]

23 hours ago, Hodad said:

... conservative America seems intent on doing.

 

 

Great post, but I quibble the past bit: Small l liberalism seems to be the strongest and most transformative force.

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

"Compromise" in the US is fine, just as long as you compromise within the framework of the Constitution.  

......

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

The US was built on Christian values, ...

Above is the recipe for a great Church & State Upside Down Cake 🍰 

[Deluge]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Great post, but I quibble the past bit: Small l liberalism seems to be the strongest and most transformative force.

......

Above is the recipe for a great Church & State Upside Down Cake 🍰 

Church & State are both good, so it would be a delicious cake. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Great post, but I quibble the past bit: Small l liberalism seems to be the strongest and most transformative force.

 

I don't even think that's a quibble. Progressives provide the directional pull. Liberals perform the practical work of transformation. Conservatives are dragged kicking and screaming until they eventually arrive at the destination and then forget what they were so scared of in the first place. 

Well, at least that's how it's worked historically. At some point, Rush Limbaugh killed conservatism by convincing a LOT of dumb people that "conservative" actually just means the "opposite of Democrat." Which is silly. The groundwork was laid for the politics of spite. Now we have MAGA and it's more radical than the progressives have ever been.

[Michael Hardner]

30 minutes ago, Hodad said:

  The groundwork was laid for the politics of spite. Now we have MAGA and it's more radical than the progressives have ever been.

Political identity as fashion is one of the most sellable things.

Divide and conquer...

 

People get downright livid when I tell them my politics, and it doesn't mesh with theirs.

[eyeball]

13 hours ago, Venandi said:

My blue hat is faded from long stays in sun kissed vacation spots so perhaps I'm a bit more cynical than most,

Maybe the problem is the sun baked your brain.

What was that about a time machine?

[eyeball]

On 1/27/2026 at 5:48 AM, Venandi said:

I was just trying to think of a single thing that progressives got right over the last 10+ years... and I got nothing. 

Well, we have a pretty good record at helping prevent Liberal majorities.

You're welcome.

[Venandi]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Maybe the problem is the sun baked your brain.

Maybe you should use a bit of that “heat” to cook up something other than sarcasm and weak sister analysis of history… it seems that staying in the “shadows” hasn’t provided you with much in the way of “bright” ideas.

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

What was that about a time machine?

It was about the obvious need for less screen time and more effort into building it.

If your only solution to the problems of today is a caustic examination of historical wrongs, then you better get that a$$ you keep laughing off reattached and into high gear.

Stop wearing it on top of your shoulders... at least in public.

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Well, we have a pretty good record at helping prevent Liberal majorities.

And without so much as a whisper of disagreement with their abuses of power (and process), you have a "pretty good record" of propping up their minorities too. 

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

You're welcome.

So far the shi% sandwiches you've been making don't warrant a thank you... we can only hope you make better time machines.

Edited January 29 by Venandi