ICE Finally Fires Back!

[BeaverFever]

4 hours ago, User said:

Depends on what you mean by hit. The officer had to quickly try to move out of the way and while doing so did have to position his hands to deflect the vehicle. It appears his leg/hip area was hit on the side while moving out of the way. 

POSSIBLY. That’s the most generous explanation for the officer. But that’s not really a “I had to kill this lady to save my life” situation. More like “things happened so suddenly I only had a split second to react”.   In this latter defence, whether he was ACTUALLY is in harm’s way is irrelevant. As Ive said American prosecutors and juries tend to be very lenient with law enforcement in far more egregious cases so I don’t think he’s going to get in any trouble here. 

 

4 hours ago, User said:

Either way, the facts remain. She backed up and away from an officer trying to illegally flee, while doing so her vehicle turned towards another officer as she began to accelerate towards him and that is when he drew his firearm and fired.

She wasn’t going towards him. He was to the left of the vehicle while she was driving forward with a slight right hand turn even. He shot her through the driver window not the windshield.  
 

But like I said this is all probably within the scope of what Americans consider acceptable, where police shooting someone over a traffic ticket or jaywalking encounter gone wrong is commonplace …. In other countries these things are not normalized and the population is not so desensitized to it. 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

POSSIBLY. That’s the most generous explanation for the officer. But that’s not really a “I had to kill this lady to save my life” situation.

It 100% is. That is exactly what it is, when somebody comes towards a police officer with a vehicle to the point where they're actually striking the officer and they're accelerating that's time for the officer to shoot. A hell of a lot of officers are injured or even killed in exactly those circumstance.

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So where does this go now?

By rights America should have been waging a hot civil war between the left and right wing months if not years ago.

[Nationalist]

Just now, eyeball said:

By rights America should have been waging a hot civil war between the left and right wing months if not years ago.

Britain, France and Germany as well. 

I also think the EU now has a limited shelf life.

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I'd always thought the police were there to protect the citizens and maintain order. Where the fck are the Minneapolis police?

Good question. They should be protecting Minneapolitans from ICE agents by getting in between them - even turning ICE back at the city limits.

 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Good question. They should be protecting Minneapolitans from ICE agents by getting in between them - even turning ICE back at the city limits.

 

How exactly is that "protecting the citizens"?

THIS is protecting citizens.

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MINNEAPOLIS, Minn. — U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers launched a targeted enforcement operation in Minnesota, Dec. 31, to locate and apprehend Mahad Abdulkadir Yusuf, a criminal illegal alien and convicted sex offender from Somalia. Thanks to the sanctuary policies of Minnesota Governor Tim Walz and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, this dangerous criminal was free to prowl the streets and victimize Minneapolis residents for years.

Yusuf committed a series of horrific crimes, including a conviction for criminal sexual conduct in the first degree where he forced his victim to perform oral sex on him multiple times. He was also arrested in 2016 for assault in the first degree and has an active warrant from 2024 for obstructing police.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-convicted-sexual-predator-who-was-allowed-roam-free-minneapolis-because

What you want is to protect sex offenders, thieves, fraudsters, Hell even murderers.

All for the hatred of Trump? I can't think of another reason any citizen would actually want the costs and burden of these social slime and criminals. Any normal person would want this cockroach evicted. But not you Libbies...why?

You seriously all need to grow the fck up.

[robosmith]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

How exactly is that "protecting the citizens"?

THIS is protecting citizens.

What you want is to protect sex offenders, thieves, fraudsters, Hell even murderers.

All for the hatred of Trump? I can't think of another reason any citizen would actually want the costs and burden of these social slime and criminals. Any normal person would want this cockroach evicted. But not you Libbies...why?

You seriously all need to grow the fck up.

Your outlier anecdotal evidence doesn't mean what you believe it means.

[Nationalist]

Just now, robosmith said:

Your outlier anecdotal evidence doesn't mean what you believe it means.

Oh for Gawd's sake! Go colour your hair or something.

[Hodad]

52 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

POSSIBLY. That’s the most generous explanation for the officer. But that’s not really a “I had to kill this lady to save my life” situation. More like “things happened so suddenly I only had a split second to react”.   In this latter defence, whether he was ACTUALLY is in harm’s way is irrelevant. As Ive said American prosecutors and juries tend to be very lenient with law enforcement in far more egregious cases so I don’t think he’s going to get in any trouble here. 

 

She wasn’t going towards him. He was to the left of the vehicle while she was driving forward with a slight right hand turn even. He shot her through the driver window not the windshield.  
 

But like I said this is all probably within the scope of what Americans consider acceptable, where police shooting someone over a traffic ticket or jaywalking encounter gone wrong is commonplace …. In other countries these things are not normalized and the population is not so desensitized to it. 

This. 

It was an entirely unnecessary shooting--a killing that did not protect the officer or anyone else. She was not a threat to him. Rather than being targeted, he stepped in front of the car. She was simply trying to leave, not to harm, and did not "aim" her car at anyone. And indeed he was not visible harmed. And, in spite of all that, there's likely a viable defense of his actions in the moment and he will likely not face consequences. 

But this absurd idea that his killing with was somehow heroic or deserved or helpful or positive in any way is simply nonsense. It's just an excuse for the peace-loving conservatives to celebrate the killing of someone who might have voted the other way.  

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

This. 

It was an entirely unnecessary shooting--a killing that did not protect the officer or anyone else. She was not a threat to him. Rather than being targeted, he stepped in front of the car. She was simply trying to leave, not to harm, and did not "aim" her car at anyone. And indeed he was not visible harmed. And, in spite of all that, there's likely a viable defense of his actions in the moment and he will likely not face consequences. 

But this absurd idea that his killing with was somehow heroic or deserved or helpful or positive in any way is simply nonsense. It's just an excuse for the peace-loving conservatives to celebrate the killing of someone who might have voted the other way.  

Nonsense?

How many others will be interested in using their vehicle to obstruct and threaten federal officers now?

I bet, in a morbid sort o' way, the incident does prove to be helpful for keeping these sort of stupid acts off the menu.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

How exactly is that "protecting the citizens"?

Keeping ICE away from citizens.

Treating ICE as an enemy of the people. 

What part of civil war don't you get?

21 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Britain, France and Germany as well. 

I also think the EU now has a limited shelf life.

It's peaceful civility that has a shortening lifespan. It's dying as we speak. Everywhere in the west.

You can bet Putin and Jinping are laughing their asses off.

16 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

What you want is to protect sex offenders, thieves, fraudsters, Hell even murderers.

All for the hatred of Trump? I can't think of another reason any citizen would actually want the costs and burden of these social slime and criminals.

What you people want to do, are doing, is to exaggerate everything to cause the fear and loathing that justifies Trump turning America into an aggressive military right-wing police state - the same thing you hard-boiled right-wingers have in mind for Canada.

Fùck that.

[Legato]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Keeping ICE away from citizens.

Treating ICE as an enemy of the people. 

What part of civil war don't you get?

It's peaceful civility that has a shortening lifespan. It's dying as we speak. Everywhere in the west.

You can bet Putin and Jinping are laughing their asses off.

What you people want to do, are doing, is to exaggerate everything to cause the fear and loathing that justifies Trump turning America into an aggressive military right-wing police state - the same thing you hard-boiled right-wingers have in mind for Canada.

Fùck that.

Peaceful civility from the average group think left wing mob?

Where are the Daleks when you need them.

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What you people want to do, are doing, is to exaggerate everything to cause the fear and loathing that justifies Trump turning America into an aggressive military right-wing police state...

 

Turning into ?    What part of America have you not seen over and over again ?

...long before Trump.

[bush_cheney2004]

Confirmed...for use-of-force "officer mindset" in court if it comes to that:

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The ICE agent involved in the deadly shooting of a woman in south Minneapolis has been identified as Jonathan Ross, according to a source with knowledge of the case and verified by court documents.

 

Federal officials described Ross as an “experienced” officer. Ross was injured in a dragging incident during a June operation in the Twin Cities.

https://www.startribune.com/ice-raids-minnesota/601546426

 

[WestCanMan]

On 1/7/2026 at 10:56 AM, robosmith said:

So you ONLY care about crime when it blocks Trump's Gestapo and believe that is a capital offense. 🤮 

Show us the VIDEO of the woman attempting to ram ICE agents since YOU are claiming that happened.

It actually happened, robo. 

The woman was hounding ICE agents during the day, using her vehicle to block them, and then when their vehicle was stuck and she was still doing their thing, they went to execute a lawful arrest.

She quickly backed up with her wheel cracked to the left, and then, with an ICE agent standing in front of her truck, she stomped on the gas and didn't manage to turn quickly enough before her vehicle bumped him. But in the moment before she got het wheel turned fully to the right, to maybe avoid him, she accelerated into him and he fired. 

A brief, accurate description is that she glancingly struck a law enforcement officer with her vehicle during a felony evasion, and he fired while her car was coming towards him.

 

Leftists:

1. When a small, unarmed woman crawls through a window 25 feet away, and a cop shoots her: "HERO!"
2. When a woman strikes a law enforcement officer with her vehicle and gets shot: "MURDERER!" 

[WestCanMan]

27 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Keeping ICE away from citizens.

Treating ICE as an enemy of the people. 

What part of civil war don't you get?

It's peaceful civility that has a shortening lifespan. It's dying as we speak. Everywhere in the west.

You can bet Putin and Jinping are laughing their asses off.

What you people want to do, are doing, is to exaggerate everything to cause the fear and loathing that justifies Trump turning America into an aggressive military right-wing police state - the same thing you hard-boiled right-wingers have in mind for Canada.

Fùck that.

^That coming from the worthless, vax-fascist cutist that cheered on Trudeau's hate-mongering and the beating of peaceful protesters. 

You are 100% a fascist at heart, dummy. Trudeau was a hair's breadth from putting Canadians into concentration camps and you were in lock step that whole way. 

[Nationalist]

32 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Keeping ICE away from citizens.

Treating ICE as an enemy of the people. 

What part of civil war don't you get?

It's peaceful civility that has a shortening lifespan. It's dying as we speak. Everywhere in the west.

You can bet Putin and Jinping are laughing their asses off.

What you people want to do, are doing, is to exaggerate everything to cause the fear and loathing that justifies Trump turning America into an aggressive military right-wing police state - the same thing you hard-boiled right-wingers have in mind for Canada.

Fùck that.

ICE agents are federal immigration authorities. Nothing they do is new or unusual...except for the Brandon years. They've been doing their job since 2002. Nobody had a problem with that until Brandon literally flooded the USA with unvetted illegals. Trump is cleaning up Brandon's mess and you traitorous freaks hate the idea.

You are childish little dweebs who would sell your own mothers if you thought it would hurt Trump.

Grow the fck up!

[Hodad]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Leftists:

1. When a small, unarmed woman crawls through a window 25 feet away, and a cop shoots her: "HERO!"
2. When a woman strikes a law enforcement officer with her vehicle and gets shot: "MURDERER!" 

You don't know the difference between someone pressing an attack on trapped civilians and someone trying to flee from LEO? Those situations seem similar to you?- I guess that adds up. You wouldn't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

[robosmith]

51 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Oh for Gawd's sake! Go colour your hair or something.

Go f yourself, dropout

[Hodad]

45 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Nonsense?

How many others will be interested in using their vehicle to obstruct and threaten federal officers now?

I bet, in a morbid sort o' way, the incident does prove to be helpful for keeping these sort of stupid acts off the menu.

I don't know if there was obstruction at some point off film, but not on, and there was certainly no threatening. By all appearances, they were just annoyed by the civilian scrutiny, as power tripping LEOs often are. 

Sane people don't think that killing civilians is a valid way of discouraging scrutiny. Surely, knowing that these masked agents are clear to use lethal force for petty annoyances will have a chilling effect. But to see that as a positive? That's a pretty crazy take. 

[Venandi]

46 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It was an entirely unnecessary shooting--a killing that did not protect the officer or anyone else.

I don't like second guessing split second decisions (with a beer in hand) and having the benefit of frame by frame still views of FMV to do it. And I especially don't like the way the analysis of this event has broken down along political lines, probably because I didn't expect it.

Otherwise though, I tend to agree with you.

The draw began in the first 20% of forward tire rotation as the front wheel was being turned, note the wheel deflection (to the right) and position of the shooter as the first round is fired through the side window. I don't believe she was trying to hit him.

I didn't look up the video until after I read about the encounter and saw the statement below... based on the description and statement, the video wasn't what I expected to see.

...rioters began blocking ICE officers and one of these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt to kill them — an act of domestic terrorism,” DHS assistant secretary for public affairs Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement.

41 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

...in spite of all that, there's likely a viable defense of his actions in the moment and he will likely not face consequences. 

Agreed... that's how I think it will play out too, and I would agree with the outcome should it come to pass. This was tragic, there are no winners here.

[bush_cheney2004]

Why would any rational human being purposely put themselves in such a position...against armed federal officers that have used lethal and less lethal force many times while conducting ICE operations ?   ICE has a job to do...obstruction is a crime.

I think this woman got in way over her head after watching too many YouTube videos, panicked, and drew deadly fire from an officer who had previously been injured under similar circumstances.  I don't think she intended to hit him or others, but the officer doesn't know that in that instant.

Her family's legal recourse will likely be a  wrongful death lawsuit, not criminal charges against the ICE officer.

City schools have closed for the rest of the week and protests are happening...crowds are not huge and there is no damage like in 2020.    I will be going into Minneapolis on Friday and its seems relatively calm.

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It 100% is. That is exactly what it is, when somebody comes towards a police officer with a vehicle to the point where they're actually striking the officer and they're accelerating that's time for the officer to shoot. A hell of a lot of officers are injured or even killed in exactly those circumstance.

But what you aaid happened didn’t happen. The vehicle didn’t move towards the agent, the agent wasn’t sttuck the agent fired the second shot well away from the vehicle and the third shot from BEHIND the vehicle as it drove away 

Here is an initial forensic analysis of the video (the analyst doesn’t comment on whether he thinks there is wrongdoing)  

First shot is fired at 7:19. Both feet are outside the perimeter of the car and the car’s tires are clearly in a right turn position moving away from the shooter.

 

 

Second shot is fired at 8:06 with the officer two feet to the left side of the vehicle, firing at a 90% angle laterally through the open passenger window.

 

 

The third shot is at 8:18 and is from the side and slightly behind the driver.

 

The aftermath shows the shooter standing, uninjured.

 

 

Additionally, here is a visual of the the front windshield showing only one shot entering the windshield, consistent with what is described above. The location and position of the shot are consistent with the shot coming from a position not directly in front of the vehicle. 

https://open.substack.com/pub/michaeldsellers/p/renee-good-shooting-three-shots-one?r=3adb8b&utm_medium=ios&shareImageVariant=overlay

 

If its determined that the first or maybe even the second shot killed her then IMO it’s not likely an American jury or prosecutor will care. The third shot from behind I wasn’t aware of, that could change things.

 

However, Trump’s FBI  is already reportedly obstructing state and local law enforcement from investigating. 

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You don't know the difference between someone pressing an attack on trapped civilians and someone trying to flee from LEO? Those situations seem similar to you?- I guess that adds up. You wouldn't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

You are such a sleazy little weasel it's sickening. 

Running over cops is illegal, self-defence is legal. FAFO

[Venandi]

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Why would any rational human being purposely put themselves in such a position...against armed federal officers that have used lethal and less lethal force many times while conducting ICE operations ?   ICE has a job to do...obstruction is a crime.

I think this woman got in way over her head after watching too many YouTube videos, panicked, and drew deadly fire from an officer who had previously been injured under similar circumstances.  I don't think she intended to hit him or others, but the officer doesn't know that in that instant.

Her family's legal recourse will likely be a  wrongful death lawsuit, not criminal charges against the ICE officer.

City schools have closed for the rest of the week and protests are happening...crowds are not huge and there is no damage like in 2020.    I will be going into Minneapolis on Friday and its seems relatively calm.

Agreed, nothing more to add IMO... thanks.