The shutdown

[Gaétan]

4 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

 

They were at war with Hamas, notice it only happened to Gaza and not to the West Bank. Oh noes civilians got killed, well that's what happens when the government running the area uses them as human shields.

Lets not get it twisted here on October 6th THEY didn't give a shit who they killed and who they took hostage.

The literal goal of Hamas is the genocide of Jews.

Israel has the weapons to go all out and really wipe out the Palestinians if they wanted to in just a matter of weeks if not days in comfort of their living rooms.

People seem to think you can fight a war where no civilians get hurt, that is a fairy tale. These Palestinians backed Hamas and they still strongly support these terrorists. We all saw the dancing and celebrating the Palestinian people enjoyed on Oct 6th and how those "innocent baby angels" were throwing rocks at hostages as Hamas paraded them through the streets.

They paid the price for their injustice—and you committed genocide, killing over 350,000 Palestinians.

[gatomontes99]

24 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

"You're the disinformation agent here—or the genocide agent, if that suits you better."

Who are you quoting? 

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

They paid the price for their injustice—and you committed genocide, killing over 350,000 Palestinians.

@Fluffypants,  i've told you a million times now, stop committing genocide!  Yeash!

[Fluffypants]

12 hours ago, Gaétan said:

They paid the price for their injustice—and you committed genocide, killing over 350,000 Palestinians.

Which orifice did you pull that number out of?

[Gaétan]

18 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Which orifice did you pull that number out of?

Counting the dead in Gaza: difficult but essential - The Lancet

Halfway through the conflict, there were already over 186,000 deaths—now that number has doubled to more than 372,000.

Edited October 15, 2025 by Gaétan

[Venandi]

Between Jan and July of 2025 7,085 Christians were exterminated by Jihadists in Nigeria... not a peep.

From 2009 that's over 50,000... and not a peep.

If you go back to 2000, the total murdered is over 62,000 and upwards of 3 million have been displaced because of the violence... and not a peep.

In total, over 2000 schools and 18,000 churches have been destroyed... not a peep.

So far in 2025 an average of 32 Christians have been murdered daily... not a peep.

I'm not saying this out of any attempt to deflect or to minimize losses of life anywhere else, just wondering about some peoples definition of genocide. According to the UN convention, genocide occurs when specific acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.

That isn't what happened in Gaza, in-fact IDF efforts to limit civilian casualties will (in future) serve as a model for high density operations against population entrenched opposing forces like Hamas. Most credible statistics put the casualty numbers around 67,000 deaths... 20% of that total are generally considered to be Hamas fighters.  

Hamas was culpable in many of those civilian deaths BTW and their ongoing brutality against the civilian population is likely to become increasingly covered by the media in the absence of combat operations as the peace accord takes hold.

Not sure if that is being widely reported yet but I'm willing to bet it will become more apparent as time goes on... I'll also bet that those currently screaming genocide will have as little say about it as they did about the situation in Nigeria... which by intent and execution clearly qualifies as an ongoing genocide.

 

 

Edited October 15, 2025 by Venandi

[Gaétan]

50 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Between Jan and July of 2025 7,085 Christians were exterminated by Jihadists in Nigeria... not a peep.

From 2009 that's over 50,000... and not a peep.

If you go back to 2000, the total murdered is over 62,000 and upwards of 3 million have been displaced because of the violence... and not a peep.

In total, over 2000 schools and 18,000 churches have been destroyed... not a peep.

So far in 2025 an average of 32 Christians have been murdered daily... not a peep.

I'm not saying this out of any attempt to deflect or to minimize losses of life anywhere else, just wondering about some peoples definition of genocide. According to the UN convention, genocide occurs when specific acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.

That isn't what happened in Gaza, in-fact IDF efforts to limit civilian casualties will (in future) serve as a model for high density operations against population entrenched opposing forces like Hamas. Most credible statistics put the casualty numbers around 67,000 deaths... 20% of that total are generally considered to be Hamas fighters.  

Hamas was culpable in many of those civilian deaths BTW and their ongoing brutality against the civilian population is likely to become increasingly covered by the media in the absence of combat operations as the peace accord takes hold.

Not sure if that is being widely reported yet but I'm willing to bet it will become more apparent as time goes on... I'll also bet that those currently screaming genocide will have as little say about it as they did about the situation in Nigeria... which by intent and execution clearly qualifies as an ongoing genocide.

 

 

186,000 deaths—those are the figures published midway through the conflict by The Lancet, not mine. And multiple UN experts have warned that Israel’s actions constitute genocide. “Those who deny it are complicit and encourage further loss of life.

[Venandi]

59 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Not sure if that is being widely reported yet but I'm willing to bet it will become more apparent as time goes on

Well, looks like it is being reported.

Hamas has conducted public executions in Gaza after the ceasefire. They've also mobilized members of their own security force to fill the vacuum left by IDF forces as they withdraw.

This doesn't bode well for those individuals (and their families) who stand opposed to Hamas rule. In the near future I think you'll see an increase in abuses including killings, torture and detainments as the transition continues to unfold. I'll even go so far as to suggest the possibility of intense civil unrest and conflict as various armed splinter groups struggle for power in anticipation of a vacuum being left by Hamas. 

[Venandi]

13 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

186,000 deaths—those are the figures published midway through the conflict by The Lancet, not mine. And multiple UN experts have warned that Israel’s actions constitute genocide. “Those who deny it are complicit and encourage further loss of life.

Well, I don't know what the actual numbers are and frankly neither do you. It sounds like you want to see them higher to prove some sort of point though.  

Given the vacuum forming there, I suspect you will see higher numbers come to pass in the short term (which ever count you currently favour). What's needed now is a policing and stability force to prevent bad actors getting a toe hold. I never subscribed to the notion of that being a great idea but it now comes down to do it or don't. 

Edited October 15, 2025 by Venandi

[Legato]

12 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

186,000 deaths—those are the figures published midway through the conflict by The Lancet, not mine. And multiple UN experts have warned that Israel’s actions constitute genocide. “Those who deny it are complicit and encourage further loss of life.

The UN is notorious for the denigration of anything Jewish or Israeli.

There are no "experts" at the UN.

[Venandi]

36 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

“Those who deny it are complicit and encourage further loss of life.

What about nations (and by extension voters) who ignore the situation in Nigeria? Couldn't their silence be interpreted as a form of diplomatic denial on the world stage... and if so, doesn't that make them complicit in a true (by UN definition) genocide.  

This has been all but ignored by western MSM... are they equally complicit because of it? 

 

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

What about nations (and by extension voters) who ignore the situation in Nigeria? Couldn't their silence be interpreted as a form of diplomatic denial on the world stage... and if so, doesn't that make them complicit in a true (by UN definition) genocide.  

This has been all but ignored by western MSM... are they equally complicit because of it? 

 

Now that they’ve secured the hostages, they claim Hamas is violating the agreement in order to continue the genocide.

[Venandi]

19 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Now that they’ve secured the hostages, they claim Hamas is violating the agreement

Hamas actually is violating the agreement... and it may be a good thing over the long run.

 So far, less than half of the bodies they promised to return actually have been. In terms of the genocide you so often refer to, consider the actual UN definition and then reflect on how those bodies actually became bodies.

In addition, not only have they failed to begin the disarmament process (they agreed to implement), they are now filling the void left by withdrawing IDF elements with Hamas fighters, clashing with other armed Palestinian groups, and executing civilians they deem to be collaborators and/or politically opposed to their rule. 

 If this continues much further (and I think it will) Hamas brutality toward their own people will become spotlighted in a way that it previously wasn't and you will find it increasingly difficult to justify it.

I think there's a sense of weariness now in the the Palestinian population that doesn't bode well for Hamas, they sense it too and the only tool they currently wield is violence directed internally at their own population to force obedience to the cause through fear. It will become increasingly clear (IMO) that the Hamas "cause" is religiously motivated as opposed to one with political objectives aimed at improving the lives of Palestinians.

All IMO of course but if your opinion holds, I think you will soon find yourself defending the actions of an organization that the people of Gaza come to reject and despise. Anticipating that eventuality may be the reason for IDF restraint... turning the population against Hamas is a wise move and I think they will continue with it as long as possible.

Who knows what will happen here (I sure don't) but I do think you have the entire situation backwards... only time will tell though and that renders further discussion (in the present) guess work at best

It won't be long before we see the direction this will likely take and if Israel is wise, they will let Hamas self destruct on its own. 

 

Edited October 16, 2025 by Venandi

[Gaétan]

6 hours ago, Venandi said:

Hamas actually is violating the agreement... and it may be a good thing over the long run.

 So far, less than half of the bodies they promised to return actually have been. In terms of the genocide you so often refer to, consider the actual UN definition and then reflect on how those bodies actually became bodies.

In addition, not only have they failed to begin the disarmament process (they agreed to implement), they are now filling the void left by withdrawing IDF elements with Hamas fighters, clashing with other armed Palestinian groups, and executing civilians they deem to be collaborators and/or politically opposed to their rule. 

 If this continues much further (and I think it will) Hamas brutality toward their own people will become spotlighted in a way that it previously wasn't and you will find it increasingly difficult to justify it.

I think there's a sense of weariness now in the the Palestinian population that doesn't bode well for Hamas, they sense it too and the only tool they currently wield is violence directed internally at their own population to force obedience to the cause through fear. It will become increasingly clear (IMO) that the Hamas "cause" is religiously motivated as opposed to one with political objectives aimed at improving the lives of Palestinians.

All IMO of course but if your opinion holds, I think you will soon find yourself defending the actions of an organization that the people of Gaza come to reject and despise. Anticipating that eventuality may be the reason for IDF restraint... turning the population against Hamas is a wise move and I think they will continue with it as long as possible.

Who knows what will happen here (I sure don't) but I do think you have the entire situation backwards... only time will tell though and that renders further discussion (in the present) guess work at best

It won't be long before we see the direction this will likely take and if Israel is wise, they will let Hamas self destruct on its own. 

 

They just killed six Palestinians—and the day isn’t even over yet. U.S. government agencies are recruiting former soldiers like you to deceive people and spread disinformation on discussion forums to make them look better.

[gatomontes99]

20 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

They just killed six Palestinians—and the day isn’t even over yet. U.S. government agencies are recruiting former soldiers like you to deceive people and spread disinformation on discussion forums to make them look better.

See a psychiatrist.  Please. 

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

U.S. government agencies are recruiting former soldiers like you to deceive people and spread disinformation on discussion forums to make them look better.

Well, they sure as hell aren't paying me enough to discuss it with you anymore. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

See a psychiatrist.  Please. 

Why do you hate psychiatrists? They were probably having a great day but now....  

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Why do you hate psychiatrists? They were probably having a great day but now....  

My bad.

[Venandi]

On 10/15/2025 at 10:27 AM, Venandi said:

Hamas was culpable in many of those civilian deaths BTW and their ongoing brutality against the civilian population is likely to become increasingly covered by the media in the absence of combat operations as the peace accord takes hold.

And..... POOF:

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/hamas-reasserts-control-on-streets-of-gaza-turning-guns-on-its-rivals?itm_source=news&tbref=hp

Any delay in establishing an international transition force now will come with a huge cost later (assuming that's the direction the peace plan is envisioned to go that is). Allowing Hamas to regroup as the IDF withdraws will hurt Palestinians now... and the peace process later.

There is no negotiating with them and wishing won't make it so.  

Here's another prediction, "white chick" pro-Hamas supporters (here and at large) who have never set foot in the region will soon become strangely silent and disappear from the streets... just like those obnoxious elbows up T-shirts at the gym did once liberals pulled their pants down.

With time these white chicks may even start to see the depth of complexities they previously ignored with slogans about Hitler and genocide.

Then again, there will always be the cov1diot types who got it sooooo wrong they'll never be able to admit it... you'll be able to recognize them by new slogans and memes that are even more ridiculous than their Hitler efforts: 

"U.S. government agencies are recruiting former soldiers like you to deceive people and spread disinformation on discussion forums to make them look better."

Edited October 17, 2025 by Venandi

[Venandi]

16 hours ago, Gaétan said:

U.S. government agencies are recruiting former soldiers like you to deceive people and spread disinformation on discussion forums to make them look better.

Here... I fixed it for ya:

Gays for Palestine are recruiting former Cov1diots like you to deceive people and spread disinformation on discussion forums to make them look better.

[Gaétan]

15 hours ago, Venandi said:

Well, they sure as hell aren't paying me enough to discuss it with you anymore. 

The shutdown cut your salary for a long time—and also that of the food banks. Buy beans instead of beef.

Edited October 17, 2025 by Gaétan

[Shady]

The Schumer shutdown is not going well for Democrats.

[Venandi]

9 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The shutdown cut your salary for a long time—and also that of the food banks. Buy beans instead of beef.

That's all ya got eh?

Since you've defended Hamas in their actions against Israel, I'd love to hear your argument in favour of their current efforts in torturing, executing, and oppressing their own people.

As to the beans, Robo suggests that if you shove them up your a$$ they grow and produce abundantly, apparently sleeping on your tummy for the next 60-90 days will help with the harvest.

Let us know how that works out for you. 

Edited October 17, 2025 by Venandi

[Gaétan]

5 hours ago, Venandi said:

That's all ya got eh?

Since you've defended Hamas in their actions against Israel, I'd love to hear your argument in favour of their current efforts in torturing, executing, and oppressing their own people.

As to the beans, Robo suggests that if you shove them up your a$$ they grow and produce abundantly, apparently sleeping on your tummy for the next 60-90 days will help with the harvest.

Let us know how that works out for you. 

I don't know what you are saying to cover up a genocide

[gatomontes99]

32 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

I don't know what you are saying to cover up a genocide

He is saying you need help. Go see a psychiatrist.