Pierre is back!

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Do you find it a poor reflection of our system that a party leader can evict a long-serving MP from his safe riding just so he can run there - even though he doesn't live in that riding?

The hypocrisy is insane. 

[I am Groot]

On 8/21/2025 at 4:51 PM, ExFlyer said:

OK, I must have missed them...please provide me with solutions PP has proposed.

I'm not going to recite you a list of policy proposals. They're all there on the conservative website. On immigration and foreign workers, on law and order, on industry and the economy.

On 8/21/2025 at 4:51 PM, ExFlyer said:

I think you need to look at facts and yes, Trudeau has made some very skeptical decisions based on his personal feelings but, he is gone and we need to gather our $hit and make it right. I think Carney is on the road to that.

By doing what? He's talked about things. What has he actually done other than spend money? Even more money than Trudeau was going to spend in the budget that was so horrific, his finance minister resigned rather than support it. This was the crisis of a generation, and Poilievre said the house would be working all summer to address it. Carney sent the house on vacation without even a budget. He's still going to spend close to a billion dollars buying back hunters rifles and shotguns. He's going to pour billions into a wasted, useless, lost battle against climate change, he's not going to use the power of his office to cut red tape and get projects moving. At least, he certainly hasn't done anything so far. There have been projects waiting for government approval for years still sitting there.

On 8/21/2025 at 4:51 PM, ExFlyer said:

Looking at our election is not nostalgic... the evidence is clear as to what the country wanted. Our economy was not good, our immigration was not good, our housing situation was not good, our costs of living was high.

Yet, we did not vote conservative. You need to dig deep and ask why. I am not saying this for argument sake, it happened and why? 

You know what happened. Donald Trump happened. The legacy media protected their government funding and went all out on behalf of the Liberals, and Singh folded like a cheap rug as he let the NDP collapse rather than risk the evil Pierre Poilievre getting into power.

On 8/21/2025 at 4:51 PM, ExFlyer said:

We don't want someone "nice" we want a leader with some smarts, not just a life long political resume.

If we wanted an intellectual as a leader, we'd do IQ tests. The problem is that people with the big brains often can't get anything done without the kind of political savvy you get through years as a politician. I would also invite you to explain how Mr. Big Brain Carney can hold some of the dumbest positions imaginable on climate change, an opinion that says he's willing to pour trillions of dollars down a black hole to accomplish nothing while the third world keeps building coal plants.

On 8/21/2025 at 4:51 PM, ExFlyer said:

Lets be frank...if PP would have gotten his security clearances, he would be far more informed than he is now and may have been able to speak with knowledge rather than rhetoric.

You mean informed like Singh and Elizabeth May? Didn't hear anything intelligent out of either of them. Do you not realize that he would have been restricted from talking about or doing anything about whatever he read? Not to mention he would only read what the government wanted him to read.

Incidentally, I agree he should have gotten the clearance. Not because I think he would have been better informed, but because his not getting one let the Liberals and NDP pretend there was something nefarious about it. Given how eager they and their media allies always are to demonize whoever is the Tory leader, that should have been predicted.

 

[I am Groot]

What someone adept in politics can manage where an 'experienced economist' wouldn't.

Conservative Party leader Pierre Poilievre has pulled off something that deserves far more recognition than it gets. At a time when right-wing populism has fractured conservative parties across the Western world, he has consolidated the Canadian Right into a single, mainstream political vehicle.

His success in effectively decimating Maxime Bernier’s People’s Party, undermining talk of Alberta separatism, and holding together a broad national coalition is a major accomplishment for the Conservative Party and Canadian democracy itself.

https://thehub.ca/2025/08/23/the-weekly-wrap-poilievre-deserves-more-credit-than-hes-getting-for-the-coalition-hes-built/

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

What someone adept in politics can manage where an 'experienced economist' wouldn't.

Conservative Party leader Pierre Poilievre has pulled off something that deserves far more recognition than it gets. At a time when right-wing populism has fractured conservative parties across the Western world, he has consolidated the Canadian Right into a single, mainstream political vehicle.

His success in effectively decimating Maxime Bernier’s People’s Party, undermining talk of Alberta separatism, and holding together a broad national coalition is a major accomplishment for the Conservative Party and Canadian democracy itself.

https://thehub.ca/2025/08/23/the-weekly-wrap-poilievre-deserves-more-credit-than-hes-getting-for-the-coalition-hes-built/

From the hub no less, who hates the guy. 

Everyone thought he was dead in the water the first time and he still crushed justin and jagmeet.  He got lazy and carney managed to sucker punch him. Fair enough, well played.  But anyone who dismisses PP is a fool. The man has real talent. 

[Barquentine]

9 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Conservative Party leader Pierre Poilievre has pulled off something that deserves far more recognition than it gets.

Yes, blowing a huge lead and losing a 4th election for the Cons. Keep up the good work, PeePee!

[Barquentine]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The man has real talent.

A talent for being a yappy little attack dog, not the required talent to actually be a Prime Minister.

Harper knew that - that's why he never gave him a major portfolio.

“Politics should not be a lifelong career. Therefore, I would institute a limit of two terms for members of Parliament.” Pierre Poilievre

Not even smart or honourable enough to take his own advice!

[I am Groot]

26 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Yes, blowing a huge lead and losing a 4th election for the Cons. Keep up the good work, PeePee!

Are you NINE?

[Legato]

31 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

A talent for being a yappy little attack dog, not the required talent to actually be a Prime Minister.

Harper knew that - that's why he never gave him a major portfolio.

“Politics should not be a lifelong career. Therefore, I would institute a limit of two terms for members of Parliament.” Pierre Poilievre

Not even smart or honourable enough to take his own advice!

You trying to copy the robo, making assumptions in large print?

[Shady]

Conservatives now leading for the first time since March.  The Carney honeymoon is over.

 

[LinkSoul60]

Love the daily moral victories for Canada's perpetual second place party.  

Your graph aside and from same site, the bottom line from this is;

 

So What?

In a tight race where the Conservative and Liberal parties are statistically neck-and-neck, the question of leadership character could play a defining role. Voters aren’t just asking who has the better policy, they’re asking who they trust to steer the country through a moment defined by volatility, high stakes diplomacy, and shifting economic terrain.

Pierre Poilievre’s strength continues to lie in mobilizing his base and speaking to a sense of urgency and dissatisfaction. But the data here reveal the limits of that strategy: his brand is not yet aligned with the broader public’s expectations of a Prime Minister. And his more confrontational political style, while appealing to core supporters, may be holding him back among those who value calm, collaboration, and institutional trust.

Mark Carney, on the other hand, benefits from being perceived as measured and policy-driven. His perceived temperament matches what more Canadians are looking for right now, especially as his government navigates complex negotiations with the United States and continues to respond to global trade turbulence stirred up by Donald Trump.

Canadians are not vague or passive about what they want in a leader. They want someone who puts the country first, understands their challenges, and brings a clear, steady hand. Right now, Mark Carney is meeting those expectations better than Pierre Poilievre, not just with his own base, but with the people in the middle who will decide future elections.

These numbers reinforce the challenge Poilievre faces in broadening his appeal. He’s not far off in raw vote numbers, but he trails on the stuff that defines prime ministerial leadership in the minds of most Canadians. That doesn’t mean the gap can’t close, but it may require a recalibration of tone and substance or a change in the competitive landscape (a rising NDP and BQ).

As Canadians enter the second half of 2025, most are not demanding radical reinvention. They’re asking for stability, empathy, and competence. The question isn’t just whether voters are satisfied with government performance at this point; it’s whether they see a leader who matches the moment. 

Carney’s calm, technocratic style fits well with a public mood that prizes steadiness over spectacle. For Poilievre, the challenge isn’t enthusiasm, it’s expansion. Unless he can reshape how Canadians see him on the traits they value most, the path to victory will depend less on how frustrated people are with the status quo, and more on whether they believe the alternative is truly ready to lead.

Face the fact that Poilievre is just not likeable.  It's no more complicated than that.

[Legato]

20 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Love the daily moral victories for Canada's perpetual second place party.  

Your graph aside and from same site, the bottom line from this is;

 

So What?

In a tight race where the Conservative and Liberal parties are statistically neck-and-neck, the question of leadership character could play a defining role. Voters aren’t just asking who has the better policy, they’re asking who they trust to steer the country through a moment defined by volatility, high stakes diplomacy, and shifting economic terrain.

Pierre Poilievre’s strength continues to lie in mobilizing his base and speaking to a sense of urgency and dissatisfaction. But the data here reveal the limits of that strategy: his brand is not yet aligned with the broader public’s expectations of a Prime Minister. And his more confrontational political style, while appealing to core supporters, may be holding him back among those who value calm, collaboration, and institutional trust.

Mark Carney, on the other hand, benefits from being perceived as measured and policy-driven. His perceived temperament matches what more Canadians are looking for right now, especially as his government navigates complex negotiations with the United States and continues to respond to global trade turbulence stirred up by Donald Trump.

Canadians are not vague or passive about what they want in a leader. They want someone who puts the country first, understands their challenges, and brings a clear, steady hand. Right now, Mark Carney is meeting those expectations better than Pierre Poilievre, not just with his own base, but with the people in the middle who will decide future elections.

These numbers reinforce the challenge Poilievre faces in broadening his appeal. He’s not far off in raw vote numbers, but he trails on the stuff that defines prime ministerial leadership in the minds of most Canadians. That doesn’t mean the gap can’t close, but it may require a recalibration of tone and substance or a change in the competitive landscape (a rising NDP and BQ).

As Canadians enter the second half of 2025, most are not demanding radical reinvention. They’re asking for stability, empathy, and competence. The question isn’t just whether voters are satisfied with government performance at this point; it’s whether they see a leader who matches the moment. 

Carney’s calm, technocratic style fits well with a public mood that prizes steadiness over spectacle. For Poilievre, the challenge isn’t enthusiasm, it’s expansion. Unless he can reshape how Canadians see him on the traits they value most, the path to victory will depend less on how frustrated people are with the status quo, and more on whether they believe the alternative is truly ready to lead.

Face the fact that Poilievre is just not likeable.  It's no more complicated than that.

Well ... Many words just to say the Carney's steady do nothing technocratic approach to doing nothing will eventually result in nothing being done, and that's giving him credit for doing nothing.

Come the fall and a "budget" we will see, maybe, could happen, not yet sure, however, such is the possibility of things being possible.

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, I am Groot said:

At a time when right-wing populism has fractured conservative parties across the Western world, he has consolidated the Canadian Right into a single, mainstream political vehicle.

It's disgusting the way left4rd cultists talk about conservatives.

Apparently if you're too smart to jab your 6-yr-old with Fauci-juice and you don't hate the energy sector in your own country then the cultists think of you as a "RIGHT-WING POPULIST!!!!!" lol.

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Yes, blowing a huge lead and losing a 4th election for the Cons. Keep up the good work, PeePee!

You see the world through the eyes of a 4-yr-old.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

Conservatives now leading for the first time since March.  The Carney honeymoon is over.

Even with the full weight of the CBC/CTV propaganda machine they can't even fake a poll that has the Libs in front lol. 

[LinkSoul60]

15 minutes ago, Legato said:

Well ... Many words just to say the Carney's steady do nothing technocratic approach to doing nothing will eventually result in nothing being done, and that's giving him credit for doing nothing.

Come the fall and a "budget" we will see, maybe, could happen, not yet sure, however, such is the possibility of things being possible.

The thread is Poilievre is back, but the fact is that Canadian voters say he's not...  other than of course the sham of going to buttluck AB to get a seat in the house.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

A talent for being a yappy little attack dog, not the required talent to actually be a Prime Minister.

Dude you voted for Justin Trudeau, you are absolutely not qualified to talk about what would make a good prime minister  

And your latest choices already stumbling and failing as well.

PP has the skills and experience to be one of the great prime ministers. And i suspect watching carney it won't be all that  long and he'll get a chance to prove it. 

[Shady]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Love the daily moral victories for Canada's perpetual second place party.  

Your graph aside and from same site, the bottom line from this is;

 

So What?

In a tight race where the Conservative and Liberal parties are statistically neck-and-neck, the question of leadership character could play a defining role. Voters aren’t just asking who has the better policy, they’re asking who they trust to steer the country through a moment defined by volatility, high stakes diplomacy, and shifting economic terrain.

Pierre Poilievre’s strength continues to lie in mobilizing his base and speaking to a sense of urgency and dissatisfaction. But the data here reveal the limits of that strategy: his brand is not yet aligned with the broader public’s expectations of a Prime Minister. And his more confrontational political style, while appealing to core supporters, may be holding him back among those who value calm, collaboration, and institutional trust.

Mark Carney, on the other hand, benefits from being perceived as measured and policy-driven. His perceived temperament matches what more Canadians are looking for right now, especially as his government navigates complex negotiations with the United States and continues to respond to global trade turbulence stirred up by Donald Trump.

Canadians are not vague or passive about what they want in a leader. They want someone who puts the country first, understands their challenges, and brings a clear, steady hand. Right now, Mark Carney is meeting those expectations better than Pierre Poilievre, not just with his own base, but with the people in the middle who will decide future elections.

These numbers reinforce the challenge Poilievre faces in broadening his appeal. He’s not far off in raw vote numbers, but he trails on the stuff that defines prime ministerial leadership in the minds of most Canadians. That doesn’t mean the gap can’t close, but it may require a recalibration of tone and substance or a change in the competitive landscape (a rising NDP and BQ).

As Canadians enter the second half of 2025, most are not demanding radical reinvention. They’re asking for stability, empathy, and competence. The question isn’t just whether voters are satisfied with government performance at this point; it’s whether they see a leader who matches the moment. 

Carney’s calm, technocratic style fits well with a public mood that prizes steadiness over spectacle. For Poilievre, the challenge isn’t enthusiasm, it’s expansion. Unless he can reshape how Canadians see him on the traits they value most, the path to victory will depend less on how frustrated people are with the status quo, and more on whether they believe the alternative is truly ready to lead.

Face the fact that Poilievre is just not likeable.  It's no more complicated than that.

It’s only been a few months.  Don’t worry, things are gonna get much worse for Carney.  It’s too bad the “perpetual first place party” has run Canada into the ground in the meantime.  You should try not treating politics like a team sport.

[Shady]

Elbows up went to t*ts up pretty quickly! 😂😂😂

 

[TreeBeard]

19 minutes ago, Shady said:

Elbows up went to t*ts up pretty quickly! 😂😂😂

 

Now you believe in polling?  When did this start?

Also, weren’t the Cons up by 25 points and still lost?   Being up 4 points seems pretty trivial. Cons can p!ss that lead away overnight! 

Edited August 24, 2025 by TreeBeard

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Well ... Many words just to say the Carney's steady do nothing technocratic approach to doing nothing will eventually result in nothing being done, and that's giving him credit for doing nothing.

Come the fall and a "budget" we will see, maybe, could happen, not yet sure, however, such is the possibility of things being possible.

HA HA HA 

Thing is, Carney is PM and PP is not LOL

[Legato]

8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

HA HA HA 

Thing is, Carney is PM and PP is not LOL

Is he?

[ExFlyer]

13 minutes ago, Legato said:

Is he?

Repeat just for you... Carney is PM and PP is not or is there some conservative witchcraft that disputes that LOL

Second place is the first LOSER.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Shady said:

It’s only been a few months.  Don’t worry, things are gonna get much worse for Carney.  It’s too bad the “perpetual first place party” has run Canada into the ground in the meantime.  You should try not treating politics like a team sport.

Yeah, people don't pay a lot of attention during the summer and traditionally for the first 6 months after an election they're not really thinking about their decision. But we're quickly coming to the end of that and in the fall people start paying attention again.

You can bet carney is trying to set up a bunch of be released early fall but at the end of the day people are going to start noticing the things aren't getting any better and in fact they're getting worse.

It's going to get harder and harder for him, and Pierre will be there to rub his nose in his misakes just like he was with justin, AND this time they're going to propose a bunch of bills, and carney will have to explain why he isn't supporting them and that won't be a good look. 

 

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Elbows up went to t*ts up pretty quickly! 😂😂😂

 

Yep and they were one of the more accurate ones all the way through the election surprisingly. 

I think it's a bit of an outlier but the big difference is suddenly PP was in the news again. The moment he was back in the news he went up and Carney went down. 

 

[CdnFox]

57 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Also, weren’t the Cons up by 25 points and still lost? 

Nope  Point to one poll that had PP up 25 points over carney.  Oh you can't? hmmm  

You guys have to lie to make your point. What does that say about your point?  

[Queenmandy85]

Buckle up. Parliament is about to get more entertaining. I am curious to see if Mr. Poilievre will be able to convince the voters who switched to the grits as soon as Prime Minister Trudeau did a Hank Snow, that he is a changed man. That will be a hard task. I feel sorry for both men. I has to be wounding to face the fact that a lot of people hate you. It is not that they loved Pierre, just that they hated Justin more.

Mr. Poilievre should take the advice from a person who has never won an election (me ). Take your time. Savoure the fun that comes with being Leader of the Opposition while the grits start loosing support, before going into an election. Pierre needs time to prove he has changed.

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Buckle up. Parliament is about to get more entertaining. I am curious to see if Mr. Poilievre will be able to convince the voters who switched to the grits as soon as Prime Minister Trudeau did a Hank Snow, that he is a changed man. That will be a hard task. I feel sorry for both men. I has to be wounding to face the fact that a lot of people hate you. It is not that they loved Pierre, just that they hated Justin more.

 

It's popular for liberals to convince themselves that not many people like poilievre. But the fact is everywhere he goes he feels massive venues with thousands or tens of thousands of people who want to listen to him and appreciate him and what he has to say.

He was just in Greater Vancouver again last week and once again standing room only and they wished they'd gotten a bigger venue.

People definitely hated Justin, he couldn't go anywhere without people losing it at him but people like Pierre a lot more than you think.

I think we'll see some new tactics this time though. The attack dog stuff was extremely effective both jagmeet Singh and Justin Trudeau are gone and both  were utterly destroyed.  But I think he realizes he needs to add some depth to that.

It sounds like his tact this time will be to include many new bills. These bills will appeal to things that Canadians want addressed such as crime, and the liberals will either have to shoot them down and explain why they are pro crime or let them pass and give credit to the conservatives who will claim they are the ones getting things done.

Another big difference is the NDP is going to be looking for a fight as soon as they are able. As soon as they get a leader and get their financial woes even partially under control they're going to want to go to an election and get official party status. Even if they have to focus on just winning 12 or 13 easy ridings to get their status back that's what they're going to do. And they are going to be gunning for the liberals hard when that happens.

We'll see. 

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Mr. Poilievre should take the advice from a person who has never won an election (me ). Take your time. Savoure the fun that comes with being Leader of the Opposition while the grits start loosing support, before going into an election. Pierre needs time to prove he has changed.

He's probably not going to get a choice. The NDP aren't even going to elect a leader until late winter early spring next year, and their financial woes are nothing to sneeze at. They will have to sell off major assets just to survive.

That new leader will inevitably want to go to the polls as soon as possible to win back party status, and as soon as they've got enough money to make a serious effort in 20 or 30 ridings that they think they can win they'll likely go but the soonest that would be would be fall 2026.  And really spring 2027 would be more likely. 

Given what we know right now and the way things are my guess is we're looking at a late 2026 or early 2027  election and it's just not reasonable to see it happening much before that.