Dyan Adams wants leadership

[Argus]

If we are going to have a functioning federation in Canada, the federal government must work in both English and French.

What language the bureacrats work in is irrelevent to a functioning Canada. No one knows or sees or hears.

On the other hand, if we have a situation where 90% of the senior bureacrats are Quebecers, that could definitely pose a major danger to confederation.

BTW, Quebec appears to function while its government and institutions, by law, work entirely in one language. If you Quebecers feel a bilingual bureacracy is important perhaps you might consider holding your noses and hiring the occasional anglo for your civil service.

[Leafless]

Argus

You wrote- " On the other hand if we have a situation where 90% of the senior bureacrats are Quebecers, that could definitely pose a major danger to confederation."

That is an understatement!

This could be considered or postively reflect a doomsday politcal scenario for Canada.

Totally unthinkable but entirely possible.

[seabee]

This could be considered or postively reflect a doomsday politcal scenario for Canada.

Why would it be a "doomsday" for Canada?

[shoop]

It isn't. Just histrionics to as an attempt to try and justify his rage at the OLA.

Why would it be a "doomsday" for Canada?

[Leafless]

seabee

You wrote- " Why would it be a doomsday for Canada."

Think of security alone.

-What would happen if there was some sort of political upheaval between Quebec and the rest of Canada with the governments most politically sensitive documents falling into the hands of Quebec separatist, freely given to them by francophone senior bureaucrat sympathizers.

-Or simply having classified information given to separatist looking for ways to gain an upper hand concerning various political situations.

-Or considering what the animosity level would be from other Canadian provinces as the level of senior francophone bureaucrats rises dramatically would no doubt produce an unacceptable political crisis.

The present situation to-day it seems provides no CULTURAL safegards concerning federal control of it's own resources and the safety of the citizen's of Canada. The federal government has a duty to provide at all times a safe and secure federal government and country.

The sponsership scandal is an example of lax government controls with the root cause being cultural indifferences in which the government really had little control in the whole matter and in fact if it initially separated itself from trying to control culture the whole situation would probably never have occurred.

But again the federal government continues to forge ahead in a volatile cultural area (OLA and official bilingualism) an area they really have no buisness in with the full potential of serious problems.

[mcqueen625]

Article: Ottawa Citizen, Wednesday, May 10, 2006, Pg.A3.

Titled: Tories language policy a 'concern'.

Dyane Adams says Prime Minister Stephen Harper needs to start taking the country's bilingual nature seriously.

" What I want is leadership and this is a call for action for this government to say publicly where they stand" said Ms. Adam as she released the final annual report of her seven year stint.

She said the concept of bilingualism was nearly invisible in the governments throne speech and absent from it's first budget and even quoted Mr. Harper and Tory MP Scott Reid calling bilingualism " the god that failed".

She also had concern about Public Works, RCMP, still getting failing grades when it comes to offering a bilingual work enviroment and services to the public and suggested the government also move quickly on adapting legislation to protect the bilingual nature of Air Canada.

A spokesman for the prime minister said Ms. Adams concern about Tories are unfounded. The party supported a law toughening the 'Official Languages Act' that passed while the Conservatives were still in oppositon said spokesman Dimitris Soudas.

" We believe the linguistic duality is one of the foudations of Canadian society," he said. " We are committed to enforcing the "Official Languages Act."

I also think official bilingualism has failed and is discriminatory, racist and serves no purpose other than to give francophones federal jobs on the basis of being bilingual and to contribute further problems by trying to create an official bilingual workplace when either is justified since 85% of Canadians speak English.

I will ask you the question... Are you in favour of the Conservatives supporting 'Official Bilingualism' in government and propagating or supporting it in majority English provinces at public expense?

Duality was never the stated goal of "Official Bilingualism when the concept was first introduced. I believe the terminology used was "Wheere numbers warranted it." Since approximately only 17% of Canadians profess themselves to be bilingual, I would say this whole exercise has been a total failure.

In New Brunswick, the only "Officially Bilingual" province or Territory in Canada the success rate is no better. In fact the French Immersion Program, according to former Education Minister, Elvy Robichaud, was never designed nor expected to produce fluently bilingual graduates. Since both federal and provincial jobs designated as bilingual require fluency instead of just functionally bilingual, this leaves most students from the French Immersion Program totally unqualified to even make application for these jobs.

I think it is time that we repeal the language legislation, as unworkable and discriminatory, meant only as make-work projects for French speaking Canadians to the detriment of the unilingual English speaking majority. With this repeal we could send Dyane Adam packing so that she can find herself a real job, if she actually qualifies. This department is nothing but a burden on the taxpayer's of this country.

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shoop

You wrote- " It isn't. It's just histrionics to as an attempt to try and justify his rage at the OLA."

Your off topic with cheap personal shots!

I'm expressing my opinion as an English speaking Canadian loyal to the country of CANADA and have serious reservations concerning the continuning decay of democracy and federalism caused primarily by an unacceptable degree of political pandering to a province that knows no limits concerning it's perpetual political demands based on cultural indifference.

This would probably be seen as histrionics by someone like yourself who lacks the courage, dedication and loyality to support the type of government needed to curtail and control abusive federal political attacks and demands from ANY province in Canada and take whatever measures necessary to eliminate it.

[shoop]

Either you don't have the first clue what the word histrionics actually means OR you are presenting some very witty and biting satire.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and applaud you on your comedic instincts sir.

This would probably be seen as histrionics by someone like yourself who lacks the courage, dedication and loyality to support the type of government needed to curtail and control abusive federal political attacks and demands from ANY province in Canada and take whatever measures necessary to eliminate it.

[Argus]

This could be considered or postively reflect a doomsday politcal scenario for Canada.

Why would it be a "doomsday" for Canada?

Well, I can foresee a time when some newspaper or another breaks that figure, and we have a political fight over languages reminiscent of the air traffic controllers fight some years back. That one was very nasty. This would be nastier still, with all the pent-up anger at Quebec (it's there, bubbling just beneath the surface) and its endless whining and the government's neverending appeasement towards them. It could lead to English Canada being pitted against Quebec, outright demanding the end of such policies, and Quebecers reacting with typical emotional indignation deciding to throw in the towel.

Aside from that, it just means every other province in Canada would continue to be screwed for Quebec's benefit, only moreso.

[No truth]

"What do you see as a fair concession to keep Quebec in Canada?"

The banning of a political party bent on destroying the country would be a good start. Unlike many, I was immensely disappointed that Pierre Trudeau did not go far enough with the War Measures Act. I would have had no problem with seeing Levesque frog-marched to the gallows for treason. If the price of keeping Canada together is giving all the power to Quebec, it's not worth it.

Let the wailing begin.

[Leafless]

shoop

You wrote- " Either you don't have the first clue what the word histrionics means OR you are presenting some very witty and biting satire."

The way I read it is you are accusing me of using ' insincere and dramatic behavior designed to impress' "as an attempt to try and justify his (my) rage at the OLA."

And I replied- " This would probably be viewed as histrionics by someone like yourself who lacks the courage, dedication and loyality to support the type of government needed to curtail and control abusive federal political attacks and demands from ANY province in Canada and take whatever measures to eliminate it."

This in short means you do not recognize the seriousness of this situation and continue to go along with the will of the federal government, regardless and support the OLA and 'official bilingualism and are are willing to learn French to help your career in the federal public service while putting down others who do not share your view.

In my years on this planet outside of written literature I have never once heard anyone in actual conversation use the word ' histrionics', except you.

Maybe you have different types of associates than I do of the 'white wine type' which of course there's nothing the matter or wrong with that.

[shoop]

What is the seriousness of the situation?

I have said over and over that I do not agree with the OLA. However, there are far more things to get upset about.

White wine associates Is that some sorta silver-spoon socialist accusation?

You gotta love this board.

Maybe you have different types of associates than I do of the 'white wine type' which of course there's nothing the matter or wrong with that.

[Leafless]

shoop

You wrote- " What is the seriousness of the situation."

The decay of federalism and democracy caused by Quebec hyper pandering primarily by a string of Liberal prime ministers including a Quebec Conservative one under the guise of the quest for 'unity', Quebec style that is.

We already covered this and I know you have a hard time grasping the situation.

You also wrote- " I have said over and over I do not agree with the OLA. However there are far more things to get upset over."

You have already stated 'official bilingualism is "a fact of life" and you are learning French to advance your career as a federal public servant, if you are one that is.

Aren't you being a little hypocritical by voluntarily succumbing to OLA standards and then stating " I do not agree with the OLA?

What's more important in this country than the country itself being in a positon to be potentially destroyed, driven on a path of self destruction by inept politicians?

[shoop]

The decay of federalism and democracy caused by Quebec hyper pandering primarily by a string of Liberal prime ministers including a Quebec Conservative one under the guise of the quest for 'unity', Quebec style that is.

We already covered this and I know you have a hard time grasping the situation.

I have a hard time *grasping* the situation because you through out terms like the "decay of federalism" without any support. We haven't *covered* an issue just because you said it is so. Provide some support. Do you have one actual example of this "decay"?

You have already stated 'official bilingualism is "a fact of life" and you are learning French to advance your career as a federal public servant, if you are one that is.

Aren't you being a little hypocritical by voluntarily succumbing to OLA standards and then stating " I do not agree with the OLA?

It's hypocritical to prepare myself for the possibility of using French in the future?

Believe it or not, there are jobs outside the Canadian federal service that require French. Have you ever thought that might be why I am studying French?

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schoop

You wrote- " Do you have one example of this 'decay' (federalism)?

-Sure, how about since the Trudeau era 36 years of rule by Quebec prime ministers hyper pandering to Quebec and dependent on Quebec votes that allowed mainly the Liberals to propagate similar Quebec style ideologies, socialistic policies and programs. This includes repatriation of our Constitution with the damaging changes that followed with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms resulting in undemocratic advancement of Quebec political ideologies and undemocratic political manouvres resulting with government implementing divisive laws resulting in diverse applications relating to the concept of marriage and leading to SSM.

-This guarateed a Liberal stranglehold on Canadian politics making it virtually impossible for any other more right wing party to break this stranglehold unless oppostion parties DUPLICATED Liberal political ideologies especially in Quebec and postioned Liberals to bribe other parts of Canada with similar left wing social policies. This lasted until the Liberals finally buried themselves neck deep with their own political corruption namely the 'sponsership scandal'.

-But what really is the weak link in federalism to-day ( resulting from years of Liberal control) is the uncontested acceptance of Quebec as a separatist nationalistic controlled province in a country based on federalism. How this factor can be decided and pursued as normal federal politics by polticians without the input of Canadians is needless to say mind boggling and extemely unsettling and dangerous.

But now Stephen Harper is already poised in a postion to further hyper pander to Quebec with further federal concessions for his party to remain viable with the hope of securing more Quebec votes.

How much longer can this conditon (Quebec hyper pandering) without the federal seams breaking has in my opinion reached the limit without breaking federalism entirely.