gatomontes99 Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 I'll preface everything I'm putting on here: This is all preliminary information. The information I have collected might change. In no way am I making any conclusions. JIA5342 is operated by PSA, a regional airline operating under the American Airlines flag. It was a CRJ700 that can hold 71 passengers and crew. It flew from KICT (Wichita KS) to KDCA (Washington DC Reagan). Here is the flight track: Flight Aware The helicopter was PAT 25. That is a helicopter that transports VIPs in the DC area. It is reported that it was on a training flight and carrying 4 people. This is reportedly the Radar that ATC for the incident. I can not verify that: https://x.com/ThatIdahoDude/status/1884906051822297487/video/2 JIA5342 was approaching the airport from the south. They had been cleared for an approach to runway 01. When they talked to the airport tower, they were asked by the tower if they could accept runway 33. After about a minute of silence, JIA5342 accepted the runway change. *A runway change requires the crew to verify landing performance, obstacle clearance and their ability to maintain a stable approach.* *KDCA likes to land on runway 33, when possible, because it effectively doubles the number of aircraft that can approach and depart relative to just using runway 01 for departure.* JIA5342 continued the approach and appears to have flown a stable approach that complied with all normal approach criteria. PAT 25 is reported to have been on a training mission. The tower reported the JIA5342 to PAT25. PAT25 requested to continue while maintaining visual separation. The tower approved that request. *This is a normal request. The helicopter was required to watch the aircraft and stay clear of the aircraft's path.* Moments later, the tower notices that the helicopter is in close proximity to the jet and assigns PAT25 instructions to pass behind the CRJ. PAT25 acknowledges and accepts the instructions. *It is likely that ATC issued the instructions in response to the CA (collision alert) they saw on their radar. The tower does not appear to ever alert the CRJ of the helicopter. This is the audio from the KDCA tower. The incident starts at about 12:00. LIVEATC.COM I know that JIA5342 was equipped with a TCAS (Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance System). That system should have alerted the crew in the CRJ of traffic in their area. However, at low altitudes it does not provide separation guidance. It would, however, display the altitude of the helicopter. This is assuming the TCAS system was operational. Airlines do have the ability to operate aircraft without working equipment if they comply with a MEL (Minimum Equipment List). The MEL would have prescribed procedures for operating without the system and a time line for repair. It is not known if the system was operating at the time. I have seen people on X saying this accident is a result of DEI or Trump vacating all the seats at a committee. Neither DEI or some committee would have caused or prevented this accident. Saying either is the cause is speculation for political purposes and almost certainly wrong. Typical investigations into accidents take about two years to complete. Do not expect an answer soon. As a general statement, most accidents are due to pilot or controller error. Human error. I would expect this will be the case with this accident. I will let the investigation make that determination, though. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
NAME REMOVED Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30  Most of the US figure Skating Team was on that flight, returning from a event on Wichita, KS. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 (edited) Trump gaslighting the public as per usual. He is firing hundreds of Government employees, including FAA and TSA officials and air traffic controllers, yet has not offered any condolences to the victims, rushes to judgement, and blames his predecessors  Edited January 30 by DUI_Offender 1 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 24 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Trump gaslighting the public as per usual. He is firing hundreds of Government employees, including FAA and TSA officials and air traffic controllers, yet has not offered any condolences to the victims, rushes to judgement, and blames his predecessors  You don't have to lean into it though brother. You still have a choice of having a moment to reflect on the tragedy before you start posting this crap. You are doing what you are claiming trump is doing. It's okay to take a moment before we go there. Just a thought for next time Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CdnFox Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 This is obviously a tragic accident. When you take a look at all of the factors with flying into and out of a busy airport it's amazing a testimony to the technology into the people involved that there aren't more accidents. But no matter what you do someone somewhere is going to make a mistake at some point. I'm sure we will know more later but that appears to be what happened here. What we can focus on right now is that there are a number of people who have unfortunately died and this is going to have an impact on their families and to a degree their nation and we could take in a moment to acknowledge that and quietly hope that at some point they can find peace and move on with their lives. Sometimes bad things happen to good people and there really isn't about blame as much as it is about recognizing that our world is not perfectly safe nor was it intended to be, but That is the price of being alive. We just have to learn to cope effectively with it Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Deluge Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 42 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Trump gaslighting the public as per usual. He is firing hundreds of Government employees, including FAA and TSA officials and air traffic controllers, yet has not offered any condolences to the victims, rushes to judgement, and blames his predecessors  If it's true, then this info needs to be made public. Given the last four years, I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of the hires were 100% based on skin color and sexual preference. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 1 minute ago, Deluge said: If it's true, then this info needs to be made public. Given the last four years, I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of the hires were 100% based on skin color and sexual preference. Wait for the investigation. If there was a pilot error or the light it'll come out and we can address it then. There have always been and will always be air crashes regardless of what the policy of the government of the day is. It sounds to me like air traffic control gave the correct instructions and either one or both of the pilots in the aircraft thought they had the correct airplane in sight but somehow made a mistake.  Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Deluge Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Wait for the investigation. If there was a pilot error or the light it'll come out and we can address it then. There have always been and will always be air crashes regardless of what the policy of the government of the day is. It sounds to me like air traffic control gave the correct instructions and either one or both of the pilots in the aircraft thought they had the correct airplane in sight but somehow made a mistake.  That's true, we should wait for all info to come out. Trump jumped the gun, but I still agree that there could be some genuine f*ckuppery that is connected to DEI. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 5 minutes ago, Deluge said: That's true, we should wait for all info to come out. Trump jumped the gun, but I still agree that there could be some genuine f*ckuppery that is connected to DEI. Anything's possible. But most of the time the simplest answer is that mistakes happen. Sounds like both the aircraft are on training flights, it's easy for instructors to be focused on the student and not outside and it's easy for students to make mistakes. We'll know soon enough and it's just really sad that it sounds like some people who are pretty good people got killed Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Deluge Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: Anything's possible. But most of the time the simplest answer is that mistakes happen. Sounds like both the aircraft are on training flights, it's easy for instructors to be focused on the student and not outside and it's easy for students to make mistakes. We'll know soon enough and it's just really sad that it sounds like some people who are pretty good people got killed That's the worst part of all of this, and I'm a little surprised that trainings were allowed to be that close. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 4 minutes ago, Deluge said: That's the worst part of all of this, and I'm a little surprised that trainings were allowed to be that close. Only one way to learn. Most airports have a bunch of trainees or newbies swarming around them at all times. I mean, where else are they going to train? To be honest my old instructor used to tell me that training pilots and new pilots are usually the very safest, as well as the very old pilots. Everything's new for training pilot so they tend to keep doing their walkarounds, follow all the rules, never take a shortcut, and they're petrified of doing something wrong so they tend to really focus. Very old pilots only got old by doing the same thing and learning to never take shortcuts. It's the middle-aged pilots we're starting to get a little bored and everything's routine and they have never had a problem so far so they start cutting corners and those are the ones who usually get you into trouble according to him  But yeah, airports are where the training facilities are pilots to specialty helicopter pilots. The airspace is always abuzz with newbies 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Deluge Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Only one way to learn. Most airports have a bunch of trainees or newbies swarming around them at all times. I mean, where else are they going to train? To be honest my old instructor used to tell me that training pilots and new pilots are usually the very safest, as well as the very old pilots. Everything's new for training pilot so they tend to keep doing their walkarounds, follow all the rules, never take a shortcut, and they're petrified of doing something wrong so they tend to really focus. Very old pilots only got old by doing the same thing and learning to never take shortcuts. It's the middle-aged pilots we're starting to get a little bored and everything's routine and they have never had a problem so far so they start cutting corners and those are the ones who usually get you into trouble according to him  But yeah, airports are where the training facilities are pilots to specialty helicopter pilots. The airspace is always abuzz with newbies I guess you're right. At the very least this is a major lesson for future trainings. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 59 minutes ago, CdnFox said: This is obviously a tragic accident. When you take a look at all of the factors with flying into and out of a busy airport it's amazing a testimony to the technology into the people involved that there aren't more accidents. But no matter what you do someone somewhere is going to make a mistake at some point. Firing thousands of Government employees that have decades of experience in the FAA, TSA, and Air Traffic Control will increase the odds of these types of incidents dramatically. BTW, I think Trump just got out of the washroom. You may want to clean his anus. Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 50 minutes ago, Deluge said: If it's true, then this info needs to be made public. Given the last four years, I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of the hires were 100% based on skin color and sexual preference. indeed, Woke DEI hiring has always been on trajectory to the breakdown of systems totally reliant on merit  Quote
Deluge Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 Just now, Dougie93 said: indeed, Woke DEI hiring has always been on trajectory to the breakdown of systems totally reliant on merit  Which is why this last election was inevitable - the true spirit of the US is far too entrenched to let psychopaths takeover. 1 minute ago, Aristides said: You guys are pathetic. Says the worm whose only true wish is to watch the West go up in flames. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: You guys are pathetic. This is why I love the "ignore" function. I see that they posted, but I usually skip over it, and converse with people who are not MAGA hyenas. On Occasion, thought, I will click on their name, just to amuse myself, in regards to how they will defend their Orange God. Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 1 minute ago, Deluge said: Which is why this last election was inevitable - the true spirit of the US is far too entrenched to let psychopaths takeover. well, as President Trump rightly said, Air Traffic Controller needs to be the elite of the elite this has to be the Tier One of the civilian side of government; no fail mission 1 Quote
Deluge Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: This is why I love the "ignore" function. I see that they posted, but I usually skip over it, and converse with people who are not MAGA hyenas. On Occasion, thought, I will click on their name, just to amuse myself, in regards to how they will defend their Orange God. Drunk_Offender is a liar and we both know it. That's the reason he has me on ignore. lol Quote
User Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 16 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: Firing thousands of Government employees that have decades of experience in the FAA, TSA, and Air Traffic Control will increase the odds of these types of incidents dramatically. BTW, I think Trump just got out of the washroom. You may want to clean his anus. OMG How dare Trump politicize this before the Investigation... but wait, let me do the same. Quote  Â
West Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 Trump lays the blame firmly at the feet of Pete Buttiegieg. I agree. Sad Quote
WestCanMan Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 You literally can't make this crap up... Some ret4rd on X is crying that Trump "didn't let a tragedy go to waste". I'd love to see what that low-IQ troll has to say about CNN/the Dems' comments during the first 24 hours after any tragedy that ever occurred in the US... Hell, CNN went straight to "conspiracy theory" BS about M Brown right away, incited racial rioting, and then turned out to just be wrong. "Oh well..."  Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
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