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When "Trump puts tariffs on Canada, Canada will have no alternative to sell our oil and gas.  One major reason is because there are so many obstacles to building a pipeline in Canada.  The Trudeau Liberals supported the U.N. Declaration on Indigenous Rights and many indigenous groups blocked the Energy East pipeline project from happening.

This is just one obstacle of many.  Our Liberal-NDP governments have done nothing to solve these problems and overcome the obstacles. Canadians will be in a dire position when the Trump tariffs kick in and there is nowhere else to ship our oil and gas.  We could have been selling oil and gas to many countries for years and earning a lot of money for the various services like health care and bringing prosperity and jobs to Canadians.  But it never happened thanks to the Liberal and left.

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There were a number of factors that contributed to TransCanada's October 5, 2017 decision to cancel the Energy East project, including "politics, the energy market and the economics of the energy industry."[7][Notes 1]

In 2015, National Energy Board members—NEB's chief executive, Peter Watson, Lyne Mercier, Jacques Gauthier and Roland George "derailed" the Board's public hearings and were "forced to recuse themselves from further dealings with Energy East".[12] They had held secret, private meetings in January 2015, with stakeholders, including Jean Charest, former Premier of Quebec who represented TransCanada at the time as a consultant.[13] Board members were "supposed to handle all of their dealings with stakeholders in public." Conservative MP, Lisa Raitt said the board members made a mistake with Energy East. "The NEB is there to make sure they do everything legally, by the book...If I were the minister in charge, I would read them the riot act."[7][12] Prior to the 2015 general election, then-Prime Minister Stephen Harper renewed the mandates of all nineteen politically-appointed permanent NEB members.[13] This prevented the "incoming government from making its own appointments to the regulator before the next federal election, scheduled for 2019."[13]

The proposed route crossed the "traditional territory of 180 different aboriginal communities",[14] most of which were strongly against it.[15] Each of the 180 may[clarification needed] in law have had a veto under the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples which Prime Minister of Canada Justin Trudeau had previously vowed to sign and uphold.[16] This veto right was supported by some Canadian oil extraction corporations such as Suncor.[17]

Energy East had generated controversy in various areas. Some communities through which it was proposed to pass (notably North Bay, Kenora, and Thunder Bay)[18] opposed it categorically.

In partial response to these concerns, the NEB had planned to hear aboriginal oral evidence [19] from 70 specific intervenors.[20]

The project was also strongly opposed by some Canadians on scientific grounds. The Pembina Institute released a report urging the National Energy Board to consider the impact on carbon emissions, estimating the project's upstream impact as being between 30 and 32 million tonnes of carbon emissions per year.[21][22] This position was supported by the Governments of Ontario and Quebec, who had wanted the impact of the project on greenhouse gases examined as part of the National Energy Board review process, but did not oppose the project in principle.[23] The Ontario Energy Board[24] also had right to assert its own conditions and jurisdiction, but did not before the project was cancelled.[citation needed]

Another controversial aspect was a new supertanker complex at the eastern end of the pipeline near Quebec City. Exploratory work was put on hold for a month after the Quebec Superior Court found that the Quebec environment ministry had not considered the impact of the project on beluga whales in the area.[25] A public opinion poll held in Quebec found only one-third of Québécois supported the pipeline, while it was supported by one-half of Canadians outside of Quebec.[26]"

Energy East - Wikipedia

Posted
1 hour ago, herbie said:

Need TWO threads to voice your unpopular opinions again?

only one-third of Québécois supported the pipeline

Well then i guess the majority has spoken....PP has already said that is what the notwithstanding clause is for, and jam that pipeline through....just like they did in BC...

We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.

Posted

If PP thinks he can use the Notwithstanding clause to jam a pipeline thru, then there would be a legit reason to storm Parliament.
In spite of how many political illiterates think, a PM does not have the power to flap his gums and it becomes law like the Mango Mussolini down south does. Nor do the Emergency powers cover things aside from civil unrest and disasters.

Nor does the ability to put environmental policy back 100 years entitle anyone to do so.

As I pointed out many, many times Alberta was given the right to build a pipeline thru BC in spite of overwhelming opposition if it met conditions and it wouldn't even negotiate. AS butt stubborn as Trumpalos, it carried on how the ROC is "obligated' to get their product to market. There is one pipeline and Justin Trudeau built it - got it? They were walking away so HE BUILT IT and the f*cking ingrates are still whining like babies that he was the problem.

Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, herbie said:

only one-third of Québécois supported the pipeline

Then cut off the hundreds of millions of dollars in equalization payments that Quebec receives from the west, particularly the oil-producing province of Alberta.  They want the money without doing their part in Canada.  They don't even pay carbon taxes in Quebec.  They receive everything on a platter and contribute nothing.

They have been brainwashed by the enviros and left in Quebec.  How would a pipeline through Quebec effect anybody there?  How would they even notice it?

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WTF do equalization payments have to do with pipeline support? Putting two things together into some word meme to make your rightwing nutjobs think they're connected?

TA understand, we're sick of ass backwards ANTI-enviros snivelling cuz they would rather lie, to themselves and others, what's right in their faces, simply because they don't wanna pull their thumbs outa their butts and take any responsibility.

Wah let's blame a whole province for not agreeing with me waaah!

 

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Posted
9 hours ago, herbie said:

If PP thinks he can use the Notwithstanding clause to jam a pipeline thru, then there would be a legit reason to storm Parliament.

Please wear hunter orange so we can recognize you under the hooves of that RCMP horse.

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On 1/21/2025 at 5:23 PM, herbie said:

If PP thinks he can use the Notwithstanding clause to jam a pipeline thru, then there would be a legit reason to storm Parliament.

And thank him?

Anyway storm ahead, we know you lefties can't shoot anyway :)  

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Says the local fascist who's pointing out that he WANTS an actual dictator in Ottawa.

We have one in ottawa right now, and that would make  YOU the facist considering  you support him. 

22 hours ago, herbie said:

WTF do equalization payments have to do with pipeline support? Putting two things together into some word meme to make your rightwing nutjobs think they're connected?

 

 

They absolutely will be connected if you turn them off until they agree to a pipeline :) 

That's not entirely without precedent. The federal government is cut off transfer payments to the provinces until they agreed to certain things in the past. Bottom line, you don't do what's best for Canada we don't pay you Canada's money. More than fair

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As I said to your fellow tribesmen, no matter which variation of I know you are but what am I you come up with it doesn't make it adult conversation.

You self proclaimed righties should really tax your brains and try to find another.

Posted
33 minutes ago, herbie said:

As I said to your fellow tribesmen, no matter which variation of I know you are but what am I you come up with it doesn't make it adult conversation.

You self proclaimed righties should really tax your brains and try to find another.

I don't know which kindergarten you're currently attending where you think that that was some sort of intelligent reply, but pointing out the simple truth is in fact something that makes an adult conversation by and large.

The current government that we have is extremely authoritarian and has in fact unlawfully declared the emergencies act to take action against their political opponents. They have further called for people not to tolerate those who have a different opinion with regards to the vaccine and referred to them as waste of space, bigots and misogynists, etc.

An oppressive and dictatorial style government is what we have at the moment. Trying to claim your preventing one is absolutely silly. I get that hurts your feelings but unfortunately replying as if you were of the same intellectual capacity as Ernie from Sesame Street won't help things

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On 1/21/2025 at 9:23 PM, herbie said:

If PP thinks he can use the Notwithstanding clause to jam a pipeline thru, then there would be a legit reason to storm Parliament.
In spite of how many political illiterates think, a PM does not have the power to flap his gums and it becomes law like the Mango Mussolini down south does. Nor do the Emergency powers cover things aside from civil unrest and disasters.

Nor does the ability to put environmental policy back 100 years entitle anyone to do so.

As I pointed out many, many times Alberta was given the right to build a pipeline thru BC in spite of overwhelming opposition if it met conditions and it wouldn't even negotiate. AS butt stubborn as Trumpalos, it carried on how the ROC is "obligated' to get their product to market. There is one pipeline and Justin Trudeau built it - got it? They were walking away so HE BUILT IT and the f*cking ingrates are still whining like babies that he was the problem.

Storm the parliament sure thing....lefties don't have the balls to storm a snow fort...As for flapping his gums, according to the polls he is on the way to a super majority, who or what will stop him from doing anything, i mean if we look at what justin has gotten away with....there is no limit....and if the notwithstanding clause is needed it is there...AAAHHH the emergency powers act, justin used things like storming the parliament kind of fall in that category...lets not forget calling the  tanks in to f*ck things up because someone had a nazi flag or was blaring their horn all night.......

Once elected and with a majority he can pretty much do whatever he wants...

As for Alberta....something you have not figured out yet it Alberta does well so does the rest of the country....and i thought we were united....Ask Quebec how they would feel if equalization payments were to stop...or the atlantic provinces...Right now we pay Saudis for their oil in the maritimes at market value....when we could be refining good alberta bitumen at 1/3 of the price...i know screw them Albertans even if the rest of us pay the price...One pipeline does not make it even, not even close...but then again, screw them guys right....And he Justin is the problem and if you can't see that you are what is wrong with the nation....yes sir...you...and everybody that voted for the left....you should wear that badge because you earned it...

We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.

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WAH WAH WTF are you talking about lefties for? You think liberals, centrists and mainstream conservative are going to support unconstitutional measures to force agendas that go against the will of the public? You in favour of actual dictatorships?
Or that your opinion on that is even remotely shared by the majority? Wake up!

You want us to copy the biggest failure of US so-called democracy where one man proc;aims whatever the hell he desires and it is law? We didn't fight a bloody revolution to replace the King with a 4 year one, we went along with telling the King to STFU and just wave to the crows and sign his name to what Parliaments decided. Decisions of many, not just one.

Posted
1 hour ago, Aristides said:

We did build pipelines but we built them south on the premise that it would provide energy security for both Canada and the US. Obviously a big mistake.

Well that was biden who killed that

Posted
5 hours ago, Aristides said:

Good thing it wasn't built, we would have been tied to their apron strings even tighter.

Hardly, they'd have been tied to ours. Agreements around the pipeline and the nature of having the supply in the first place would have made the US more dependant on our oil. 

You can't threaten to shut off something that was never built. 

 

Posted
2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Hardly, they'd have been tied to ours. Agreements around the pipeline and the nature of having the supply in the first place would have made the US more dependant on our oil. 

You can't threaten to shut off something that was never built. 

 

4 million barrels of oil a day go to the US from Canada. Through pipelines.

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On 1/21/2025 at 8:23 PM, herbie said:

If PP thinks he can use the Notwithstanding clause to jam a pipeline thru, then there would be a legit reason to storm Parliament.

which would in turn be a legit reason for Joint Task Force 2 to shoot some lunatic Progressives dead

don't threaten us with a good time ; bring on the yardarm

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On 1/21/2025 at 6:21 PM, Army Guy said:

Well then i guess the majority has spoken....PP has already said that is what the notwithstanding clause is for, and jam that pipeline through....just like they did in BC...

but with America set to drill baby drill, there is no reason for the global oil markets to build a trans Canada pipeline

in fact, Canada being forced to export oil through Texas at a 20% discount

is a desirable outcome for the markets

since Texas has the only refineries which are configured to process Canadian heavy crude

Canada has no refining capacity of its own, so heavy crude at Canadian tidewater is not going to be profitable

 

Posted
On 1/22/2025 at 8:11 PM, herbie said:

Says the local fascist who's pointing out that he WANTS an actual dictator in Ottawa.

the Emergencies Act is a two way street

turn around is fair play therein

go ahead and try to storm the Parliament, make our day

Posted
14 hours ago, Aristides said:

We did build pipelines but we built them south on the premise that it would provide energy security for both Canada and the US. Obviously a big mistake.

Canada didn't build the pipelines

American oil companies built the pipelines

Canada doesn't build anything anymore

Posted
10 hours ago, Aristides said:

4 million barrels of oil a day go to the US from Canada. Through pipelines.

And if it was 12 million that would be more.  I know math is hard but.... 

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