Army Guy Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 FP has taken two very prominent climate experts which both agree that perhaps Canada maybe even most of the globe are not on the right track, spending way more than we need to...after decades of climate research we still have not got it right.... Bjorn Lomborg: Climate spending costs the world more than climate change does 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 The rest of the world needs to pay heed to Europe’s example and stop wasting money on bad climate policies. I think it's safe to say the experts are feeling a little desperate. They're certainly underscoring the long established fact that poor people make even poorer stewards of the environment. I note they're not denying AGW will continue to worsen. I haven't been joking about the Evel Knievel/Hail Mary approach and unleashing the economy and stomping on the gas instead of the brakes. It's too late to turn away from the cliff so flying off the edge in hopes there's a soft landing spot on the other side of the chasm is the only way forward. I do pause to consider that the vast amount of wealth unleashing the economy will create will not be used for making everyone richer and as the author's point out more resilient in the face of increasing AGW. I suspect it'll be used in a last ditch Hail Mary attempt to move the 1% off world into space. To be sure though it'll be due to the other 99% doing all the heavy lifting. It is what it is. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 Hm ? Devil in the details - it says Climate Change " based on current trends — will have a global cost equivalent to between 1.9 and 3.1 per cent of global GDP. " That's every year. What are we spending now ? Google says: "Canada: In 2023, the Canadian government spent about 0.5% of GDP on climate action. The Climate Action Network Canada estimates that the government will increase its spending to 0.7% of GDP over the next five years 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Army Guy Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 (edited) 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Hm ? Devil in the details - it says Climate Change " based on current trends — will have a global cost equivalent to between 1.9 and 3.1 per cent of global GDP. " That's every year. What are we spending now ? Google says: "Canada: In 2023, the Canadian government spent about 0.5% of GDP on climate action. The Climate Action Network Canada estimates that the government will increase its spending to 0.7% of GDP over the next five years Thats not the details....If the temperature was to increase by 3 degrees, the global costs would be 1.9 and 3.1 % of global GDP... Perhaps i'm reading it wrong. Not to mention Carney has said price on carbon is not enough, if we are to reach our goals, he has also said he would also cancel the carbon price, that's what the people want but he is going to replace it with something else that would meet our goals... Quote The studies suggest that a temperature increase of 3°C by the end of the century — which is slightly pessimistic , based on current trends — will have a global cost equivalent to between 1.9 and 3.1 per cent of global GDP. To put this into context, the United Nations estimates that by the end of the century, the average person will be 450 per cent as rich as he or she is today. But because of climate change, he or she will feel “only” 435-440 per cent as rich as today. It should also be noted this is the path we are on now, look at the net cost 15 -37 trillion per year, or 15-37 % of global GDP.....not 1.9 or 3.1 % as Michael suggested, which is the price would we pay as the result of not doing anything for climate change....just mitigating the effects....... Quote More responsible politicians “only” want to achieve net-zero carbon emissions by 2050. But this approach still means slowing growth in the name of climate change, by forcing businesses and individuals to use less-efficient green energy instead of fossil fuels. The total costs would be enormous — US$15-US$37 trillion every year for the rest of the century, equivalent to 15-37 per cent of global GDP today. Quote Given that wealthier Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries will foot most of this bill, the price tag will be the equivalent to each person in the rich world paying over US$10,000 every year. Not only will this be politically impossible, but the benefit will be a far smaller one per cent of GDP across the century. The real cost of inefficient climate policy is that it distracts resources and attention from other priorities. Europe offers an object lesson. Twenty-five years ago, the European Union proclaimed that with massive investments in R&D throughout the economy, it would become “the most competitive and the most dynamic knowledge-based economy in the world.” It failed abjectly: innovation spending hardly budged and the EU is now far behind the United States, South Korea and even China. Instead the EU switched focus and in its myopic climate obsession opted for a “sustainable” economy over a sound one. The EU’s decision to increase its 2030 emission reduction targets was pure virtue-signalling. The cost is likely to top several trillion Euros, yet the entire effort will merely reduce temperatures by the end of the century by a trivial 0.004°C. As for What Canada is spending, sends a couple red flags up, 1) it is not much of a crises...2) since we have not met any of our goals we have set for ourselves again reinforces that idea that this is not a Crises, but rather a distraction for all the rest of the globes problems...And canada needs a lot of distractions...3) it also signals that our current policies on climate change are weak, 4) Canadians don't really care a whole lot about climate change. 5) what do you think the average Canadian is going to say if it costs 10,000 dollars per year just on fighting climate change.... Edited January 21 by Army Guy 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 21 Author Report Posted January 21 (edited) Even the minister of climate change is now saying that it is time to drop that policy....i find it very strange for the guy that championed our climate change policies now saying it is time to reverse them....What does that say about our current policy ? what it say about the environment minister ?...or is this all about politics, it's not popular so lets' drop it....and screw climate change....Or is it just showing us the liberals true colors Guilbeault open to abandoning carbon tax as he endorses Mark Carney | Watch Edited January 21 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Michael Hardner Posted January 21 Report Posted January 21 Right. No one's disputing net Zero would be expensive. Unluckily, we're not going to get there. We're spending less than 1% Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
taxme Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Hm ? Devil in the details - it says Climate Change " based on current trends — will have a global cost equivalent to between 1.9 and 3.1 per cent of global GDP. " That's every year. What are we spending now ? Google says: "Canada: In 2023, the Canadian government spent about 0.5% of GDP on climate action. The Climate Action Network Canada estimates that the government will increase its spending to 0.7% of GDP over the next five years So, just what proof do you have that indicates to you that there is a real climate crisis going on somewhere in the world? Nobody else seems to be able to tell or show me, so how about you, MH? Give me something to go on, will ya, MH? Quote
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 44 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Even the minister of climate change is now saying that it is time to drop that policy....i find it very strange for the guy that championed our climate change policies now saying it is time to reverse them....What does that say about our current policy ? Nothing compared to what it says about the spectacular success of decades of dedicated denial. ...decades of dedicated denial... That has a sort of Poilievre like alliterative ring to it doesn't it? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 54 minutes ago, Army Guy said: What does that say about our current policy ? what it say about the environment minister ?...or is this all about politics, it's not popular so lets' drop it....and screw climate change....Or is it just showing us the liberals true colors It's showing us that the frog's too big, the frog's too strong. The one in the pot that is. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
herbie Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 Oh noes! It might cost a penny to pull our thumbs out of our ass. Why not stick our whole hand up there, pull it out and flick the shit off in their libtard faces instead? Hungh Hungh Hunghhh! Just like Donnie Diaperman.... Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 A carbon tax does little when Donald pulls out of Paris accord and says drill baby drill. We don't even know how much the carbon tax actually reduces carbon use. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: A carbon tax does little when Donald pulls out of Paris accord and says drill baby drill. We don't even know how much the carbon tax actually reduces carbon use. I doubt drill baby drill will either. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
carepov Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Hm ? Devil in the details - it says Climate Change " based on current trends — will have a global cost equivalent to between 1.9 and 3.1 per cent of global GDP. " That's every year. What are we spending now ? Google says: "Canada: In 2023, the Canadian government spent about 0.5% of GDP on climate action. The Climate Action Network Canada estimates that the government will increase its spending to 0.7% of GDP over the next five years The predicted costs of climate change is 1.9-3.1 % of GDP 75 years from now Canada is spending "only" 0.5% of GDP now, but consider: -Today's spending will not reduce the above costs of climate change, and is therefore wasteful -What is the opportunity cost of that wasteful spending? If wisely invested, today's 0.5 % of GDP would surely greatly surpass 3% of GDP in 75 years. -Many Canadians (including Mark Carney?) passionately advocate for a dramatic increase in wasteful climate action spending, this article effectively outlines why that is a very bad policy. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 This phony war on climate change is the biggest hoax in history. Man cannot control the climate or global warming. But the Mother Earth worshipers are convinced man can. This is all part of the fallen human world whereby many are deceived and have such a swollen ego they think man can do anything, including control the climate. It has never been done and never proven that such a thing could be done and never will be done. Next thing men will think they can build a Tower of Babel to reach into heaven. They tried that in the Book of Genesis in the Bible and failed miserably. The rest of us can only bunker down and brace ourselves for more of this war on climate madness. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 1 hour ago, carepov said: -Today's spending will not reduce the above costs of climate change, and is therefore wasteful Where did you get this? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
carepov Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Where did you get this? "the EU switched focus and in its myopic climate obsession opted for a “sustainable” economy over a sound one. The EU’s decision to increase its 2030 emission reduction targets was pure virtue-signalling. The cost is likely to top several trillion Euros, yet the entire effort will merely reduce temperatures by the end of the century by a trivial 0.004°C." https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/bjorn-lomborg-climate-spending-costs-the-world-more-than-climate-change-does/ar-AA1xzRiO?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=6343fd26c47b490e828d053553b06fca&ei=55 Quote
eyeball Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 1 hour ago, blackbird said: Next thing men will think they can build a Tower of Babel to reach into heaven. They tried that in the Book of Genesis in the Bible and failed miserably. The story about the Tower of Babel should be upheld as an example of collective human cooperation. It looks like they were doing just fine until God decided to be a miserable old cùnt about it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 2 hours ago, carepov said: "the EU switched focus and in its myopic climate obsession opted for a “sustainable” economy over a sound one. The EU’s decision to increase its 2030 emission reduction targets was pure virtue-signalling. The cost is likely to top several trillion Euros, yet the entire effort will merely reduce temperatures by the end of the century by a trivial 0.004°C." https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/bjorn-lomborg-climate-spending-costs-the-world-more-than-climate-change-does/ar-AA1xzRiO?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=6343fd26c47b490e828d053553b06fca&ei=55 Quote the excerpt that supports your claim please. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
carepov Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Quote the excerpt that supports your claim please. yet the entire effort will merely reduce temperatures by the end of the century by a trivial 0.004°C. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 2 hours ago, carepov said: yet the entire effort will merely reduce temperatures by the end of the century by a trivial 0.004°C. Lomborg doesn't source that number. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
carepov Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Lomborg doesn't source that number. You cam try to follow his links where he talk more about it: https://www.euractiv.com/section/climate-environment/opinion/eu-must-get-smarter-to-lead-on-climate-change/ Quote
herbie Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 It only makes things a little less shitty so why even try? Quote
Army Guy Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 On 1/21/2025 at 8:38 PM, eyeball said: Nothing compared to what it says about the spectacular success of decades of dedicated denial. ...decades of dedicated denial... That has a sort of Poilievre like alliterative ring to it doesn't it? Your grasping at thin air here, this climate change failure belongs to the NDP/Liberals period....they set the polices, they were in charge, they are at fault....stop trying to pin this failure on someone else.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 23 Author Report Posted January 23 On 1/21/2025 at 7:56 PM, Michael Hardner said: Right. No one's disputing net Zero would be expensive. Unluckily, we're not going to get there. We're spending less than 1% Another red flag, and yet we are lead to believe this is a crises, a global crises at that, and year after year we have failed to make our own climate change goals...It is hard to get behind the whole liberal/NDP Carbon tax policies along with the red light flashing in the background to remind everyone it is a crises when our own government refuses to take it seriously... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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