godzilla Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 when Norway discovered oil in the 1970's they nationalized the profits and now have one of the largest sovereign wealth funds on earth. Government Pension Fund of Norway Canada just bends over for Big Oil. One could even say that these private entities rule us as all things "conservative" seem to come from Alberta politics. and its just another example when Dannielle Smith is bending over for Big Oil instead of supporting Canada first. Ford says Canada must come first as Smith breaks with premiers on Trump retaliation 1 Quote
eyeball Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 8 minutes ago, godzilla said: when Norway discovered oil in the 1970's they nationalized the profits and now have one of the largest sovereign wealth funds on earth. Government Pension Fund of Norway Canada should have hired Norway to manage our oil and gas sector. Maybe they could put in an offer to purchase Alberta. 2 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
herbie Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 Smith would sell it to Elon if she got the standard real estate commission. And he could buy it and probably would if they offered to get rid of all labour laws as part of the deal. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 2 minutes ago, herbie said: Smith would sell it to Elon if she got the standard real estate commission. And he could buy it and probably would if they offered to get rid of all labour laws as part of the deal. Since when is protecting Alberta jobs a bad thing, i mean liberals have made it a trademark move, remember SNC lavin, justin broke the law protecting french jobs.....so again what is wrong with protecting jobs....not just any jobs but jobs that bring in good value to our GDP, thousands of jobs would be affected if energy hits our oil and gas sectors... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
herbie Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Since when is protecting Alberta jobs a bad thing When it goes against the interest of the country as a whole. Which seems Smith's sole objective on everything. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 24 minutes ago, herbie said: When it goes against the interest of the country as a whole. Which seems Smith's sole objective on everything. Would you say that canada has had the best interest of Alberta in mind in the last 10 or so years, i would say not really we have restricted our fossil fuel sector by so much which is Alberta's bread and butter, not to mention a large contributor to our GDP, and tax base....25 tariffs on energy would devastate Alberta's economy, who can blame her for trying to protect all of that.... If her sole objective goes against the interest of Canada why are they not a separation movement...like the bloc party, why is it only Quebec can do that stuff and get a free pass....any ways Alberta is as Canadian as any other province... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 1 hour ago, herbie said: When it goes against the interest of the country as a whole. Which seems Smith's sole objective on everything. It doesn't go against Canada's interest as a whole. As is usually the case when you on the left find someone disagreeing with you you must cast them as an evil person with ill intent . This is about a difference of opinion as to how to proceed. Smith believes one way is best, the other premieres are interested in another way, and frankly given the federal treatment of alberta combined with justin's complete lack of action on this front so far it's not unreasonable that she might have a different take on how to handle it. She wants her people to have jobs and have an income and make money and have a good life. She is hired to protect that. That does not make her an evil person no matter what you claim 1 Quote
PIK Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 In other words Alberta is now the 51st state. And it won't be forgotten. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
blackbird Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 2 hours ago, herbie said: When it goes against the interest of the country as a whole. Natural resources are under the jurisdiction of the provinces, not the federal government. Royalties go to the provincial governments. Quote
taxme Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 3 hours ago, godzilla said: when Norway discovered oil in the 1970's they nationalized the profits and now have one of the largest sovereign wealth funds on earth. Government Pension Fund of Norway Canada just bends over for Big Oil. One could even say that these private entities rule us as all things "conservative" seem to come from Alberta politics. and its just another example when Dannielle Smith is bending over for Big Oil instead of supporting Canada first. Ford says Canada must come first as Smith breaks with premiers on Trump retaliation Smith being the smart one in the bunch. The rest are pretty much traitors to Canada. If there was a big buck in it for the rest of the premiers in Canada, they would all bend the knee. Only conservatives know how to do things right, and not left. Quote
PIK Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 She put oil ahead of the country. And then went on vacation. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
CdnFox Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 45 minutes ago, PIK said: She put oil ahead of the country. And then went on vacation. She put alberta ahead of anything else. Which is correct. She's hired by alberta. And alberta survives by selling oil. That's the way it is. Quote
eyeball Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: Since when is protecting Alberta jobs a bad thing, Ever since it became synonymous with kissing Trump's ass. 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: Would you say that canada has had the best interest of Alberta in mind in the last 10 or so years, i would say not really we have restricted our fossil fuel sector by so much which is Alberta's bread and butter, What are you talking about, Canada built them a pipeline FFS. 1 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 49 minutes ago, eyeball said: Ever since it became synonymous with kissing Trump's ass. What are you talking about, Canada built them a pipeline FFS. We did not build sh!t, Justin thought it would be a good idea to buy it, That's all on the liberals....Had they been listening to Alberta we would have a cross Canada pipeline to the Maritimes, so we could take advantage of cheap oil instead of buying Saudi oil at inflated prices.... tons of other pipelines could have been built, along with bitumen processing plants, even regulaR refiners so we did not have to rely on the states to process our oil then sell it back to us at inflated prices.... 4 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 3 hours ago, PIK said: She put oil ahead of the country. And then went on vacation. Can't put this all on her, Liberals were in power they could have spent good money on our security but instead gave the rest of the country the finger and feed canadians peanuts, or unneeded social programs...and for the most part Canadians let them do it... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
NAME REMOVED Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: We did not build sh!t, Justin thought it would be a good idea to buy it, That's all on the liberals....Had they been listening to Alberta we would have a cross Canada pipeline to the Maritimes, so we could take advantage of cheap oil instead of buying Saudi oil at inflated prices.... tons of other pipelines could have been built, along with bitumen processing plants, even regulaR refiners so we did not have to rely on the states to process our oil then sell it back to us at inflated prices.... AG, this is your chance to lead us. With your military experience, you can solve many of Canada's problems. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 20 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: AG, this is your chance to lead us. With your military experience, you can solve many of Canada's problems. My pet gopher could have managed better than any of the liberals in the last 10 years....look around you most government departments are not smoking but are on fire, and somehow you ok with it... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: AG, this is your chance to lead us. With your military experience, you can solve many of Canada's problems. Thanks to Justin and the liberal's incompetence an overripe avocado could solve many of Canada's problems. The bar has been set that low. Quote
Aristides Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 13 hours ago, blackbird said: Natural resources are under the jurisdiction of the provinces, not the federal government. Royalties go to the provincial governments. International trade and borders are a federal jurisdiction 1 Quote
Aristides Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 15 hours ago, Army Guy said: Would you say that canada has had the best interest of Alberta in mind in the last 10 or so years, i would say not really we have restricted our fossil fuel sector by so much which is Alberta's bread and butter, not to mention a large contributor to our GDP, and tax base....25 tariffs on energy would devastate Alberta's economy, who can blame her for trying to protect all of that.... If her sole objective goes against the interest of Canada why are they not a separation movement...like the bloc party, why is it only Quebec can do that stuff and get a free pass....any ways Alberta is as Canadian as any other province... It would mean that Americans would pay 25% more for the 4 million barrels of oil we send them every day. 1 Quote
cannuck Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 (edited) 15 hours ago, Army Guy said: If her sole objective goes against the interest of Canada why are they not a separation movement...like the bloc party, why is it only Quebec can do that stuff and get a free pass....any ways Alberta is as Canadian as any other province... There was a Western separatist movement, and with the disaster inflicted upon us by the East putting the Little Turd in power for 10 years it may well rejuvenate. Problem is: without AB/SK/MB energy there is no way Ottawa could afford Quebec. Edited January 17 by cannuck 1 Quote
Aristides Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 (edited) 10 hours ago, Army Guy said: We did not build sh!t, Justin thought it would be a good idea to buy it, That's all on the liberals....Had they been listening to Alberta we would have a cross Canada pipeline to the Maritimes, so we could take advantage of cheap oil instead of buying Saudi oil at inflated prices.... tons of other pipelines could have been built, along with bitumen processing plants, even regulaR refiners so we did not have to rely on the states to process our oil then sell it back to us at inflated prices.... Actually we did, the TMX at a cost of over 30 billion to get Alberta heavy oil to the west coast so they don''t have to be captive to US refineries. Who was going to build this pipeline to the east coast, there are no eastern refineries with the capacity to process heavy oil. Who was going to build those refineries? Edited January 17 by Aristides 1 1 Quote
Aristides Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 Look on the bright side, a Trump tariff might now make Energy East both politically and economically viable. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 4 hours ago, cannuck said: There was a Western separatist movement, and with the disaster inflicted upon us by the East putting the Little Turd in power for 10 years it may well rejuvenate. Problem is: without AB/SK/MB energy there is no way Ottawa could afford Quebec. Not really true at all. I know alberta likes to think it's energy puts a lot of money in ottawa's hands, it doesn't. The people have a higher per capita income so they pay more in taxes, but that's not that much either. Ontario itself pays vastly more to the feds than alberta sask and man do combined. They'd feel it but it's not as much as you'd think. They'd be pissed for other reasons. 4 hours ago, Aristides said: Actually we did, the TMX at a cost of over 30 billion to get Alberta heavy oil to the west coast so they don''t have to be captive to US refineries. Who was going to build this pipeline to the east coast, there are no eastern refineries with the capacity to process heavy oil. Who was going to build those refineries? Actually there was plenty of interest. And it wasn't the feds who were the biggest problems it was the provinces. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 4 hours ago, Aristides said: International trade and borders are a federal jurisdiction At the end of the day this is going to be the problem for smith. She can say what she likes, but the border and what gets to cross it under what conditions is definitely federal. Sounds like there was a productive meeting amongst the premiers. There was a lot of division about how to handle things going into it and they came out more or less united with the exception of smith. Sounds like they're agreeing to a phased approach where they add tariffs and restrictions and other things in a stepped up fashion so they don't just start off with maximum impact and energy bans. So hopefully even if trump does something the earlier stages of the trade war will address the problems before Energy embargoes come into play. But if they do she's really got nowhere to go. She can complain about constitutional crisis is all she likes but at the end of the day the company's shipping the oil will not want to have their executives arrested or their assets seized and they're going to comply I 100% get where she's coming from. If the pipelines that they had asked for had been built, and if they have been allowed to sell things like natural gas to all of the countries that wanted it by Japan and Germany etc etc when Trudeau said there was no business case, then Alberta would be in a vastly better position to absorb a short-term trade war. The feds have done everything they can to hamper alberta's energy sector and now that it's rebuilt itself a little they're threatening to throw it under the bus and leave Alberta bankrupt again. And she doesn't want that. I can respect that position. But I don't think she's going to have a lot of options Quote
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