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I was checking out the credentials of Mark Carney, an Edmontonian. Very impressive. He is one of the best economists in the World, serving the Bank of Canada, and the Bank of England. He also was a backup goalie for Harvard, and received his Masters degree in Economics from Oxford University. Compared to Pierre Poilievre, who's greatest accomplishment in life, has been "Paperboy of the Year" for the Calgary Sun, it should be an easy decision for most Canadians.

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Yes, an easy decision. Pierre Poilievre.

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3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I was checking out the credentials of Mark Carney, an Edmontonian. Very impressive. He is one of the best economists in the World, serving the Bank of Canada, and the Bank of England. He also was a backup goalie for Harvard, and received his Masters degree in Economics from Oxford University. Compared to Pierre Poilievre, who's greatest accomplishment in life, has been "Paperboy of the Year" for the Calgary Sun, it should be an easy decision for most Canadians.

He's not even remotely close to one of the best economists in the world. But he has been a successful banker. He did well when he was in Canada working under harper. He had a lot less luck in England unfortunately. But that's the way it bounces sometimes and bankers are bankers not gods and it's not like they can control everything.

But as a politician he's horrible. He's got ties to the wrong people including Epstein, he's very much been a tax and spend advocate and a huge massive advocate for carbon taxes, and he has zero political experience fighting campaigns or rebuilding a party that was recently decimated.

The liberals are going to select him as the leader, they will use him hoping that they can translate his record and reputation into saving the furniture and losing fewer seats than they would have under Trudeau, they will lose the election, and then they will hold a leadership review and kick his sorry ass to the curb.

Then all of the potential leaders who are strong who are backing out right now and not spending their 350k will jump into a real leadership race and the party will look to select someone who is the ideal choice to rebuild and refocus the party in their mind.

And if he had a little more political experience he would see that coming but he doesn't

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Yes, an easy decision. Pierre Poilievre.

And indeed it looks like 'for most canadians' if the polls are to be believed.  :)  

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2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 

I want a PM who has the courage to do the right thing and make the tough decisions without worrying about who might be offended.  Let's start putting the truth and Canada's national interests over people's feelings.  

I wish there was a party in the running that could accomplish this. Unfortunately it is not the PP and the Conservatives. 

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The events unfolding right next door show very clearly that binary political system is a grave danger to democracy and will bring it down. The only way I'll consider voting for them is if the new leader (Trudeau's limit has run dry) gives a solemn commitment on specific electoral reform, including proportional representation no pantos and games this time. If they don't happen to win this time it has to be carried in the future until it's done. Quite likely it's a matter of the survival for the democracy in the longer run.

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4 hours ago, myata said:

The events unfolding right next door show very clearly that binary system is a grave danger to democracy and will bring it down. The only way I'll consider voting for them is if the new leader (Trudeau's limit has run dry) gives a solemn commitment on specific electoral reform, including proportional representation no pantos and games this time. If they don't happen to win this time it has to be carried in the future until it's down. Quite likely it a matter of the survival for the democracy in the longer run.

In fairness to Trudeau, there was zero enthusiasm for electoral reform from the Canadian public. There is at least one good thing about FPTP. It often gives a disproportionate number of seats to the larger parties which is a blessing given their morbid fear of coalitions. 

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21 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

there was zero enthusiasm for electoral reform from the Canadian public.

Seriously? And nothing to do with the false memory syndrome? It was a central point in his election platform that won him a landslide. Those are facts, records can they be changed? All the time later he tried to install the 'no interest' adage into the people's minds. Looks like successfully at least in some cases.

21 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

It often gives a disproportionate number of seats to the larger parties

Correct so far.

21 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

which is a blessing

Blessing is relative, not so? Givinf a disproportionate number etc to a party taken over by populist authoritarian cult is a blessing? Don't count me in. Funny that we always count that it only happens to the others.

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In my little corner of Canada, I’ve been advocating for PR for decades to precisely zero effect. While people may politely listen to the deranged foreigner and look concerned or reply to a poll that something should be done, they haven’t the slightest intention of making it a priority. Perhaps if we have a few more 1993 election results they will wake up but I doubt it. 

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8 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Perhaps if we have a few more 1993 election results they will wake up but I doubt it.

Regionalist sentiments will need to be outright separatist to make a difference I think. I'd be okay with that in lieu of PR. Especially a PR system that's designed by and for political parties as opposed to ordinary Canadians.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

In my little corner of Canada, I’ve been advocating for PR for decades to precisely zero effect. While people may politely listen to the deranged foreigner and look concerned or reply to a poll that something should be done, they haven’t the slightest intention of making it a priority. Perhaps if we have a few more 1993 election results they will wake up but I doubt it. 

While i do agree with the sentiment that 'he ran on it  and should do what he promised',  in fairness there is much to support your position as well. 

Numerous times the issue has been put to referendum in various provinces, and more than once in bc, and even after extensive public debate and consideration the people always vote to stay with the current system. In the latest one in bc for example 61.3 percent of people wanted to keep the current system.

While FPTP is flawed, all the other systems are as well, and there are big advantages to having a gov't that has the power and mandate to get things done. And to be held accountable.  When people take a hard look at it they generally stick with FPTP

 

11 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I wish there was a party in the running that could accomplish this. Unfortunately it is not the PP and the Conservatives. 

I love that you think PP is afraid of offending people :)  

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15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Here's an article on the issue from England where he ran the bank. His record is not as stellar as he suggests

Mark Carney is not fit to be Canadian PM | The Spectator

Liberal voters don't care, if you have any attributes that make for a good leader, or can manage your bank account, i mean take a look at justin, he had none of those qualities and yet 3 times elected...Liberal voters are made from the same cloth, sparkling socks, good hair, is what they look for...and of course if you happen to be a constant liar, dishonest, no integrity, no honor, absolutely no leadership abilities...your in...

We as conservatives should be praising mark Carney, he is the man the liberals should put their weight behind....go carney go...

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We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.

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47 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

 

We as conservatives should be praising mark Carney, he is the man the liberals should put their weight behind....go carney go...

The word is Justin Trudeau's personally pushing him hard and his entire team is behind him. That right there should tell you all you need to know :) 

Does Hallmark sell any cards that have congratulations on the front and my condolences on the back? I feel like if they did this is where you would use it

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12 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Oh I don't know...

https://www.conservative.ca/pierre-poilievre/

He looks to be rather grounded in reality to me.

All PP has done in Parliament, and in the media, is trash Trudeau and be critical of every move he makes. Would it not be more effective, to offer solutions, to the problems Canadians are facing. One of the main reasons for the Liberals winning one of the largest majorities in Canadian history in 1993, was they issued a whole policy book, detailing their positions on just about everything, while the PC' and Kim Campbell floundered, telling people "the economy may not improve until the end of the decade." The economy started to improved within a year, and we had relative prosperity for the second half of the decade.

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1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

All PP has done in Parliament, and in the media, is trash Trudeau and be critical of every move he makes. Would it not be more effective, to offer solutions, to the problems Canadians are facing. One of the main reasons for the Liberals winning one of the largest majorities in Canadian history in 1993, was they issued a whole policy book, detailing their positions on just about everything, while the PC' and Kim Campbell floundered, telling people "the economy may not improve until the end of the decade." The economy started to improved within a year, and we had relative prosperity for the second half of the decade.

Look...it'll be a cold day in Helll before you vote conservative so...

But Poilievre will be the next PM, the gas tax will be repealed and common sense will return.

Have an apple...you'll feel better.

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2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

All PP has done in Parliament, and in the media, is trash Trudeau and be critical of every move he makes.

He's literally the leader of the opposition. You just described his job. The opposition puts the gov't under pressure and challenges everything they do, which forces the gov't to be sure to do the right things most of the time (in theory).  You've literally just said he's  doing his job well. 

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Would it not be more effective, to offer solutions, to the problems Canadians are facing.

Oh my god, NO. No it would NOT.  The role of the opposition is not to tell the gov't how to FIX what they're doing wrong. Running a gov't isn't a 'decision by decision' kind of thing, everything connects. And only the gov't has access to all the information, there's things the other parties just don't see.  So only the gov't can run the gov't, this is NOT some sort of 'rule by group' situation. 

As it is the opposition parties (all of them) do provide feed back at the various committees and such and do offer priority suggestions.  Polievre told Justin to scrap the tax ages ago for example.  A simple and easy to follow suggestion. 

I find it absolutely hilarious that you're mad at Polievre for not doing JUSTIN'S job :)  LOLOL

 Well sit back little guy, he'll be doing justin's job soon enough. 

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18 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I wish there was a party in the running that could accomplish this. Unfortunately it is not the PP and the Conservatives. 

I'd rather be led by a slimy arsehole than a slimy wimp.  Churchill > Chamberlain

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18 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I think they should just shut the Liberal Party down forever and everyone in the party right now should retire.

As much as I hate the LPOC it's important to have a second party as a viable option, and the NDP and Greens have too much of a clown-car history to ever be that. 

The Liberals have to find a leader just like the British needed to find a leader in WWII, and not for the LPOC at all, but for Canada. 

 

I think that most conservatives and undecideds in Canada would agree with me right now when I say that what the LPOC completely lacks right now is a general sense of integrity, and I think that the one person who can bring some of that back to the LPOC is JWR. She's a brilliant Canadian and a competent, seasoned politician with (bonus) DEI status oozing out of every pore. 

Nothing says "we're leaving Trudeau's BS in the dust" more than putting JWR at the head of the LPOC. She did the right thing, stood by her decision, and he ended her political career for that.

If the Libs put a Trudeau toady in his place, they go nowhere. It would be like choosing between Goebbels, Rommel and Guderian to lead the Germans out of Naziism.  

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2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

As much as I hate the LPOC it's important to have a second party as a viable option, and the NDP and Greens have too much of a clown-car history to ever be that. 

The Liberals have to find a leader just like the British needed to find a leader in WWII, and not for the LPOC at all, but for Canada. 

 

I think that most conservatives and undecideds in Canada would agree with me right now when I say that what the LPOC completely lacks right now is a general sense of integrity, and I think that the one person who can bring some of that back to the LPOC is JWR. She's a brilliant Canadian and a competent, seasoned politician with (bonus) DEI status oozing out of every pore. 

Nothing says "we're leaving Trudeau's BS in the dust" more than putting JWR at the head of the LPOC. She did the right thing, stood by her decision, and he ended her political career for that.

If the Libs put a Trudeau toady in his place, they go nowhere. It would be like choosing between Goebbels, Rommel and Guderian to lead the Germans out of Naziism.  

You're not wrong for the most part but she's not even remotely interested.  She was never really a politician to begin with. Which is about the nicest thing you can say about someone :)  

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13 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

While people may politely listen to the deranged foreigner and look concerned or reply to a poll that something should be done, they haven’t the slightest intention of making it a priority.

Yes unfortunately the "don't fix it" mentality has deep roots especially in backwater societies. Nothing ever happens here right? So why bother changing and learning? Except the evolution has the first for everything. The need for a meaningful change in the political system is pressing and palpable. A societal change will need an owner. And the only way I would even consider voting for Liberals is if they decide to own their own reneged promise.

If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant

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10 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

So why vote for PP, who by all accounts, is a slimy wimp.

Exactly. We have a slimy admirer of brutal authoritarian thugs and a slimy admirer of the slimy admirer. Has the definition changed over the decades, or is it the wiring in the brain?

If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant

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