godzilla Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 and now the circus clowns begin their reign of economic terror! haaha! House GOP puts Medicaid, ACA, climate measures on chopping block the "felon in chief" and GOP's MO is to renew the Trump tax cuts that will add another $10T to the national debt. that $10T going directly into the pockets of the richest Americans. but that pesky debt ceiling! so they are going to attempt to rifle through seniors benefits, health care for the poor and infrastructure spending to find that money for the billionaire boys club! of course, you can't bleed a stone so they have only been able to identify $5.6T in cuts that even they can stomach. mind you, Trump is not a "fiscal conservative"... they never are. he has repeatedly suggested that the US get rid of the debt ceiling so that his ilk can just shovel cash into their own pockets. the "felon in chief" will claim that he inherited such a mess (the economy being stronger than its been in US history) that billionaires need more money. Greenland, Greenland, Greenland... look over here! 3 1 Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 23 minutes ago, godzilla said: and now the circus clowns begin their reign of economic terror! haaha! House GOP puts Medicaid, ACA, climate measures on chopping block the "felon in chief" and GOP's MO is to renew the Trump tax cuts that will add another $10T to the national debt. that $10T going directly into the pockets of the richest Americans. but that pesky debt ceiling! so they are going to attempt to rifle through seniors benefits, health care for the poor and infrastructure spending to find that money for the billionaire boys club! of course, you can't bleed a stone so they have only been able to identify $5.6T in cuts that even they can stomach. mind you, Trump is not a "fiscal conservative"... they never are. he has repeatedly suggested that the US get rid of the debt ceiling so that his ilk can just shovel cash into their own pockets. the "felon in chief" will claim that he inherited such a mess (the economy being stronger than its been in US history) that billionaires need more money. Greenland, Greenland, Greenland... look over here! I think we all knew this was going to happen. Enrich the oligarchs, while screwing over the working and middle class. Trump has failed at literally everything he has done in life, with the exception of being a conman. Elon Musk is a man who takes credit off other people's inventions, and has made a fortune off government grants. Vivek Ramasharmy is a con artist, who bought a failed drug, re-branded it, and dumped the stock once it was going into Phase III clinical trials. And of course, RFK Jr, an ex-junkie, who had his brain eaten by worms. What could possibly go wrong? Edited January 10 by DUI_Offender 2 Quote
godzilla Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said: I think we all knew this was going to happen. Enrich the oligarchs, while screwing over the working and middle class. yeah but... the urban poor were forced to vote for the oligarchs! because the oligarchs are the only ones willing to protect them from WOKE culture! Quote
User Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 The "Trump" tax cuts were rate cuts that impacted almost all working Americans who pay income tax. Spending adds money to the debt, we have increased spending year over year over year since long before these tax cuts and that is what continues to add to the debt. Also, taking less money from the public is not ripping them off. 2 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 48 minutes ago, godzilla said: yeah but... the urban poor were forced to vote for the oligarchs! because the oligarchs are the only ones willing to protect them from WOKE culture! Woke culture is destroying the Democrat party thanks, Obama 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 59 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: And of course, RFK Jr, an ex-junkie, who had his brain eaten by worms. What could possibly go wrong? 39% of Independents support RFK Jr Republicans are not even fans, only 16% support yet only Trump could bridge the gap FTW Quote
godzilla Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 38 minutes ago, User said: The "Trump" tax cuts were rate cuts that impacted almost all working Americans who pay income tax. Spending adds money to the debt, we have increased spending year over year over year since long before these tax cuts and that is what continues to add to the debt. Also, taking less money from the public is not ripping them off. did taxed at source working stiffs get their tax rates cut in half?! no, they got thrown chicken bones... the US population continues to increase... so its obvious that spending year over year will increase. the question is always, who pays? the "conservative" MO is to always inhibit progressive tax regimes. the regime where the MORE you make the MORE as a percentage of your income you pay in taxes (income tax). they prefer regressive taxation where the LESS you make the MORE as a percentage of your income you pay in taxes (sales tax, head tax). the "liberal" MO is the opposite. so again, you have the most aggressive "conservative" critics only able to find $5.6T in cuts from the urban poor who will suffer the most and are responsible for their political success. and yet the Trump is putting the US economy $20T more under water. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 1 hour ago, godzilla said: and now the circus clowns begin their reign of economic terror! haaha! House GOP puts Medicaid, ACA, climate measures on chopping block the "felon in chief" and GOP's MO is to renew the Trump tax cuts that will add another $10T to the national debt. that $10T going directly into the pockets of the richest Americans. but that pesky debt ceiling! so they are going to attempt to rifle through seniors benefits, health care for the poor and infrastructure spending to find that money for the billionaire boys club! of course, you can't bleed a stone so they have only been able to identify $5.6T in cuts that even they can stomach. mind you, Trump is not a "fiscal conservative"... they never are. he has repeatedly suggested that the US get rid of the debt ceiling so that his ilk can just shovel cash into their own pockets. the "felon in chief" will claim that he inherited such a mess (the economy being stronger than its been in US history) that billionaires need more money. Greenland, Greenland, Greenland... look over here! Just remember, your side picked a candidate that made this guy look good enough to vote for instead Too late for crying now Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Just remember, your side picked a candidate that made this guy look good enough to vote for instead Too late for crying now Woke Progressive lunacy is the gift that keeps on giving thanks, Justin Trudeau Quote
godzilla Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: Just remember, your side picked a candidate that made this guy look good enough to vote for instead Too late for crying now well its not my "side" because i'm not Canadian. its never too late for the urban poor who brought Trump to power to cry when they see their oligarch overlords flying over them in their private jets on their weekly jaunts to Italy to fetch well water to wash their hair. i'm not crying because my portfolio is heavy into US equity markets which i'm betting will do very well under Trump. i mean, unless he is truly an "emperor with no clothes" and fuks it up with his ridiculous tariff ideas. so far i'm making a killing. 1 Quote
godzilla Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 Just now, Dougie93 said: Woke Progressive lunacy is the gift that keeps on giving thanks, Justin Trudeau blind ideological faith is a gift to the puppet masters that keeps on giving! "ideology is like a failed religion" - Jordan Peterson Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 Just now, godzilla said: blind ideological faith is a gift to the puppet masters that keeps on giving! "ideology is like a failed religion" - Jordan Peterson far from blind loyalty, I've never actually endorsed Donald Trump Donald Trump is a New York Yankee whereas I am a Ronald Reagan California Republican, otherwise known as a Reagan Democrat none the less, Donald Trump has proven himself in the face of Woke Progressive lunatics, twice even Patty Mahomes is a Republican now just win, baby Quote
User Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 (edited) 19 minutes ago, godzilla said: did taxed at source working stiffs get their tax rates cut in half?! no, they got thrown chicken bones... No one had their tax rates cut in half. The point was, that these were across the board rate cuts that almost everyone benefited from. It was not only the rich as you falsely claimed. It also did some other things like increase the Standard Deduction rate, which impacts most people, not just the rich. 19 minutes ago, godzilla said: the US population continues to increase... so its obvious that spending year over year will increase. The spending increases we have seen were not proportional to that. 19 minutes ago, godzilla said: the question is always, who pays? No one pays, it is a tax cut. Less money is taken from people. In this instance, it is simply extending the existing rates... Edited January 10 by User Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
godzilla Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 (edited) 8 minutes ago, User said: No one had their tax rates cut in half. The point was, that these were across the board rate cuts that almost everyone benefited from. It was not only the rich as you falsely claimed. It also did some other things like increase the Standard Deduction rate, which impacts most people, not just the rich. The spending increases we have seen were not proportional to that. No one pays, it is a tax cut. Less money is taken from people. In this instance, it is simply extending the existing rates... the highest corporate tax rate of 39% was cut to 21%. there is no way around the fact that it removed $10T from the US budget. and will again this time. if you can't pay for it then you are borrowing money. it the GOP were able to (they won't) be able to cut $5.6T and DOGE are able to cut $2T (they won't) then that still doesn't pay for the first Trump tax cut. so more Trump BORROWING. Edited January 10 by godzilla 2 2 Quote
User Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 Just now, godzilla said: the highest corporate tax rate of 39% was cut to 21%. It was 35% to 21%. That is not half. 1 minute ago, godzilla said: there is not way around the fact that it removed $10T from the US budget. and will again this time. Where are you getting this number from? Hint: I know where, and it shows you have no idea what you are talking about. 5 minutes ago, godzilla said: if you can't pay for it then you are borrowing money. I am glad to see that you are concerned with the debt and deficit spending. So, I am sure you opposed the Biden administration and Democrats spending all the money they did on the so-called inflation reduction act? I am all for us cutting spending and stopping the increases in spending we see every year. How about you? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
godzilla Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: far from blind loyalty, I've never actually endorsed Donald Trump Donald Trump is a New York Yankee whereas I am a Ronald Reagan California Republican, otherwise known as a Reagan Democrat none the less, Donald Trump has proven himself in the face of Woke Progressive lunatics, twice even Patty Mahomes is a Republican now just win, baby i disagree. incumbent governments that were in charge of COVID recovery globally are in trouble politically. there have been some amazing COVID economic recoveries globally but that doesn't mean that there wasn't permanent change. like the prices of eggs and milk are up. and will stay up. even Trump now admits it. so Trump just rode that frustration with change that no one can do anything about. and its all about the money. all about the economy. the wealth gap between rich and poor is at an all time high in the US. "social issues" are all red herrings thrown by ideological priests to the parish. Quote
User Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, godzilla said: the wealth gap between rich and poor is at an all time high in the US. Wealth gap is a meaningless measurement without more context. It is just leftist language to make it sound bad that someone has more money than you do. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
godzilla Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, User said: It was 35% to 21%. That is not half. Where are you getting this number from? Hint: I know where, and it shows you have no idea what you are talking about. I am glad to see that you are concerned with the debt and deficit spending. So, I am sure you opposed the Biden administration and Democrats spending all the money they did on the so-called inflation reduction act? I am all for us cutting spending and stopping the increases in spending we see every year. How about you? i'm sorry about the splitting of hairs around the word "half". i'm open to other sources for the amount of income removed from the federal budget if you have it. i was referring to that provided by the Joint Committee on Taxation that provided that it would add total deficits of $1.456T over ten years. Distributional Effects of Changes in Taxes and Spending Under the Conference Agreement for H.R. 1 i would suggest that whether federal spending increases or decreases entirely depends on the situation. when the GDP is at an all time high, the wealth gap between rich and poor is at an all time high and infrastructure spending is not keeping up with needs then democracy is actually in peril without policy to push profits down to workers and infrastructure concerns. 11 minutes ago, User said: Wealth gap is a meaningless measurement without more context. It is just leftist language to make it sound bad that someone has more money than you do. sorry? what do you mean? wealth gap. the concentration of wealth into fewer and fewer hands. this distorts economic and political forces. think... Russia. Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 22 minutes ago, godzilla said: "social issues" are all red herrings thrown by ideological priests to the parish. I disagree social issues are all that matters, the "economy" is merely a proxy America will suffer any privations to defend the First & Second Amendments even unto death as necessary tho I encourage the Democrats to double down on the delusion of "it's the economy, stupid" let them burn in a Marxist Woke Progressive lunatic fire of their own making American Evangelicalism FTW Quote
godzilla Posted January 10 Author Report Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I disagree social issues are all that matters, the "economy" is merely a proxy America will suffer any privations to defend the First & Second Amendments even unto death as necessary tho I encourage the Democrats to double down on the delusion of "it's the economy, stupid" let them burn in a Marxist Woke Progressive lunatic fire of their own making American Evangelicalism FTW well you're welcome to believe social issues are the most important to you. just like Russian peasants who live without indoor plumbing believe that their country is the best country in the world to live in because it is free of homosexuals and Ukrainian Nazi's. while Russian oligarchs show off the biggest yachts on the planet. but note how social issues identified by political ideologies are always changing as they are curated by political populist elite to drive emotions in parish. and yet... there is something in "conservative" and "liberal" ideologies that NEVER changes. that is who pays for the socialist component (roads, bridges, airports, sea ports, education, health care, first responders etc etc) of our mixed economy. "conservative" ideologies claim that personal responsibility is more important and thus everyone has an equal burden... thus a regressive taxation regime is most appropriate. "liberal" ideologies claim that wealth generators in the free enterprise component of our mixed economy need to be rewarded but that all of society and the socialist component are stakeholders in those endeavours and that wealth needs to fund infrastructure and the welfare state. DEI, gay people... who cares. they are minute populations. Quote
User Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 14 minutes ago, godzilla said: i'm sorry about the splitting of hairs around the word "half". There is no splitting of hairs. All you have to do is say you were wrong. 16 minutes ago, godzilla said: i'm open to other sources for the amount of income removed from the federal budget if you have it. i was referring to that provided by the Joint Committee on Taxation that provided that it would add total deficits of $1.456T over ten years. Is it still splitting hairs for you between 1.5 and 10? 17 minutes ago, godzilla said: sorry? what do you mean? wealth gap. the concentration of wealth into fewer and fewer hands. this distorts economic and political forces. think... Russia. Wealth is not a static number. If your wealth goes up by 20,000 dollars and the wealth of Musk goes up by 200 Billion dollars, both of you had your wealth increase. So what does saying the gap is bigger prove here? Would you feel better if your wealth only went up 1,000 dollars and Musks went up 100 Billion? That is a smaller wealth gap. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 25 minutes ago, User said: Wealth gap is a meaningless measurement without more context. It is just leftist language to make it sound bad that someone has more money than you do. indeed, this is an attempt to impose an European Marxist ideology upon America it never works the Democrats are far more formidable when they invoke Christian American tropes thus was the power of FDR, JFK, LBJ, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton & Barack Obama soon as the Democrats veer into European style Marxist class warfare ; they lose Quote
robosmith Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 2 hours ago, godzilla said: and now the circus clowns begin their reign of economic terror! haaha! House GOP puts Medicaid, ACA, climate measures on chopping block the "felon in chief" and GOP's MO is to renew the Trump tax cuts that will add another $10T to the national debt. that $10T going directly into the pockets of the richest Americans. but that pesky debt ceiling! so they are going to attempt to rifle through seniors benefits, health care for the poor and infrastructure spending to find that money for the billionaire boys club! of course, you can't bleed a stone so they have only been able to identify $5.6T in cuts that even they can stomach. mind you, Trump is not a "fiscal conservative"... they never are. he has repeatedly suggested that the US get rid of the debt ceiling so that his ilk can just shovel cash into their own pockets. the "felon in chief" will claim that he inherited such a mess (the economy being stronger than its been in US history) that billionaires need more money. Greenland, Greenland, Greenland... look over here! Just remember, everyone not supremely wealthy, depends on Medicaid for assisted living in the last years of their life if they're lucky enough to survive that long. 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: Woke culture is destroying the Democrat party thanks, Obama Go back to sleep, IGNORAMUS. Quote
robosmith Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: Woke Progressive lunacy is the gift that keeps on giving thanks, Justin Trudeau Go back to sleep. Us woke are not hurting you or ANYONE Quote
Dougie93 Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 6 minutes ago, godzilla said: well you're welcome to believe social issues are the most important to you. just like Russian peasants who live without indoor plumbing believe that their country is the best country in the world to live in because it is free of homosexuals and Ukrainian Nazi's. while Russian oligarchs show off the biggest yachts on the planet. again, attempting to impose an European style Marxist class warfare narrative unto America is a losing bet for the Democrats furthermore, the whole Ukrainian War narrative is failing spectacularly as well so I would of course encourage you to keep doubling down on that blow yourselves up, like an effeminate version of the Soviet Union, by all means Quote
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