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Danielle Smith, Premier of Alberta. She has sided against Canada.

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Kevin O'Leary. Failed Conservative, and traitor. Lies about "most Canadians" wanting to become part of the US. He even said he plans to visit Trump, to "finish the deal."

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Stockwell Day. Failed Conservative leader, and traitor. He is irrelevant, but he keeps posting about how he thinks Canada should join the USA.

 

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The fact is many Canadians feel Trudeau has done everything possible to wreck Canada.  Some may go so far as to want to sound like they agree with Trump because they know Trump really opposes the woke Trudeau gang.

As far as traitors go, Trudeau and the Liberals did little to nothing to support the Canadian armed forces in their time and never came close to meeting their 2% NATO commitment.  Commitments apparently are just a piece of paper with them.

Then there is the Chinese interference scandal and what actually happened between the Liberals and China that Canadians are not being told.  Or was China actually working to help elect Liberals and oppose the Conservatives in the past two elections? The documents for the Winnipeg lab scandal have never been released.  

"Canada is now more divided than ever and has taken on more debt than ever. It has become a joke on the world stage, with many Canadians losing pride in the country."

YOU SAID IT: Liberal brand toxic

Can anyone really blame some for feeling antagonistic toward Trudeau and the Liberals? 

I would be so quick to throw around the word "traitors".  People have a right to disagree on how Canada should be governed without being called ridiculous names.

Perhaps traitors is too strong of a word.  I wouldn't be so quick to call Danielle Smith an opponent of Canada.  That is foolish.  If anything Trudeau and the Liberals have been working to destroy the Alberta energy industry.  Danielle Smith is just working to protect Alberta and should be commended.  She sees diplomacy with the Trump team as the best approach for Alberta in the face of threatened 25% tariffs.  

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I'm not sure what your problem is. Are you proud of Canada? Think there's something special about Canada? Think we're better than other countries? That would make you a nazi, racist, white supremacist white nationalist xenophobic extremist of the far right, wouldn't it?

Because the narrative on this subject is quite clear. All our academics, politicians, media and artistic elites have been shouting it from the rooftops for years now. Canada is a horrible place where every single institution is systemically racist with a horrible history of oppression and genocide. And it culture and values are absolutely no better than Afghanistan or Iran.

So why would Canadians who have been berated since childhood with such a view be opposed to joining the US?

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6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

This has nothing to do with Trudeau.

People don't abandon their country over bad leadership.

What is your problem?

Canada is not at war with the USA. It doesn't make anyone a traitor for associating with Trump. 

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."

 

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O'Leary has backed down somewhat over Canada being part of the US. Now he's preaching 'economic union' (with open borders naturally) and I would presume with even the possibility of  sharing a common currency.  I'd say joining the US is out of the question, but the prospect of an economic union is certainly worth taking a close look at.

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I was raised watching Star Trek, it kinda makes sense there'll be a time when our planet will onl need and hopefully only want just one government.

I live on the coast where there is the concept of Cascadia, a country encompassing California, Oregon Washington, BC and Alaska. The idea is rooted in bioregionalism. The politics line up too like that old Jesusland map. It probably would have made transboundary fisheries a lot easier to manage. My sense of nationalism is based more on practicality as opposed to emotional/patriotic reasons.

It should in theory be easier to keep an eye on one central government than hundreds, I think the abundance so many jurisdictions makes it too easy to move wealth around and for corporations to play us off against one another for their own private interests - its  a big shell game in a lot of ways, especially for the wealth protection industry.

Eventually it might dawn on us that having two hundred governments all doing the same thing is a little redundant.

I wonder what the emergence of extremely wealthy and powerful families with the sort of resources that rival a country will evolve us towards. A new state of fiefdoms and feudal lordships perhaps.

One thing seems clearer, that whatever international cooperative agreements with regards to expanding into space are already out the window. The inability of anyone to manage or regulate the proliferation of satellites in orbit seems to bear that out.

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A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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10 hours ago, blackbird said:

The fact is many Canadians feel Trudeau has done everything possible to wreck Canada.  Some may go so far as to want to sound like they agree with Trump because they know Trump really opposes the woke Trudeau gang.

As far as traitors go, Trudeau and the Liberals did little to nothing to support the Canadian armed forces in their time and never came close to meeting their 2% NATO commitment.  Commitments apparently are just a piece of paper with them.

Then there is the Chinese interference scandal and what actually happened between the Liberals and China that Canadians are not being told.  Or was China actually working to help elect Liberals and oppose the Conservatives in the past two elections? The documents for the Winnipeg lab scandal have never been released.  

"Canada is now more divided than ever and has taken on more debt than ever. It has become a joke on the world stage, with many Canadians losing pride in the country."

YOU SAID IT: Liberal brand toxic

Can anyone really blame some for feeling antagonistic toward Trudeau and the Liberals? 

I would be so quick to throw around the word "traitors".  People have a right to disagree on how Canada should be governed without being called ridiculous names.

Perhaps traitors is too strong of a word.  I wouldn't be so quick to call Danielle Smith an opponent of Canada.  That is foolish.  If anything Trudeau and the Liberals have been working to destroy the Alberta energy industry.  Danielle Smith is just working to protect Alberta and should be commended.  She sees diplomacy with the Trump team as the best approach for Alberta in the face of threatened 25% tariffs.  

Translation: "I don't like Trudeau, so I am going to turn my back on my country, and support Trump, who is currently musing about annexing Canada (on top of the tariff threat)."

It's one thing to support an alliance between Canada and the USA, when the majority of the population supports one, and it is between two democratic nations.  However, what is happening here, is we have an unstable, autocratic leader from a much larger nation, threatening Canada with ridiculous tariffs, and later to outright annex us. 

I never thought Canada had this many cowards in our country.  Then again, these are the same people that are justifying Putin's invasion of the Ukraine, so it's not entirely unexpected. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The people listed in the OP are traitors, I agree.

Trators seem a little harsh, especially in the cases of Mr Wonderful and Capt. Seadoo. I think in the case of Danielle Smith that opportunist is certainly an apt charge to make.  If she secures something like a Albertan exemption from Trump's tariffs for compliance in pretty sure the term traitor will be applied by more than a few Canadians. I can see Trump doing so to exploit the opportunity to be divisive.

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1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Traitors seem a little harsh, especially in the cases of Mr Wonderful and Capt. Seadoo. I think in the case of Danielle Smith that opportunist is certainly an apt charge to make.  If she secures something like a Albertan exemption from Trump's tariffs for compliance that traitor will certainly be applied by more than a few Canadians. I can see Trump doing so to exploit the opportunity to be divisive.

If Mr Wonderful and Stockwell think being a US citizen would be better than being Canadian they yeah they're traitors and can go eff themselves.

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2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

If Mr Wonderful and Stockwell think being a US citizen would be better than being Canadian they yeah they're traitors and can go eff themselves.

Don't forget 10% of Canadians would be fine with joining.

I'd be more concerned about the strain US pressure on Canada might put on separatist and of course ideological divisions within our borders.

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2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Traitors seem a little harsh, especially in the cases of Mr Wonderful and Capt. Seadoo. I think in the case of Danielle Smith that opportunist is certainly an apt charge to make.  If she secures something like a Albertan exemption from Trump's tariffs for compliance that traitor will certainly be applied by more than a few Canadians. I can see Trump doing so to exploit the opportunity to be divisive.

The big problem here, is that Canada has never been faced with a hostile US President that is opening talking about annexing us. This is not 1938, and we are not Austria.  Notice the other two nations (Panama and Denmark), don't have leaders, running to Trump and wanting to drop to their knees before him?

That is because Mexico, and most of Latin America is wary of US intervention of their affairs and even their sovereignty. Mexico has been down this road many times before, and has smartened up, to the point they are not making the mistakes Canadian leaders are. Panama, of course, has been the subject of US intervention at prior times, and has absolutely no desire to makes deals with the Americans.

 

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1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Don't forget 10% of Canadians would be fine with joining.

I'd be more concerned about the strain US pressure on Canada might put on separatist and of course ideological divisions within our borders.

There are definitely going to be bad faith actors, foreign to Canada, who would like nothing better than to sew the seeds of division here, especially in Alberta, with our rich oil reserves. The Alberta Separatist movement is a joke, and has no real support. There were people pushing for Alberta to either separate from Canada or join the United States in 2019-20, but the movement had literally no following.

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Don't forget 10% of Canadians would be fine with joining.

I'd be more concerned about the strain US pressure on Canada might put on separatist and of course ideological divisions within our borders.

Time for the country to rally behind US threats, it can bring us all together and be unifying.  Oh no that might be nationalism, eww evil and yucky!

"All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain

Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.

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2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

The big problem here, is that Canada has never been faced with a hostile US President that is opening talking about annexing us.

Don't forget Trump is apparently fine with Putin's annexations. It's a stretch to imagine these two have cooked up some scheme to start treating the world like a Risk game, that said I can't help but feel Putin is probably laughing his ass off at the way things have unfolded between the US and it's neighbours.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Don't forget Trump is apparently fine with Putin's annexations. It's a stretch to imagine these two have cooked up some scheme to start treating the world like a Risk game, that said I can't help but feel Putin is probably laughing his ass off at the way things have unfolded between the US and it's neighbours.

 

This is definitely what I had in mind. Trump is listening to Putin, and shunning tradition allies, which is incredibly dangerous. 

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7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Time for the country to rally behind US threats, it can bring us all together and be unifying.  Oh no that might be nationalism, eww evil and yucky!

I think it would be better if we unified behind the growing possibility and likelihood that oligarchy will be the way of the future and where governments tell themselves no poor man ever gave us a job.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I think it would be better if we unified behind the growing possibility and likelihood that oligarchy will be the way of the future and where governments tell themselves no poor man ever gave us a job.

Oligarchy is the way of the present, and has been for decades.

"All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain

Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.

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1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Oligarchy is the way of the present, and has been for decades.

I'll happily be a traitor against that - burn it all to the fùcking ground.

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6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

The big problem here, is that Canada has never been faced with a hostile US President that is opening talking about annexing us.

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Disagree.

In 1971, Nixon imposed a 10% tariff.

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16 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

This has nothing to do with Trudeau.

People don't abandon their country over bad leadership.

LOL they didn't abandon anything in the slightest :) 

And of course it's about trudeau.  If he was doing his job and actually dealing with this then others wouldn't feel compelled to try and salvage what they can.

Smith's very clearly sided with Canada. The other two you're just lying about.

I had hoped that once the trump election was over you might regain your senses in some degree and stop being a complete delusional tard. Sadly that does not seem to have been the case.

 

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