gatomontes99 Posted December 7, 2024 Report Posted December 7, 2024 This "Republican" Senator has suddenly become steadfastly against Pete Hegseth. Hegseth has famously said that he will make the military better for those that serve. But that means fewer wars. Fewer wars is not good for the defense industry. Guess who supports Joni Ernst? NorPAC Apollo Global Management Blackstone Group RTX Corp Capital Group Do any of these companies have military contracts? Well, call me Ethel and feed me porridge, they do! NorPAC Quote WHAT IS NORPAC? What is NORPAC? Founded in 1994, NORPAC specializes in one thing: Hosting fundraising events for pro-Israel Congressmen and Senators in our supporters’ homes, offices, and even on Zoom, and rallying our communities to financially support them. Since our founding we have hosted thousands of events for pro-Israel members of Congress. https://norpac.net/about Apollo Global Management: Quote Contract losses sink Apollo’s defence bet Competitive setbacks and reduced diplomatic security spending push Constellis to brink of bankruptcy https://www.penews.com/articles/contract-losses-sink-apollos-defence-bet-20200120 Blackstone Group: Quote Blackstone Defense Services has a variety of experienced professionals at your service. We provide timely, accurate and relevant professional intelligence analytic products and deliver outstanding support to counterintelligence operations and investigations, technical services, training programs and special projects, whatever your needs are and wherever they may occur throughout the world. https://blackstonedefense.com/ RTX Group: Quote UCSON, Ariz., Oct. 23, 2024 /PRNewswire/ -- Raytheon, an RTX (NYSE: RTX) business, was awarded $676 million to continue manufacturing the tube-launched, optically-tracked, wireless-guided TOW® weapon system for the U.S. Army. The two separate awards comprise an annual production contract for $430 million in fiscal year 2023 and an additional $246 million award in 2024. https://www.rtx.com/news/news-center/2024/10/23/u-s-army-awards-rtxs-raytheon-tow-contracts-for-676-million Capital Group: Quote Consumer Capital Group Corp.,* Chicago, Illinois, is being awarded $9,340,000 for a firm-fixed-price contract to provide medical third-party administration support services in support of Naval Education Training Security Assistance Field Activity. https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/3986721// Her top 5 donors all have a vested interest in continuous wars. Say that again. HER TOP 5 DONORS ALL HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN CONTINUOUS WARS. Is there any wonder why she doesn't support the guy that wants to get us out of unnecessary wars? 1 Quote
Radiorum Posted December 7, 2024 Report Posted December 7, 2024 13 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: he will make the military better for those that serve. But that means fewer wars. That's not how he wants to change the military. 13 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: the guy that wants to get us out of unnecessary wars? Nothing I have read about Hegseth supports this. How did you arrive at this conclusion? Everything I have read about him points to the fact that he is a militant Christian extremist. He literally wrote a book called “American Crusade” – which calls for the pushback of Muslims in Europe and the US. Hegseth has spoken about: Quote … the possibility of reconstructing the so-called "Third Temple" in Jerusalem, a project that would require the destruction of Islam's third-holiest site. Such an effort would almost certainly trigger a major international war… "Many far-right Christians have adopted the Crusades as a model, as a template for how they want to remake society for their own kind of militant expressions of Christianity," he said. "And Hegseth seems very much to be in that current." https://www.npr.org/2024/11/14/nx-s1-5191941/pete-hegseth-defense-department-dei Maybe Hegseth is just too extreme for second-in-command of the US military 2 Quote
Nationalist Posted December 7, 2024 Report Posted December 7, 2024 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Radiorum said: That's not how he wants to change the military. Nothing I have read about Hegseth supports this. How did you arrive at this conclusion? Everything I have read about him points to the fact that he is a militant Christian extremist. He literally wrote a book called “American Crusade” – which calls for the pushback of Muslims in Europe and the US. Hegseth has spoken about: https://www.npr.org/2024/11/14/nx-s1-5191941/pete-hegseth-defense-department-dei Maybe Hegseth is just too extreme for second-in-command of the US military Or...maybe Pete's ideas appeal to the majority...of which you are not. Edited December 7, 2024 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Radiorum Posted December 7, 2024 Report Posted December 7, 2024 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: maybe Pete's ideas appeal to the majority Like what? Quote
gatomontes99 Posted December 7, 2024 Author Report Posted December 7, 2024 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Radiorum said: That's not how he wants to change the military. Well, he wrote a book titled War on Warriors. And he said: Quote “There’s a reason people don’t want to serve. They don’t trust that their senior leaders are going to have their best interest in mind in combat.” https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/13/pete-hegseth-trump-defense-secretary-agenda-policies-00189437 It's his mission to ensure that the top brass have the best interests of everyone in mind. That includes not fighting wars just because. Quote "I don't want American intervention driving deep into Europe and making him feel like he's so much on his heels that he does have to — because early on, he was talking about nukes," he said. Hegseth added that the US had "burned two decades of money" in Afghanistan and Iraq, and that it was "tempted to do it again" in Ukraine. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-pentagon-pick-pete-hegseth-criticized-us-involvement-ukraine-aid-2024-11?op=1 33 minutes ago, Radiorum said: Hegseth has spoken about: https://www.npr.org/2024/11/14/nx-s1-5191941/pete-hegseth-defense-department-dei Maybe Hegseth is just too extreme for second-in-command of the US military What you posted was someone else characterization what he said. What he actually said is vastly different. When you read or hear someone characterize someone else's words, you should find the actual words that were said. Here they are: Quote There’s no reason why the miracle of the re-establishment of the temple on the Temple Mount is not possible,” Hegseth said. “I don’t know how it would happen. You don’t know how it would happen, but I know that it could happen,” he added. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trumps-nominee-for-pentagon-chief-suggested-new-temple-could-be-built-on-temple-mount/ To properly characterize what he said is that there could be a temple built, he just didn't know how that could happen. As for his book, American Crusade, the book is a topical discussion of right v left in our political spectrum and whether or not the American values of liberty and freedom will give way to regulations and laws. It has nothing to do with Muslims other than to say that the countries that harbor or support terrorism can and should be banned and it shouldn't matter if they happen to be Muslim theocracies. Edited December 7, 2024 by gatomontes99 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted December 7, 2024 Report Posted December 7, 2024 2 hours ago, Radiorum said: Like what? Like...making the military a fighting force instead of a trannie showcase? Like...removing US forces from foreign conflicts? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Matthew Posted December 7, 2024 Report Posted December 7, 2024 Yes please get rid of both of my Iowa senators. Quote
robosmith Posted December 9, 2024 Report Posted December 9, 2024 On 12/7/2024 at 7:37 AM, Radiorum said: Maybe Hegseth is just too extreme for second-in-command of the US military Maybe? LMAO He is not only too extreme, but completely IGNORANT about how to manage a large military organization. SoD is NOT the place to learn on the job. Esp not for a drunkard. 1 Quote
robosmith Posted December 9, 2024 Report Posted December 9, 2024 On 12/7/2024 at 7:56 AM, Nationalist said: Or...maybe Pete's ideas appeal to the majority...of which you are not. Majority of what? Do you even know what an Appeal to Popularity FALLACY is? There's a big reason SoD is NOT an elective office. It's cause voters KNOW NOTHING about the necessary qualifications for leading the largest military organization in the world. Duh Quote
gatomontes99 Posted December 9, 2024 Author Report Posted December 9, 2024 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: Maybe? LMAO He is not only too extreme, but completely IGNORANT about how to manage a large military organization. SoD is NOT the place to learn on the job. Esp not for a drunkard. What if your job is to lay sod? Is there a sod simulator? 2 Quote
robosmith Posted December 9, 2024 Report Posted December 9, 2024 On 12/7/2024 at 10:45 AM, Nationalist said: Like...making the military a fighting force instead of a trannie showcase? Like...removing US forces from foreign conflicts? You're an lDIOT, if you believe your policy preferences are QUALIFICATIONS to run the DoD. 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted December 9, 2024 Author Report Posted December 9, 2024 2 minutes ago, robosmith said: You're an lDIOT, if you believe your policy preferences are QUALIFICATIONS to run the DoD. You don't see how the democrats are manipulating you, do you? Running the country is the world's largest business. But you steadfastly supported a candidate that never ran anything of any size and was never praised for her ability to do anything. But you are saying the the guy that is a decorated military veteran and officee isn't qualified? Quote
Nationalist Posted December 10, 2024 Report Posted December 10, 2024 25 minutes ago, robosmith said: Majority of what? Do you even know what an Appeal to Popularity FALLACY is? There's a big reason SoD is NOT an elective office. It's cause voters KNOW NOTHING about the necessary qualifications for leading the largest military organization in the world. Duh The voters know nothing eh? I'm not surprised an ultra-Libbie like you thinks that. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted December 10, 2024 Report Posted December 10, 2024 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: The voters know nothing eh? Just like YOU know NOTHING about the importance and qualifications necessary to effectively run the DoD. 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: I'm not surprised an ultra-Libbie like you thinks that. Go ahead and show us just how stupid you are by claiming the US voters are knowledgeable about the qualifications required to run the DoD. LMAO Quote
Nationalist Posted December 10, 2024 Report Posted December 10, 2024 9 hours ago, robosmith said: Just like YOU know NOTHING about the importance and qualifications necessary to effectively run the DoD. Go ahead and show us just how stupid you are by claiming the US voters are knowledgeable about the qualifications required to run the DoD. LMAO The electorate was smart enough to know that Brandon failed, that Kamala is a twit and that Lloyd J Austin III is a fat, gutless m0ron. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Michael Hardner Posted December 10, 2024 Report Posted December 10, 2024 (edited) The idea that a Senator might be biased due to their donors is something interesting but to me it's a reach in this instance. First of all, every Senator is in the pocket of its donors, especially the military, on both sides. Secondly, there was no reduction in defense department spending in Trump's first term. I posted a graph recently that showed spending went up each year. So this is all "what if..." "suppose that..." type thinking. For the Senator to go against her own party, I would assume she has real misgivings. Edited December 10, 2024 by Michael Hardner Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
User Posted December 10, 2024 Report Posted December 10, 2024 On 12/6/2024 at 8:15 PM, gatomontes99 said: This "Republican" Senator has suddenly become steadfastly against Pete Hegseth. Where do you get she is steadfastly against him from? She has met several times with him. She has not endorsed him and pledged support yet, but it is hardly the opposite, that she is steadfastly against him either. 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
gatomontes99 Posted December 10, 2024 Author Report Posted December 10, 2024 1 hour ago, User said: Where do you get she is steadfastly against him from? She has met several times with him. She has not endorsed him and pledged support yet, but it is hardly the opposite, that she is steadfastly against him either. She's moved. She was initially against him say things like he didn't have the experience. Quote
Deluge Posted December 10, 2024 Report Posted December 10, 2024 On 12/6/2024 at 7:15 PM, gatomontes99 said: This "Republican" Senator has suddenly become steadfastly against Pete Hegseth. Hegseth has famously said that he will make the military better for those that serve. But that means fewer wars. Fewer wars is not good for the defense industry. Guess who supports Joni Ernst? NorPAC Apollo Global Management Blackstone Group RTX Corp Capital Group Do any of these companies have military contracts? Well, call me Ethel and feed me porridge, they do! NorPAC Apollo Global Management: Blackstone Group: RTX Group: Capital Group: Her top 5 donors all have a vested interest in continuous wars. Say that again. HER TOP 5 DONORS ALL HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN CONTINUOUS WARS. Is there any wonder why she doesn't support the guy that wants to get us out of unnecessary wars? That RINO needs to be exposed and voted out. Quote
User Posted December 10, 2024 Report Posted December 10, 2024 5 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: She's moved. She was initially against him say things like he didn't have the experience. She was never steadfastly opposed (not publically) to him before your comment here claiming she was. She was hesitant and non-committal last week. It is good to pressure her to support him, but she was never steadfastly opposed. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
User Posted December 10, 2024 Report Posted December 10, 2024 Just now, Deluge said: That RINO needs to be exposed and voted out. She is not a RINO. For crying out loud, even if she did not support Hegseth, that is one data point on her record. The charge of RINO is carelessly thrown around far too often by folks in the party against anyone who doesn't support everything 100% or is 100% Conservative ~ anarchist Libertarian. 1 Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Deluge Posted December 10, 2024 Report Posted December 10, 2024 3 minutes ago, User said: She is not a RINO. For crying out loud, even if she did not support Hegseth, that is one data point on her record. The charge of RINO is carelessly thrown around far too often by folks in the party against anyone who doesn't support everything 100% or is 100% Conservative ~ anarchist Libertarian. Sorry dude, but this is not the time for centrists. Perhaps after we clean house and get this country back on track. Quote
User Posted December 10, 2024 Report Posted December 10, 2024 49 minutes ago, Deluge said: Sorry dude, but this is not the time for centrists. Perhaps after we clean house and get this country back on track. Trump won on being more centrist. I think you are conflating being a RINO with not being a Trump loyalist. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Deluge Posted December 10, 2024 Report Posted December 10, 2024 53 minutes ago, User said: Trump won on being more centrist. I think you are conflating being a RINO with not being a Trump loyalist. Trump won on being MAGA. If he were centrist then he'd be like Nikki Haley, and Nikki Haley doesn't like illegal aliens being called criminals. The country needs a shove to the Right, not a light breeze. Quote
User Posted December 10, 2024 Report Posted December 10, 2024 1 hour ago, Deluge said: Trump won on being MAGA. If he were centrist then he'd be like Nikki Haley, and Nikki Haley doesn't like illegal aliens being called criminals. The country needs a shove to the Right, not a light breeze. Being "MAGA" then is neither Republican nor Conservative. To the point here, calling this Senator a RINO is pointless then. What you should call here is not-MAGA if that is your point. There is no "if" about it. Trump clearly ran a more centrist campaign on labor, abortion, among other things. Hell, he just said he was open to raising the minimum wage and making a deal on DACA. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
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