Opinion: Sadly, many left wingers are sacrificing legitimate abuse survivors on the altar of winning a culture war

[West]

Very sad to see the left fling poo like a bunch of baboons on a daily basis. 

Their obsession with labeling conservatives as sex offenders based on decades old allegations, weaponizing allegations in high profile political hearings, and so forth are doing irreparable damage to their own credibility as well as to any legitimate survivor of domestic violence, abuse, etc. 

It's quite disturbing to watch these people who claim to care try to win some culture war at the expense of true victims of crimes. Sad. 

[Michael Hardner]

I think ad hominems are a sign of bad debating, and generalizing any subgroup (including priests by the way) as being child molestors is akin to posting that you have no argument, only an opinion based on nothing.

That said, people do get especially angry at hypocrites.  So priests, moral majority types, and gold pulpit Christians will be metaphorically crucified with sharper nails than your run-of-the-mill mall pedo.

[West]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think ad hominems are a sign of bad debating, and generalizing any subgroup (including priests by the way) as being child molestors is akin to posting that you have no argument, only an opinion based on nothing.

That said, people do get especially angry at hypocrites.  So priests, moral majority types, and gold pulpit Christians will be metaphorically crucified with sharper nails than your run-of-the-mill mall pedo.

Do you think people should fling poo and make unsubstantiated allegations? 

Take the example of Matt Gaetz who's accused of being a child molester. Looks like the experts (the police) looked into the matter and determined there wasn't the evidence to lay criminal charges. 

Shouldn't he be given the presumption of innocence? Seems crazy that mere allegations can be used to destroy political opponents? 

[Michael Hardner]

17 minutes ago, West said:

1. Do you think people should fling poo and make unsubstantiated allegations? 

2. Take the example of Matt Gaetz who's accused of being a child molester. Looks like the experts (the police) looked into the matter and determined there wasn't the evidence to lay criminal charges. 

3. Shouldn't he be given the presumption of innocence? Seems crazy that mere allegations can be used to destroy political opponents? 

1. No, of course not.
2. Yes they can't say he IS a child molestor.  I haven't seen anythingn that says the investigation is closed yet.  Likewise with Hunter Biden, related to his father, I didn't see anything that showed influence peddling.
3. That happened to Brown.

[West]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. No, of course not.
2. Yes they can't say he IS a child molestor.  I haven't seen anythingn that says the investigation is closed yet.  Likewise with Hunter Biden, related to his father, I didn't see anything that showed influence peddling.
3. That happened to Brown.

2. There was a business associate and suspicious activity surrounding Burisma in 2014. 

3. Who is Brown? 

 

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, West said:

1. There was a business associate and suspicious activity surrounding Burisma in 2014. 

2. Who is Brown? 

 

1. Well, if we're talking about 'suspicion' then yes Gaetz is still under suspicion of violation of ethics etc. legitimately.  But he is NOT a proven child molestor.

2. Patrick Brown, PC leadership candidate, purportedly had his campaign(s) torpedoed by opponents.

Edited December 6, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[robosmith]

31 minutes ago, West said:

Do you think people should fling poo and make unsubstantiated allegations? 

Take the example of Matt Gaetz who's accused of being a child molester. Looks like the experts (the police) looked into the matter and determined there wasn't the evidence to lay criminal charges. 

Shouldn't he be given the presumption of innocence? Seems crazy that mere allegations can be used to destroy political opponents? 

Presumption of innocence is a standard for CRIMINAL CONVICTION, and has NOTHING TO DO with JOB QUALIFICATIONS which are OFTEN based on REPUTATION and JUDGEMENT thereof. Duh

[West]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Well, if we're talking about 'suspicion' then yes Gaetz is still under suspicion of violation of ethics etc. legitimately.  But he is NOT a proven child molestor.

2. Patrick Brown, PC leadership candidate, purportedly had his campaign(s) torpedoed by opponents.

1. Okay. We rely on a free and fair press to inform us on our day to day lives. When they are raising unfounded suspicion and running it on a 24 hour news cycle to win some form of culture war, that has (in my view) a negative impact on people who are legitimately victims. 

Of course we all want kids safe, but raising suspicions for the sake of winning political wars is bs and not the purpose of a free press. 

2. Hmm not sure I'm familiar with him. I'll take your word. 

7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Presumption of innocence is a standard for CRIMINAL CONVICTION, and has NOTHING TO DO with JOB QUALIFICATIONS which are OFTEN based on REPUTATION and JUDGEMENT thereof. Duh

Presumption of innocence is a human right. Duh 

[Black Dog]

3 minutes ago, West said:

Presumption of innocence is a human right. Duh 

In a court of law not in the court of public opinion.

[robosmith]

26 minutes ago, West said:

Presumption of innocence is a human right. Duh 

Not for ANYTHING other than criminal conviction.

Go apply for a job with a bad attitude and you'll find out you have no right to get any job. Duh

[robosmith]

31 minutes ago, West said:

1. Okay. We rely on a free and fair press to inform us on our day to day lives. When they are raising unfounded suspicion and running it on a 24 hour news cycle to win some form of culture war, that has (in my view) a negative impact on people who are legitimately victims. 

Ironically it is Hegseth who is fighting the culture war at the Defense Dept and potentially making honorably serving women into victims of his culture war.

31 minutes ago, West said:

Of course we all want kids safe, but raising suspicions for the sake of winning political wars is bs and not the purpose of a free press. 

Victims of culture warriors like Hegseth should be protected from those who persecute them.

 

[West]

14 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Not for ANYTHING other than criminal conviction.

Go apply for a job with a bad attitude and you'll find out you have no right to get any job. Duh

This is misleading. Most professions including journalism have enshrined it in their codes of professional ethics. Duh

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, West said:

This is misleading. Most professions including journalism have enshrined it in their codes of professional ethics. Duh

Codes of professional ethics are not rights, they are guidelines for responsible behavior.

Just look at FOS LIES and you'll see professional journalistic ethics are violated with impunity all the time.

Recently to the tune of an $800M libel penalty for a REAL VIOLATION OF RIGHTS.

[West]

12 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Codes of professional ethics are not rights, they are guidelines for responsible behavior.

Just look at FOS LIES and you'll see professional journalistic ethics are violated with impunity all the time.

Recently to the tune of an $800M libel penalty for a REAL VIOLATION OF RIGHTS.

Which is consistent with upholding the rights of people. Duh 

[robosmith]

18 minutes ago, West said:

Which is consistent with upholding the rights of people. Duh 

They are not rights unless you can afford to enforce them.

Dominion had to PAY to enforce their rights cause the government would NOT pay to enforce them like with REAL RIGHTS.