Moral disorder of our time; hatred of Israel

[blackbird]

"

If I forget thee, O Jerusalem… (Psalm 137)

It is the great moral disorder of our time.

Dear Israel is but a spit of earth on a huge globe. Three years after six million Jews were put to torture, humiliation, whippings, rape, medical experiment, starvation, and vile death, was it not surely time — time for all the nations of the Earth who had reached some moral understanding of life and government — to allow Jewish people time to rest, time to mourn, time to see what and who might be left of them.

To find just one period, just one time, just one place where and when they did not have to start up in the middle of the night when unfamiliar sounds disturbed, did not have to hear demagogues howling at them from street corners, or put up with the trendy, ignorant western pseudo-radicals shouting in bullhorns from library steps. To not see their shops and homes targets of mobs and slanders, their synagogues battered.

A time when they might gather on a bit of land where dogs were not set upon them; where children did not mock them; where passerby thugs did not attack their elders in the street; where Jews unique in their sorrow and pain could meet with some of their tormented doubles, if for nothing else but to share laments and profound griefs, generate solace by shared company and memory.

Ah, Jews. Ah, Israel."

Rex Murphy: Hatred of Israel is the great moral disorder of our time

[eyeball]

A time when they might gather on a bit of land where dogs were not set upon them; where children did not mock them; where passerby thugs did not attack their elders in the street;

If only the Jews hadn't done this and worse to the people already living on that tiny sliver of land.

What a waste of sympathy.

[myata]

- Does a disagreement, or less than absolute agreement with all policies and/or actions of the state of Israel amount to "hate of Israel"?

- Is universal morality conditional on or/and requires absolute and unconditional support of every policy and political platform of Israel?

- Do we really need more of religion-pumped and inflated pseudo-moral crusades? Hasn't the past taught us anything?

[PIK]

4 hours ago, myata said:

- Does a disagreement, or less than absolute agreement with all policies and/or actions of the state of Israel amount to "hate of Israel"?

- Is universal morality conditional on or/and requires absolute and unconditional support of every policy and political platform of Israel?

- Do we really need more of religion-pumped and inflated pseudo-moral crusades? Hasn't the past taught us anything?

Doesn't look like it with the ever lasting hate of Isreal by the left wing.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

Doesn't look like it with the ever lasting hate of Isreal by the left wing.

Left wing??

I think Israel is feeding the hate...world wide regardless of politics. Many countries disagree with Israeli tactics.

Even the United Nations "General Assembly Overwhelmingly Adopts Historic Text Demanding Israel End Its Unlawful Presence, Policies in Occupied Palestinian Territory .."

Now Israel and hamas is accused of war crimes

 

Arrest warrants issued for Netanyahu, Gallant and Hamas commander over alleged war crimes

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly2exvx944o

Edited November 21, 2024 by ExFlyer

[PIK]

I think behind the scenes many are happy that Israel is taking out this murderous group. Yes everyone feels for the innocent. Wars suck. Imo this is the only way to a peaceful solution to the ME. But I will say the illegal settlements issue needs to be addressed firmly.

[Army Guy]

8 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Left wing??

I think Israel is feeding the hate...world wide regardless of politics. Many countries disagree with Israeli tactics.

Even the United Nations "General Assembly Overwhelmingly Adopts Historic Text Demanding Israel End Its Unlawful Presence, Policies in Occupied Palestinian Territory .."

Now Israel and hamas is accused of war crimes

 

Arrest warrants issued for Netanyahu, Gallant and Hamas commander over alleged war crimes

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly2exvx944o

The hate has always been there, and i pretty sure Israel really does not give a rats ass what the other countries say or do...

I also very sure nobody really gives a rats ass what the UN has to say about anything...not since UNRWA had members take part in the raid into Israel and took hostages, are responsible for teaching HAMAS propaganda in their schools...Ya i don't think Israel really cares what they say....UN is run by third world dictators...

 

[blackbird]

9 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Left wing??

I think Israel is feeding the hate...world wide regardless of politics. Many countries disagree with Israeli tactics.

Even the United Nations "General Assembly Overwhelmingly Adopts Historic Text Demanding Israel End Its Unlawful Presence, Policies in Occupied Palestinian Territory .."

Now Israel and hamas is accused of war crimes

 

Arrest warrants issued for Netanyahu, Gallant and Hamas commander over alleged war crimes

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly2exvx944o

The U.N. and its associated organizations have a long history of anti-semitism and anti Israel resolutions.  Everything they do is automatically anti Israel and has no credibility.  

[Army Guy]

15 minutes ago, PIK said:

I think behind the scenes many are happy that Israel is taking out this murderous group. Yes everyone feels for the innocent. Wars suck. Imo this is the only way to a peaceful solution to the ME. But I will say the illegal settlements issue needs to be addressed firmly.

I think it is being addressed right now, GAza lays in ruins for the most part, and winter is coming, and it is only going to get worse....UN and the rest of the globe is not going to rebuild gaza....Israel is going to and it won't be for the palestinians it will be for Israelis....then there will be peace...

[PIK]

Just now, Army Guy said:

I think it is being addressed right now, GAza lays in ruins for the most part, and winter is coming, and it is only going to get worse....UN and the rest of the globe is not going to rebuild gaza....Israel is going to and it won't be for the palestinians it will be for Israelis....then there will be peace...

Yes you could be right. I'm hoping israel cleans it up and let whos left to live there. With infrastructure, water you name it. What Hamas was supposed to do with the billions it was given. It could be a tourist meca,once fixed up.

[DUI_Offender]

Just now, Army Guy said:

The hate has always been there, and i pretty sure Israel really does not give a rats ass what the other countries say or do...

As they should not. Jews have been historical scapegoats. No matter what they do, some people will hate them. 

I am enjoying Israel sticking up the middle finger to the World, after so many years of Jews trying to "do the right thing."

Just now, Army Guy said:

I also very sure nobody really gives a rats ass what the UN has to say about anything

The problem with the UN is that every country has an equal vote. There was dozens of Muslim countries and only one Jewish country. In addition to that, the Arab countries often put pressure on European countries to vote a certain way since they have oil, and most now have a significant Islamic population. 

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, PIK said:

Yes you could be right. I'm hoping israel cleans it up and let whos left to live there. With infrastructure, water you name it. What Hamas was supposed to do with the billions it was given. It could be a tourist meca,once fixed up.

Gaza use to be a beautiful place,before the PLO took over and the rest is history...As long as the palestinian people are there there is not going to be peace, just to much hate...other Muslims countries don't want them, many have already fought conflicts against them to throw them out...Egypt, Jordan, etc...

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

Yes everyone feels for the innocent.

Awww, that's so woke.

Meanwhile...

1 hour ago, PIK said:

But I will say the illegal settlements issue needs to be addressed firmly.

Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68650815

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, myata said:

- Does a disagreement, or less than absolute agreement with all policies and/or actions of the state of Israel amount to "hate of Israel"?

1. What do you think Iran's goal for that region is?
2. What do you think Hezbollah's goal for that region is?
3. What do you think Hamas's goal for that region is?
4. By your own guesstimate, what percent of Jews in Israel would have to die for those guys to be happy? Would 100% be too many for them?
5. How old do you think the average Palestinian is before they are groomed to kill Israelis?
6. How do you think these people, who see red when they think about Palestinian partition, feel when they think about Pakistani partition, which was easily 1,000x as bad? Do they get 1,000x as mad, equally mad, or are they A-ok with it? 

I know that you don't know the answers to those questions, and/or that you don't want to know. 

I know that you put a lot of stock in the things that people like Ilhan Omar say. You probably quote her to the little 5.5 at the local coffee shop, hoping that one day your wokeness can get you a cookie. 

[myata]

I've no intent of worshiping any idols, including any one state, ideology, religion etc. That is very simple: observe, think, decide for yourself. You have the eyes and the brain. They exist for a reason. No fetishes. And no idols.

And I think those who pretend or insist on that may have a bit more more intelligence than a dead rock or naivety than a newborn and so it has to be that: lying. See it for what it is. The eyes and brain evolved, in billions of years, for a reason.

[Moonlight Graham]

In criminal justice, there's also a long trend in many cases of the left putting their sympathies more behind the criminal than the victims.

Gary had a bad childhood and committed theft and murder, feel sorry for him.  Meanwhile, who is caring about the dead guy's family or the person who had their stuff stolen?

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

The hate has always been there, and i pretty sure Israel really does not give a rats ass what the other countries say or do...

I also very sure nobody really gives a rats ass what the UN has to say about anything...not since UNRWA had members take part in the raid into Israel and took hostages, are responsible for teaching HAMAS propaganda in their schools...Ya i don't think Israel really cares what they say....UN is run by third world dictators...

 

Very correct, as they have demonstrated over the decades.

While some do not care about UN resolutions, they are quick to accept UN assistance, funding and care when offered.

12 hours ago, blackbird said:

The U.N. and its associated organizations have a long history of anti-semitism and anti Israel resolutions.  Everything they do is automatically anti Israel and has no credibility.  

Bull$hit. Prove that allegation. I will grow older waiting for you to prove that. LOL

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Very correct, as they have demonstrated over the decades.

While some do not care about UN resolutions, they are quick to accept UN assistance, funding and care when offered.

Bull$hit. Prove that allegation. I will grow older waiting for you to prove that. LOL

It's too long a list to post on here.  Here is the link with the long list of resolutions against Israel by the U.N.

List of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel - Wikipedia

Here is a list for the past 40 years.  That is long enough.

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• 1984:
  • 23 November: Resolution 39/14: Reiterates the demand that Israel withdraw its threat to attack the nuclear facilities of neighbouring nations.
  • 30 November: Resolution 39/28: Financing of UNDOF.
  • 12 December: Resolution 39/54: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.
  • 13 December: Resolution 39/72-C: Demanding that Israel terminate all form of collaboration with South Africa.
  • 14 December: Resolutions 39/95: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
  • 14 December: Resolution 39/101: Demands Israel not to build a canal between the Dead Sea and the Mediterranean.
  • 14 December: Resolution 39/146: Reaffirmation of resolution 38/180 condemning Israel and calling all nations to cut ties with it.
  • 17 December: Resolution 39/147: Israeli nuclear armament.
  • 17 December: Resolution 39/169: Living conditions of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territories.
  • 18 December: Resolution 39/223: Economic development projects in the occupied Palestinian territories.
• 1985:
  • 1 November: Resolution 40/6: Reaffirmation of the condemnation of Israel on its attack on the Iraqi nuclear facility.
  • 2 December: Resolution 40/59: Financing of UNDOF.
  • 10 December: Resolution 40/64-E: Demanding that Israel terminate all forms of collaboration with South Africa.
  • 12 December: Resolution 40/82: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.
  • 12 December: Resolution 40/93: Israeli nuclear armament.
  • 16 December: Resolutions 40/161: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
  • 16 December: Resolution 40/167: Decides to monitor Israel's decision to construct a canal between the Dead Sea and the Mediterranean.
  • 16 December: Resolution 40/168: Reaffirmation of resolution 38/180 condemning Israel and calling all nations to cut ties with it.
  • 17 December: Resolution 40/169: Economic development projects in the occupied Palestinian territories.
  • 17 December: Resolution 40/201: Living conditions of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territories.
• 1986:
  • 29 October: Resolution 41/12: Calling Israel to place its nuclear facilities under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
  • 10 November: Resolution 41/35-C: Demanding that Israel terminate all forms of collaboration with South Africa.
  • 3 December: Resolution 41/44: Financing of UNDOF.
  • 3 December: Resolution 41/48: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.
  • 3 December: Resolutions 41/63: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
  • 4 December: Resolution 41/93: Israeli nuclear armament.
  • 4 December: Resolution 41/162: Reaffirmation of resolution 38/180 condemning Israel and calling all nations to cut ties with it.
• 1987:
  • 20 November: Resolution 42/23-D: Demanding that Israel terminate all forms of collaboration with South Africa.
  • 30 November: Resolution 42/28: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.
  • 30 November: Resolution 42/44: Israeli nuclear armament.
  • 3 December: Resolution 42/70: Financing of UNDOF.
  • 8 December: Resolutions 42/160: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
  • 11 December: Resolution 42/166: Assistance to the Palestinian people.
  • 11 December: Resolution 42/190: Living conditions of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territories.
  • 11 December: Resolution 42/209: Reaffirmation of resolution 38/180 condemning Israel and calling all nations to cut ties with it.
• 1988:
  • 3 November: Resolution 43/21: The First Palestinian Intifada.
  • 5 December: Resolution 43/50-E: Demanding that Israel terminate all forms of collaboration with South Africa.
  • 6 December: Resolution 43/54: Reaffirmation of resolution 38/180 condemning Israel and calling all nations to cut ties with it.
  • 6 December: Resolutions 43/58: Report of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Population of the Occupied Territories.
  • 7 December: Resolution 43/65: Calling for an establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in the Middle East.
  • 7 December: Resolution 43/80: Israeli nuclear armament.
  • 15 December: UN General Assembly Resolution 43/176: International Peace Conference; principles for peace
  • 21 December: Resolution 43/228: Financing of UNDOF.
• 1989:
  • 20 April: Resolution 43/233: Expressing shock over killing of Palestinian civilians in Nahalin.
• 1991:
  • 16 December: Resolution 4686: Annulled Res. 3379
• 2012
  • 29 March: Resolution 66/225: Exploitation of natural resources.
• 2017
  • 21 December: Resolution ES-10/19: Criticizing US policy on Jerusalem.
• 2018
  • 13 June: Resolution ES-10/20: Criticizing the Israeli response to the 2018 Gaza border protests.
• 2023
  • 27 October: Resolution ES-10/21: Protection of civilians and upholding legal and humanitarian obligations in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war.
  • 12 December: Resolution ES-10/22

[Black Dog]

Did a double take when I saw the OP's byline and thought this was a new piece and old Rex had crawled out of his grave. But fortunately he's still dead.

14 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

In 10 years, this could be Gaza,.....

Not shown: any Palestinians.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

It's too long a list to post on here.  Here is the link with the long list of resolutions against Israel by the U.N.

List of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel - Wikipedia

Here is a list for the past 40 years.  That is long enough.

 

Yep, the list is long.

When the nations of the world determine one country continually violates the UN rules...they will get admonished and it looks like Israel shits in the bed a lot LOL

[Army Guy]

10 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Very correct, as they have demonstrated over the decades.

While some do not care about UN resolutions, they are quick to accept UN assistance, funding and care when offered.

Bull$hit. Prove that allegation. I will grow older waiting for you to prove that. LOL

Well the rest of the globe has not exactly been caring about Israel and all the issues they have faced , there are a few exceptions the US being one of them...

Why does Canada feel the need to care about any UN resolutions, what benefit do we get out of being part of this organization, i mean over all this organization has proven over and over to be biased, over certain nations, i mean just look at the people that were put in charge of human rights...Dictators at one time,....thats got to raise a red flag or two... who does that...

 

7 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Not shown: any Palestinians.

They all moved to Toronto....there are a few under the bridges if you look really close....

[eyeball]

18 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Why does Canada feel the need to care about any UN resolutions,

It's a little suspicious that the only thing the UN was ever good for was creating Israel the way it did.

[ExFlyer]

18 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Well the rest of the globe has not exactly been caring about Israel and all the issues they have faced , there are a few exceptions the US being one of them...

Why does Canada feel the need to care about any UN resolutions, what benefit do we get out of being part of this organization, i mean over all this organization has proven over and over to be biased, over certain nations, i mean just look at the people that were put in charge of human rights...Dictators at one time,....thats got to raise a red flag or two... who does that...

 

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All I can say is when it is all against one...I am thinking the one may be in the wrong??

It is not a matter of what Canada benefits out of this,, Canada is part of a global organization and has a voye, like all other nations.

Although, Canada has been trying for years to be on the Unted Nations Security Council again. after 24 years..after being on it 6 times in the past. Maybe Canada's stature in the world has been the reaspon it is not on it?

[Army Guy]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

It is not a matter of what Canada benefits out of this,, Canada is part of a global organization and has a voye, like all other nations.

Although, Canada has been trying for years to be on the Unted Nations Security Council again. after 24 years..after being on it 6 times in the past. Maybe Canada's stature in the world has been the reaspon it is not on it?

Why would we want to be part of some group if it has no benefit to our nation...we pay to be a part of this and we get back a vote....that counts for what....not much....UN is run by 3 rd world nations, they have there own agenda...They have no power at all, neither does the inter national courts....The US has already come out and said any nation that messes with Israelis PM will be sanctioned or worse by the US government...Joe Biden, flexes before leaving office...

we pay , and get nothing in return, nor do we stop wars, starvation, nothing...it is a toothless organization terrorist organization have taken advantage of...

Why would we want a seat at the table...does it give us power, or global reputation, i mean where do you think we stand on the global scale of reputation if we can't even get a seat at the table...It once was a powerful organization, but today, come on they had a murdering dictator as human rights chair men...come on....

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Why would we want to be part of some group if it has no benefit to our nation...

Someone important must have thought Canada would benefit by joining when it meant Jewish refugees would go somewhere else. As you should know by now Canada was instrumental in formulating the UN plan used to partition Palestinians from Jewish refugees.

So did the United Nations General Assembly become useless in your opinion before it passed Resolution 194 or after?