refugees in Canada get $224.00 per day from our Government to eat and stay in a hotel room. That's more than the average canadian makes per day.

[CdnFox]

This is absolutely insane. We have got to drastically cut back the number of refugees we will accept. We can't even afford to take care of our own people and we're paying beyond the average Canadian wage to take care of other people that we have no responsibility for

 

 

[blackbird]

Michael Hardner finds that funny?  Give us a break.  Explain yourself.  Michael you are out of touch with reality, just as the Liberals are.  Canadians are paying for this disaster of a government.  Many Canadians have to depend on food banks and the health care system is failing while Trudeau gives vast amounts of money to refugees.

Edited November 17, 2024 by blackbird

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Many Canadians have to depend on food banks and the health care system is failing while Trudeau gives vast amounts of money to refugees.

How much have you given? Not enough apparently or the government wouldn't have to pick up where Christianity can't or won't.

[DUI_Offender]

Deport them all. Canada is full. We have too many new people, especially Indians.

Edited November 17, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Legato]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

How much have you given? Not enough apparently or the government wouldn't have to pick up where Christianity can't or won't.

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Michael Hardner finds that funny?  Give us a break.  Explain yourself.  Michael you are out of touch with reality, just as the Liberals are.  Canadians are paying for this disaster of a government.  Many Canadians have to depend on food banks and the health care system is failing while Trudeau gives vast amounts of money to refugees.

@Michael Hardner was just over in another thread trying to claim that I somehow enjoy the pain and misery of others, and meanwhile is over here laughing at the fact that candians are suffering while paying for others.

Mike  your hypocrisy knows no bounds.  Right, mr "i wish we could have a civil discussion'? 

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

How much have you given? Not enough apparently or the government wouldn't have to pick up where Christianity can't or won't.

more than you probably. The left always loves to spend other people's money and demands that other people make sacrifices, but god forbid they ever get off their ass and contribute in any meaningful way

[herbie]

Yes it's absolutely hilarious.

I got $107 a day for food & hotel back in 1982 and griped it was less than the Search& Rescue guys in the Forces next door to me did. Last time I stayed at a Super8 it was almost $180 with seniors off season rates and last week the quarter pounder meal deal cost me $23 plus 35¢ for the bag.

What makes it hilarious is not one of you pinheads recognizes the problem is not having shelter provision or work permits for them.
DUHH let's look at this in our usual way, find the most outrageous situation and carry on that it's the only solution and happens every single time!!

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

How much have you given? Not enough apparently or the government wouldn't have to pick up where Christianity can't or won't.

Two points which you don't understand.

Many Christians and churches give money to charitable causes.

So when you accuse Christians of not giving enough or not giving any, you are lying.  You have no idea what they give.  Christians don't go around broadcasting what they give because they are warned about not boasting about any good they do.  The Bible says if they boast then they have their reward now, not in heaven.

Secondly, Socialism or Communism is contrary to the Bible because it is stealing.  When government takes a person's money to give to other people, that is what Communism or Socialism is all about and it is stealing.  What gives you the right to say you should have what your neighbour has and the government should take it for you?

Edited November 17, 2024 by blackbird

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, herbie said:

What makes it hilarious is not one of you pinheads recognizes the problem is not having shelter provision or work permits for them.

Whose fault is that?  So instead give some illegal migrant or fake refugee that just walks across the border or any refugee for that matter $224 a day or $81,760 a year.  There are billions of people in the world living in poverty.  Why not force Canadians to support millions of them?  Isn't that what your Socialism says should be done?  That's what the U.N. wants you to do.

There are millions of Canadians who have lived and worked here all their lives and don't earn near that much money.  If you don't see the insanity of this, nothing anybody says will help.

Edited November 17, 2024 by blackbird

[herbie]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Whose fault is that?  So instead give some illegal migrant or fake refugee

Illegal immigrants, fake refugees...
You claim to be a Canadian and swallow MAGA bullshit as your diet?

You mean like the fake refugee they wanted to deport because some immigration officer read the penalty for dodging the Russian draft was only a $7 - $42 fine ? And the ones here on student and work visas that would like to be immigrants?

Admit it you'd be squealing like a stuck pig if they even proposed a couple multi-million dollar refugee centres to put them up in.
Come on put your money where your mouth is here, stand up and demand your congregation demand citizenship ID at their soup kitchen!

[CITIZEN_2015]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

This is absolutely insane. We have got to drastically cut back the number of refugees we will accept. We can't even afford to take care of our own people and we're paying beyond the average Canadian wage to take care of other people that we have no responsibility for

 

 

This is just the visible cost to tax payers. The invisible cost like the health cost for example. These refugees don't enjoy the best of the health. Their health, neglected over decades who are mostly from third world countries cost billions and load our already loaded overcrowded health system and hospital beds so that those seniors born here or have paid taxes for decades may die waiting while these new comer never paying a single dollar in taxes or never fought for Canada or never contributed to Canada get the service and beds. Insanity to the infinity.

I am not against immigrants. I am an immigrant of decades ago myself but I was admitted after waiting for 2 years for my qualifications and have contributed hundreds of thousands to the treasury since and until ten years ago never used the health service so I welcome qualified legal immigrants who are compatible with the superior culture of this country which is believing in the equality and respect for women and human rights and respect for other religions and cultures. Those who don't are trash and not welcome and I have no respect for them.

Edited November 17, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Two points which you don't understand.

Many Christians and churches give money to charitable causes.

So does Canada.

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

So when you accuse Christians of not giving enough or not giving any, you are lying.  You have no idea what they give. 

Apparently not enough is all I said, it wasn't an accusation, thankfully Canada can pitch in.

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Christians don't go around broadcasting what they give because they are warned about not boasting about any good they do.  The Bible says if they boast then they have their reward now, not in heaven. The Bible says if they boast then they have their reward now, not in heaven.

No apparently they go around broadcasting their displeasure at public funds being used to help people. What does the Bible say about whining when the government sees fit to do so? The command to render unto Caeser that which is his comes to mind.  BTW isn't claiming a deduction for charitable donations on your tax return like boasting about it not to mention leaving it to Canadians to pick up even more slack?

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Secondly, Socialism or Communism is contrary to the Bible because it is stealing.  When government takes a person's money to give to other people, that is what Communism or Socialism is all about and it is stealing.  What gives you the right to say you should have what your neighbour has and the government should take it for you?

Nothing, we're not talking about me we're talking about Caesar aka the government, who I've been given to understand does have the right to take our money - it's right to do so probably flows out from the good Lord's command to render unto Caeser/governments that which is theirs. You do subscribe to the idea that our laws and rights are based on God's morals and values right?

Edited November 18, 2024 by eyeball

[User]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

What does the Bible say about whining when the government sees fit to do so? The command to render unto Caeser that which is his comes to mind. 

No, it was not a command. It was Jesus' response to a trick question, pointing out that the coins were Ceasars to begin with, so give them back to him if he commands it. 

Beyond that, Rome was not a representative democracy as we know them today in Western nations such as Canada, where you have the freedom of speech to advocate for the way your government spends your money, nor are we here arguing about not paying any taxes at all anyhow. 

You are completely butchering this scripture to try to score some cheap points against Christianity in this discussion. 

Its a bit ironic since you are basically acting like the same Pharisees who tried to do this same thing to Jesus. 

 

Edited November 18, 2024 by User

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, User said:

You are completely butchering this scripture to try to score some cheap points against Christianity in this discussion.

Its a bit ironic since you are basically acting like the same Pharisees who tried to do this same thing to Jesus. 

Are you suggesting this particular Christian scripture isn't related to paying taxes? It goes even further really and effectively says people should submit to human authorities as well as religious.

As I understand it Jesus told the Pharisees to stop whining and pay both their tithes and their taxes. No one whines harder about paying taxes than right wing conservatives and there's nothing that provides clearer evidence that Jesus was a lefty.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, User said:

nor are we here arguing about not paying any taxes at all anyhow

The discussion started off about how taxes are spent but rapidly turned towards the question of collecting them with little to no differentiating that from theft. It's only legal moral and closer to God presumably when they're spent on things you support.

But not charity in this case, oddly enough.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

So does Canada.

 

The difference is you can decide whether or not you want to donate to the church. If you don't like how they spend their money then you don't have to give him a nickel.

But Canada comes and takes your money at gunpoint by force of law. If you don't pay it you can go to jail.

Taking your money without permission is very serious. If you're not using it to benefit the people you took it from (Canadians)  that's probably a pretty big problem. Because normally when you take money for the benefit of somebody else without permission we would call it theft

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The discussion started off about how taxes are spent but rapidly turned towards the question of collecting them with little to no differentiating that from theft.

Another case in point...

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But Canada comes and takes your money at gunpoint by force of law.

 

[CdnFox]

44 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Another case in point...

 

As usual, you can't address the point so you make a useless post that brings nothing to the table and flee with your head between your legs. 

It must hurt, looking around you and realizing that literally everything that you've been preaching for the last number of years has turned out to be wrong and that the world is turning against you.

You go cry yourself to sleep little guy,  the adults will deal with the political issues. 

 

[User]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

Are you suggesting this particular Christian scripture isn't related to paying taxes?

I made my argument. Feel free to respond to any of it if you can. 

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

As I understand it Jesus told the Pharisees to stop whining and pay both their tithes and their taxes.

Then you don't understand what this scripture was about. I explained it to you. The Pharisees were not there to whine about paying taxes. They were there to trip up Jesus with a trick question. 

Similar to what you are trying to do here... you are here either ignorantly or deceptively trying to use scripture to trip up other Christians. 

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

But not charity in this case, oddly enough.

Charity is something you do as an individual. It is no longer charity when you take other peoples money to give to others. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, User said:

Charity is something you do as an individual. It is no longer charity when you take other peoples money to give to others. 

Precisely. He didn't have an answer when I said that, I doubt he'll have one for you either.

[User]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Precisely. He didn't have an answer when I said that, I doubt he'll have one for you either.

It's one of the underlying ignorant notions of many on the left. They think they are doing something noble or engaged in some kind of altruism when using other people's money. 

 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, User said:

Then you don't understand what this scripture was about.

It was political with regard to the relationships between people their money their beliefs and their governments. Like most of the bandwidth this forum takes up.

4 hours ago, User said:

Charity is something you do as an individual. It is no longer charity when you take other peoples money to give to others. 

Assuming it really is their money which is something this scripture seems to question.

14 hours ago, User said:

Rome was not a representative democracy as we know them today in Western nations such as Canada, where you have the freedom of speech to advocate for the way your government spends your money,

Sure but when this advocacy turns its attention to the issue of how or where governments collect the money they spend in the first place and say it's stolen at gunpoint by the government...is this what you Christians imagine Jesus was saying? Or is it just what you want to hear?

Edited November 18, 2024 by eyeball

[eyeball]

36 minutes ago, User said:

It's one of the underlying ignorant notions of many on the left. They think they are doing something noble or engaged in some kind of altruism when using other people's money. 

OTOH we could just say it's doing something necessary.

[User]

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

OTOH we could just say it's doing something necessary.

Yeah, that is the point, stop pretending you are doing something noble out of your own altruism. 

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

is this what you Christians imagine Jesus was saying? Or is it just what you want to hear?

Yet again, I already made my argument and explained it again. You can stop asking me what I thought Jesus was saying. I told you. 

 

[eyeball]

38 minutes ago, User said:

Yeah, that is the point, stop pretending you are doing something noble out of your own altruism.

I'm not pretending when I say I think what the government is doing is more noble than leaving refugees out in the street.

38 minutes ago, User said:

Yet again, I already made my argument and explained it again. You can stop asking me what I thought Jesus was saying. I told you. 

I'm only doing the same thing which is telling you what I think he meant, that communism the left and theft has nothing to do with helping people.

But if it does, it clearly puts Jesus on the left don't you think?

Personally I think he was simply a natural born humanist with a keen eye for the human condition - woke in a word.

Edited November 18, 2024 by eyeball