The wrecking of Canada continues

[blackbird]

 

The post national state under Trudeau and the Liberals has been a complete disaster.  Liberal ideology shows no signs of changing so the downward spiral will continue.

"The Liberals have consistently exhibited a serious lack of judgment, understanding of Khalistani extremism , and recognition of India’s regional security priorities when dealing with New Delhi. Whether it was Trudeau’s calamitous “ Bollywood adventure ” India trip in 2018, or the handling of the Nijjar assassination case, the Liberals have been way out of their depth when it comes to deploying a charm offensive to woo the Modi government.

A sensible and competent statesman would have resorted to backroom diplomacy to convince India to join the RCMP investigation into the Nijjar assassination case to ensure that the bilateral ties between Canada and India remained intact. Instead, the eternal showman that he is, Trudeau opted for an image-based communications strategy and partisan mudslinging . Consequentially, Canada’s relationship with a natural ally is in tatters, and a foreign conflict that has nothing to do with Canadians has spilled onto the streets.

These outcomes are hardly surprising for a government obsessed with social engineering and virtue-signaling. Promoting post-national multiculturalism with pretentious statements like  “You come here, you can be who you are” and “ There is no core identity , no mainstream in Canada,” offer little to no incentive to newcomers to assimilate into Canadian society in any meaningful way. On the contrary, multiculturalism undermines national unity, and equal individual rights as minority interests and rights are prioritized instead. Even Quebec Premier François Legault recognizes the threat multiculturalism poses to the French language and Quebec culture.

After years of appeasing certain groups and excusing the violence on the streets, the Trudeau government has succeeded in turning Canada into a dumpster fire for cultural grievances. Instead of enforcing the rule of law to deter rioters and pro-terror supporters, preachy platitudes like “This is not who we are as Canadians” are offered. Then again, appeasement politics, not law and order, has been the hallmark of the Trudeau government. Allies, not extremists, are abandoned if it translates into votes. These tendencies are also best illustrated by the Liberals’ willful blindness to the increasingly hostile pro-terror protests and attacks against the Jewish community that have continued incessantly for over a year."

Joe Adam George: Khalistani-Hindu clashes product of Trudeau’s post-national experiment

[August1991]

On 11/12/2024 at 4:15 PM, blackbird said:

 

The post national state under Trudeau and the Liberals has been a complete disaster.  Liberal ideology shows no signs of changing so the downward spiral will continue.

...

Post national state?

----

We Canadans (unlike Swedes, Norwegians and Finns) have created a State

-a place where different people live together

-with two languages

.

[August1991]

Canada is civilised. We Canadians get along.

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The modern Swedes step aside when the Germans kill the French.

 

Edited November 14, 2024 by August1991

[Gaétan]

On 11/12/2024 at 4:15 PM, blackbird said:

 

The post national state under Trudeau and the Liberals has been a complete disaster.  Liberal ideology shows no signs of changing so the downward spiral will continue.

"The Liberals have consistently exhibited a serious lack of judgment, understanding of Khalistani extremism , and recognition of India’s regional security priorities when dealing with New Delhi. Whether it was Trudeau’s calamitous “ Bollywood adventure ” India trip in 2018, or the handling of the Nijjar assassination case, the Liberals have been way out of their depth when it comes to deploying a charm offensive to woo the Modi government.

A sensible and competent statesman would have resorted to backroom diplomacy to convince India to join the RCMP investigation into the Nijjar assassination case to ensure that the bilateral ties between Canada and India remained intact. Instead, the eternal showman that he is, Trudeau opted for an image-based communications strategy and partisan mudslinging . Consequentially, Canada’s relationship with a natural ally is in tatters, and a foreign conflict that has nothing to do with Canadians has spilled onto the streets.

These outcomes are hardly surprising for a government obsessed with social engineering and virtue-signaling. Promoting post-national multiculturalism with pretentious statements like  “You come here, you can be who you are” and “ There is no core identity , no mainstream in Canada,” offer little to no incentive to newcomers to assimilate into Canadian society in any meaningful way. On the contrary, multiculturalism undermines national unity, and equal individual rights as minority interests and rights are prioritized instead. Even Quebec Premier François Legault recognizes the threat multiculturalism poses to the French language and Quebec culture.

After years of appeasing certain groups and excusing the violence on the streets, the Trudeau government has succeeded in turning Canada into a dumpster fire for cultural grievances. Instead of enforcing the rule of law to deter rioters and pro-terror supporters, preachy platitudes like “This is not who we are as Canadians” are offered. Then again, appeasement politics, not law and order, has been the hallmark of the Trudeau government. Allies, not extremists, are abandoned if it translates into votes. These tendencies are also best illustrated by the Liberals’ willful blindness to the increasingly hostile pro-terror protests and attacks against the Jewish community that have continued incessantly for over a year."

Joe Adam George: Khalistani-Hindu clashes product of Trudeau’s post-national experiment

These are problems that you imagined while watching television

[blackbird]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

Post national state?

----

We Canadans (unlike Swedes, Norwegians and Finns) have created a State

-a place where different people live together

-with two languages

.

Did you read the whole article?

'

On the contrary, multiculturalism undermines national unity, and equal individual rights as minority interests and rights are prioritized instead. Even Quebec Premier François Legault recognizes the threat multiculturalism poses to the French language and Quebec culture.

After years of appeasing certain groups and excusing the violence on the streets, the Trudeau government has succeeded in turning Canada into a dumpster fire for cultural grievances. Instead of enforcing the rule of law to deter rioters and pro-terror supporters, preachy platitudes like “This is not who we are as Canadians” are offered. Then again, appeasement politics, not law and order, has been the hallmark of the Trudeau government."

Not only is Canada becoming a worse mess with groups fighting for their foreign culture or home country grievances and conflicts,  but Canada has opened its doors to allow every fake refugee, migrant, terrorist, and terrorist sympathizer in possible.

Canada has become a kind of international branch country of the U.N. and is used by the U.N. to fund all kinds of things in other countries as the expense of Canadians.  Canadians are the willing suckers.

Edited November 14, 2024 by blackbird

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 

On the contrary, multiculturalism undermines national unity, and equal individual rights as minority interests and rights are prioritized instead. Even Quebec Premier François Legault recognizes the threat multiculturalism poses to the French language and Quebec culture.

 

These would be interesting points if they were being discussed when they were introduced In the early 70s

White supremacy is poison.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

These would be interesting points if they were being discussed when they were introduced In the early 70s

White supremacy is poison.

Why do you think the lefty liberal government brought in medical assistance in dying (MAID) or assisted suicide?  Not to mention the federal government is pushing abortion as a good choice for women.  This is no lie if you have read what they have been saying and doing.  That includes the new liberal Premier of New Brunswick who advocates abortion.  MAID and abortion, mainly for the white people, who are dumb enough to do it.  Probably cuts the white population of Canada down by around 100,000 per year, while liberals bring in around 300,000 to 500,000 immigrants and fake refugees per year from the the third world.  We can see the destiny of white people in Canada.

Edited November 14, 2024 by blackbird

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

White supremacy is poison.

You liberals have found a partial final solution, abortion and MAID and mass immigration from the third world.

Edited November 14, 2024 by blackbird

[ExFlyer]

Just more partisan political bunk from the resident bible thumper LOL

[Venandi]

10 hours ago, August1991 said:

Post national state?

What ever could that possibly mean eh?

Justen seems to think Canada qualifies as fine example of it though.

Remember in 2016 when he said that Canada had no core identity and he told the NYTs that Canada is becoming a new kind of country, one not defined by our history or national origins... not only no core identity but no "mainstream" either (whatever that means). He asserted that Canada was actually the first post national state and as I recall it raised a few eyebrows in the NYTs as well...,you have to work at that BTW.

4 hours ago, Gaétan said:

These are problems that you imagined while watching television

A backwards sentiment IMO... it's only NOT a problem for people who watch way too much television. I"m guessing most of the folks who qualify don't have windows to look out of either.

Go to the Legion, find an old guy with lots of medals and ask... it's likely a problem for him too, or for that matter, anyone who took long vacations in warm countries while dressed in blue (in most any capacity).

I'm talking about the sort of things easily viewed from a window right now, and it's exactly what that old guy thought he was keeping "over there."  

Average people are beginning to see that and even react to it now... unfortunately "the now part" is a bit late in the game. After voters get around to demanding change, and doing it in numbers too large to ignore, it will take 15 years to unfuc% what we've already done (allowed to happen whilst watching TV might be a better way of putting it).

Edited November 14, 2024 by Venandi

[blackbird]

"Michael Higgins: The woke takeover of Remembrance Day"

"

Left to our virtue-signalling elites, our hapless leaders and our ignorant educators, Canada would have forsworn its solemn duty to remember the dead and honour those who served.

Thankfully, ordinary Canadians are less susceptible to the vagaries of woke culture and DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) policies, and understand that bravery, duty and sacrifice are virtues that require us occasionally to pause, reflect and honour those who served.

But what can we say to the likes of Aaron Hobbs , the principal of Ottawa’s Sir Robert Borden High School, whose characterization of Remembrance Day was that it was usually about “a white guy who has done something related to the military”?

Hobbs’ insult to every Canadian who has served and serves still was made in defence of allowing an Arabic-language Palestinian protest song to be played during a Remembrance Day assembly at the school. Only after righteous anger ensued did Hobbs issue a pro forma apology.

Remembrance Day should have been about honouring those “who have sacrificed their lives for the freedoms we hold dear,” he said in a statement. The inclusion of the song was not in line with the schools “values of respect and unity.”

Whatever values Hobbs seeks to instill in his young students, virtue is not one of them."

Michael Higgins: The woke takeover of Remembrance Day

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Why do you think the lefty liberal government brought in medical assistance in dying (MAID) or assisted suicide?  Not to mention the federal government is pushing abortion as a good choice for women.  This is no lie if you have read what they have been saying and doing.  That includes the new liberal Premier of New Brunswick who advocates abortion.  MAID and abortion, mainly for the white people, who are dumb enough to do it.  Probably cuts the white population of Canada down by around 100,000 per year, while liberals bring in around 300,000 to 500,000 immigrants and fake refugees per year from the the third world.  We can see the destiny of white people in Canada.

Instead of countering my points, you show up with new ideas about abortion and MAID. Do you think only white people do these things? 

Weight replacement theory is insidious and incorrect. I don't care to discuss such crackpot ideas. If you have something more grounded, I'd be glad to chat.

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You liberals have found a partial final solution, abortion and MAID and mass immigration from the third world.

Was one reply not enough for you? 

 

Conspiracy theory. Not interested.

[herbie]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

multiculturalism undermines national unity

Xenophobic still whining several generations later.

[Venandi]

19 hours ago, blackbird said:

multiculturalism undermines national unity...

I now reluctantly agree.

I wonder if most people simply associate(d) multiculturalism with innocuous cultural activities like ethnic food, national celebrations, traditions, religious diversity, etc.

That sort of diversity is fine (at least with me) but there remains the element of human nature and all of the unanticipated consequences that accompany it. Those warts can be seen right here.

The world over, it seems when demographic concentrations become a little too concentrated, previously (I'll say) oppressed people invariably demand the conformation of others, and they DEMAND it to a level that goes beyond (usually way beyond) the very notion of tolerance and peaceful coexistence they themselves initially advocated for.

Frankly, that's how I got sucked into defending such things as transgender rights... I thought they just wanted to live their lives in peace and not be molested, judged, or discriminated against. Surely any sensible person with an ounce of compassion would support such things.

But (BUT)... things like drag queen story time (in school settings for young children), trying to force private religious schools (say catholic) to fly pride flags, and invading women's sports with uncut male athletes who happen to feel like women are clear examples of too much being too much. And perversely, it's starkly at odds with their own original premise of freedom and acceptance; it begs the well deserved pushback it's getting now.

Expect more...   

In short, and IMO of course, compassionate Canadiens who initially supported this stuff now feel duped by it; it's as if their good nature has been taken advantage of and crafted into a bludgeon to beat them over the head with.... and after the beating, they get smelly cheese rubbed in their face for daring to object to the bludgeoning. 

Ridiculing these folks at this juncture no longer works, it's actually the very definition of counter productive. The reason it doesn't work is because they aren't, they never were, and the trolls doing the name calling damn well know it. 

Like a bad house guest, THEY took advantage of the kindness, generosity and good nature offered to them. I think it was ill advised; but it no longer matters... it's over. I want you out of my house, and at this point, nastiness and ridicule will only get your a$$ evicted quicker. 

      

 

  

Edited November 15, 2024 by Venandi

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, Venandi said:

 

But (BUT)... things like drag queen story time (in school settings for young children), trying to force private religious schools ...

It's the parents and communities that want this.  Just because you disagree with these things, doesn't mean they're "forced".  Likewise, we're not bringing "oppressed" people here in a homogeneous group to rebel against "whites".

Your narrative is, generously, forced.  

[Venandi]

26 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

rebel against "whites".

Colour has nothing to do with the concept I described, it's irrelevant and makes a poor argument.

Lots of examples of people with the same ethnicity battling each other under different (but similar) situations. Those situations and motivations are always different, but human nature remains constant whether it's water rights, cattle stealing or whatever. That's what makes it predictable.

Perhaps the reason people feel duped is that they thought (or believed) that Canada was different (magical somehow) and that we could do multiculturalism right... meaning in a non hateful manner. 

In the final analysis I don't think we did, and in the process of doing it wrong we turned those parents you referred to against their neighbours; It was unnecessary and profoundly counter productive IMO.

Overtly "pressuring" (if you prefer that to the notion of forcing) people to conform to values they don't hold causes them to reject values they would have otherwise tolerated. That's the point I think, that's what we're seeing happen now.

It's one of those situations easily avoided IMO, all you had to do was nothing. Take the win... what's wrong with yes as an answer? 

I don't think history is going to be kind...

 

Edited November 15, 2024 by Venandi

[Michael Hardner]

11 minutes ago, Venandi said:

1. Perhaps the reason people feel duped is that they thought (or believed) that Canada was different (magical somehow) and that we could do multiculturalism right... meaning in a non hateful manner. 

2. In the final analysis I don't think we did, and in the process of doing it wrong we turned those parents you referred to against their neighbours; It was unnecessary and profoundly counter productive IMO.

3. Overtly "pressuring" (if you prefer that to the notion of forcing) people to conform to values they don't hold causes them to reject values they would have otherwise tolerated. That's the point I think.

 

 

1. Except we did for generations.  Perhaps there's something else - something traditionally instrumental in triggering ethnic strife ?  Like economics ?
2. I live in an ethnically diverse area and I haven't seen whatever you're imagining.
3. I do remember that the Christians and Muslims banded together to support Doug Ford's opposition to sex ed.  In the end, Doug took those votes and did nothing much in the way of change.

[Venandi]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Except we did for generations.  Perhaps there's something else - something traditionally instrumental in triggering ethnic strife ?  Like economics ?

Or maybe we were moderate, careful and avoided stratospheric levels of madness like we've see in the US. The election result certainly wasn't a surprise IMO but it doesn't mean that Americans are anti-refugee, and they aren't anti- immigration either... they're anti-insanity, it's that pushback (on a number of fronts BTW) that created the election result.

I'm suggesting that all ya had to do was not be bat sh%t crazy.

What happened to trigger that result didn't have to happen, it shouldn't have happened, it happened illegally and what's going to happen next (as a direct result of that) should never have needed to happen at all.

Now a lot of people are going to get hurt in an effort to fix that which should never (and I mean ^%$#@*& NEVER) been deliberately broken in the first place. My question is "what did you think was going to happen?"

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. I live in an ethnically diverse area and I haven't seen whatever you're imagining.

A common argument with people who have never left the vacation circuit, and I don't mean that in a mean way either. It's just that I'm constantly amazed at how many well travelled people I've talked to have never seen "the bad side of town" (so to speak).

My barber is Muslim and she's lovely... none the less, it makes a weak argument for importing ancient grievances that predate confederation whilst expecting our clean, crisp, Canadian air to make all of that animosity go away.

The number of people who go parasailing in the Maldives and return with a profound understanding of Islam actually scares me.

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

3. I do remember that the Christians and Muslims banded together to support Doug Ford's opposition to sex ed. 

Jews and Palestinians would band together to fight space aliens too.

And nothing unites adversarial War Lords amore than their collective hatred of foreign white guys with Oakley sunglasses, Rolex watches, and Randall Made Model 1 knives.

Moving forward, I predict you will find Muslims far less easy to trample underfoot than Christians are.

That demographic concentration thing I mentioned earlier is going to surprise a lot of well meaning liberals when it reaches critical mass, and it's not just here. In 50 years Germany may be a predominantly Muslim country. In fact, some end time prophesy (if you're into such things) now hinges on that being the case. 

Anyway, some food for thought I guess... it's stopped raining now and I have run. 

Cheers

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2024 by Venandi

[eyeball]

On 11/14/2024 at 8:03 AM, blackbird said:

multiculturalism undermines national unity

Nothing like right wing ideology does. It's not even close.

[Michael Hardner]

40 minutes ago, Venandi said:

1. they're anti-insanity, it's that pushback (on a number of fronts BTW) that created the election result.

2. I'm suggesting that all ya had to do was not be bat sh%t crazy.

3.  A common argument with people who have never left the vacation circuit, and I don't mean that in a mean way either. It's just that I'm constantly amazed at how many well travelled people I've talked to have never seen "the bad side of town" (so to speak).

4. My barber is Muslim and she's lovely... none the less, it makes a weak argument for importing ancient grievances that predate confederation whilst expecting our clean, crisp, Canadian air to make all of that animosity go away.

5. And nothing unites adversarial War Lords amore than their collective hatred of foreign white guys with Oakley sunglasses, Rolex watches, and Randall Made Model 1 knives.

6. Moving forward, I predict you will find Muslims far less easy to trample underfoot than Christians are.

 

 

 

 

1. I have rejected almost every election "take" I have read, as I reject yours now.  The only thing I believe could be true is that it was a lot of things, but mostly economic issues that drove the result.

2. Take=rejected.  "Ya" ?

3. What that has to do with immigration to my country, province, town... I can't say.  I have been out of the country before, including to poor places so... I'm still not getting it.

4. What Muslim grievance did we import ?  We had a lot here already before we even attempted to bring the Irish in...

5. Doug Ford... hates guys in Oakley... uh....

6. All cultures die in the face of the consumer society.  Yours did too.
 

[Venandi]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I have rejected almost every election "take" I have read

Best of luck with your own take then, I'm rooting for ya.

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

including to poor places so

I didn't say poor places... I said bad places and what I really meant was really bad places. Big difference.

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm still not getting it.

I see that.

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

All cultures die in the face of the consumer society.  Yours did too.
 

That one actually made me laugh... thanks, it's been one of those days.

I was taking about soldiers in foreign lands, for some, those items were (and probably still are) a small part of being part of a small club. BTW, the watch had to be a Submariner, somehow the Yacht Master didn't make the cut. In the 70's it was the Seiko Diver... so ya, things change eh?

As to right wing ideology, the earth shifted under my feet, suddenly the liberal values of old (the ones I used to get ridiculed for) became the RW rhetoric of today.

I turned 19 on a FOB in a foreign desert... my views haven't changed much over the years but the terrain, weather and opposing forces certainly have. 

 

Edited November 15, 2024 by Venandi

[herbie]

Common logical error among the panicked right is from not knowing the definition of "news".
It means something unusual, different or changed is reported. One High School playing the wrong music on Remembrance Day is news, not the norm. A child abduction in Detroit doesn't mean it is dangerous to let your kid play unattended in your own front yard in Quesnel.

And for all the years of bellowing, have they ever had a Drag Queen Story Hour near you? I f*cking doubt it. Or even know someone who's gay for that matter? I mean actually know, not just heard they were from someone else so you stare at them when you see them around? I doubt that either from the reaction of most posters here.

[paradox34]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's the parents and communities that want this.  Just because you disagree with these things, doesn't mean they're "forced".  Likewise, we're not bringing "oppressed" people here in a homogeneous group to rebel against "whites".

Your narrative is, generously, forced.  

Wrong! It's the government that wants this. The Liberal definition of Multiculturalism encourages division and hate. Multiculturalism DOES NOT mean you subvert the cultural and ethical history of the nation by pandering to the social political goals of special interest groups and foreign nationals. If you emigrate to Canada you should be Canadian not Chinese Canadian, black Canadian, Irish Canadian just Canadian. We welcome your ethnic customs but leave your political, ideological, religion bs baggage where you came from!

[Michael Hardner]

25 minutes ago, paradox34 said:

Wrong! It's the government that wants this. The Liberal definition of Multiculturalism encourages division and hate. Multiculturalism DOES NOT mean you subvert the cultural and ethical history of the nation by pandering to the social political goals of special interest groups and foreign nationals. If you emigrate to Canada you should be Canadian not Chinese Canadian, black Canadian, Irish Canadian just Canadian. We welcome your ethnic customs but leave your political, ideological, religion bs baggage where you came from!

If you were somewhat able to frame this in less incendiary language I'd be more interested in discussing it.

You think multiculturalism is evil or bad, I guess, based on your language. Bat our school it's welcomed.

There's likely nothing else to say.

Enjoy your evening...

[paradox34]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

If you were somewhat able to frame this in less incendiary language I'd be more interested in discussing it.

You think multiculturalism is evil or bad, I guess, based on your language. Bat our school it's welcomed.

There's likely nothing else to say.

Enjoy your evening...

Incendiary? lol. I didn't call for mass executions. I said we have every right to expect immigrants to respect our cultural history and assimilate, become Canadians. If they want a government that panders to their customs and beliefs they can return to where they came from and not riot in the streets when something happens back "home" they don't like.