Extinguishing the torch

[myata]

America has grown tired of carrying the torch. We understand. It happened.

It happened this time not through some terrible calamity, no great recession no desperate decline. It just happened. Boredom. Tiredness, absence of paths forward, dimmed hopes. Well, the reasons and causes can be many but the exam is done and there results are in. They do not lie: about a half of the nation are ready to accept and/or embrace fascism, in the right form if it's wrapped in the right posturing and  rhetoric.

And one more time: this is the reality. Factual. A half of the nation is ready to embrace fascism. Numbers don't lie.

Where do we go from here? Hope for another election? "Better connect with voters"? Will it work better than the last time? Could it?

Not a chance. Sleepwalking into the disaster in the hope that things would fix themselves at the very last moment, somehow, is exactly how the world ended up in a big trouble the last time. Back then, to remind, it was a world without nukes, gigantic stockpiles of it and brutal and ruthless totalitarian dictatorships ready to use them to redraw the maps and rules of the world.

Someone is frightened to peek out the window? Or will double down on the belief and worshiping of false prophets promising the salvation out of deep throats? And you need those votes, right? So you can't say it, the real state of affairs, the truth and will slide further and down in the vain hopes that will melt and evaporate with each passing day? That would be exactly what you did the last time. Not sorry to break it: it doesn't work. And it will not.

One cannot overcome a change and a challenge of this magnitude by ignoring it, looking the other way and playing happy tunes. It would only be an illustration and manifestation of the underlying cause of this conundrum, as always: it rose because nothing was left standing to it. The rules, conventions and traditions of the past eroded rusted and fell apart gradually but surely one by one. And nothing new came up, was built thoughtfully and persistently to replace them. All the way until, out of the blue, one deep throat of a common demagogue - not even a master of the genre as they come, was enough to bring it all down. All the while you were coasting in self-imposed illusion that something drawn on paper could last indefinitely. Even the last chance offered by the time you blew blissfully, without as much as a flicker of a thought.

So no, small chance that it would work now. No miracle escapes and cures in these cases. One possibility one could think of is an open national conversation, with a simple, clear topic: should we become a fascist nation? Are we ready to walk this path, from words that were spoken and are a fact now, all the way to reality? Not everyone would like it. Some will try to ignore or rejected with near-infinite number of reasons and excuses. That changes nothing. No election, no miracles will fix this problem easily now, at this stage. And ignoring it will almost certainly help it progress to the final ones. Now that you know it (it was in the book all along but you forgot) it's in your hands to make use of it - or ignore and squander yet again. A free choice. And there would be nothing new in it for the history that can't even recall the number of times it seen it happen. Nothing lasts forever in the entropy world. Things that need to be standing require constant and persistent thought, care and work. How easy to remember it. And so easy to forget.

 

 

Edited November 10, 2024 by myata

[sharkman]

2 things. First, man you have a lot of soap boxes.  You should go into business selling them.

Second, don't worry about this, Trump will convert enough of the half that wants fascism.   They will become patriotic Americans that want to change the course that America was going down.  Freedom.  Peace instead of war.  Smaller government and lower taxes, whats not to like about that?

Edited November 10, 2024 by sharkman

[Legato]

8 hours ago, myata said:

America has grown tired of carrying the torch. We understand. It happened.

It happened this time not through some terrible calamity, no great recession no desperate decline. It just happened. Boredom. Tiredness, absence of paths forward, dimmed hopes. Well, the reasons and causes can be many but the exam is done and there results are in. They do not lie: about a half of the nation are ready to accept and/or embrace fascism, in the right form if it's wrapped in the right posturing and  rhetoric.

And one more time: this is the reality. Factual. A half of the nation is ready to embrace fascism. Numbers don't lie.

Where do we go from here? Hope for another election? "Better connect with voters"? Will it work better than the last time? Could it?

Not a chance. Sleepwalking into the disaster in the hope that things would fix themselves at the very last moment, somehow, is exactly how the world ended up in a big trouble the last time. Back then, to remind, it was a world without nukes, gigantic stockpiles of it and brutal and ruthless totalitarian dictatorships ready to use them to redraw the maps and rules of the world.

Someone is frightened to peek out the window? Or will double down on the belief and worshiping of false prophets promising the salvation out of deep throats? And you need those votes, right? So you can't say it, the real state of affairs, the truth and will slide further and down in the vain hopes that will melt and evaporate with each passing day? That would be exactly what you did the last time. Not sorry to break it: it doesn't work. And it will not.

One cannot overcome a change and a challenge of this magnitude by ignoring it, looking the other way and playing happy tunes. It would only be an illustration and manifestation of the underlying cause of this conundrum, as always: it rose because nothing was left standing to it. The rules, conventions and traditions of the past eroded rusted and fell apart gradually but surely one by one. And nothing new came up, was built thoughtfully and persistently to replace them. All the way until, out of the blue, one deep throat of a common demagogue - not even a master of the genre as they come, was enough to bring it all down. All the while you were coasting in self-imposed illusion that something drawn on paper could last indefinitely. Even the last chance offered by the time you blew blissfully, without as much as a flicker of a thought.

So no, small chance that it would work now. No miracle escapes and cures in these cases. One possibility one could think of is an open national conversation, with a simple, clear topic: should we become a fascist nation? Are we ready to walk this path, from words that were spoken and are a fact now, all the way to reality? Not everyone would like it. Some will try to ignore or rejected with near-infinite number of reasons and excuses. That changes nothing. No election, no miracles will fix this problem easily now, at this stage. And ignoring it will almost certainly help it progress to the final ones. Now that you know it (it was in the book all along but you forgot) it's in your hands to make use of it - or ignore and squander yet again. A free choice. And there would be nothing new in it for the history that can't even recall the number of times it seen it happen. Nothing lasts forever in the entropy world. Things that need to be standing require constant and persistent thought, care and work. How easy to remember it. And so easy to forget.

 

 

The condensed version of the above....

Trump won. Oh dear.

[User]

Dear diary...

[myata]

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

Freedom.  Peace instead of war.

"Just find me those votes"

"Vlad is a genius and savvy" (a war criminal under international arrest warrant, instigator of brutal criminal aggression against independent European nation).

United States is a formal guarantor of security and territorial integrity of Ukraine.

These are all facts.

"War is peace". "Truth is a lie" This was written in 1948. You are so boringly, stupidly old and uninteresting. Like a dead interstellar rock in the space of reason. In your brain there flashes of greatness but in this reality you'll only drag yourself into cowering to the worst thugs in the world, without any chance of restoring dignity, credibility and self-respect. Well that was a choice and you sure knew what it means. So no excuses now. You can play any muzak in your brain but there will be no one to hang on the responsibility for the consequences. All yours.

Edited November 10, 2024 by myata

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, myata said:

America has grown tired of carrying the torch. 

Finally, after setting a good part of the world on fire with it, starting with Iran in 1953.

A Shining Beacon my ass.

[myata]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Trump won. Oh dear.

I'll make a rare exception commenting this. As you can see, nothing matters: the principles; the right; the rule of law; the justice; liberty: remember who Vlad and Kim are, the geniuses and respected persons?; the integrity; the word of the United States of America; a solemn obligation of the states; truth; honesty; the reality itself. No. All wrong. We won. It pays for everything.

Look we knew it all. There were no surprises here. Nobody else can own this. Sure, you knew.

[Legato]

9 minutes ago, myata said:

I'll make a rare exception commenting this. As you can see, nothing matters: the principles; the right; the rule of law; the justice; liberty: remember who Vlad and Kim are, the geniuses and respected persons?; the integrity; the word of the United States of America; a solemn obligation of the states; truth; honesty; the reality itself. No. All wrong. We won. It pays for everything.

Look we knew it all. There were no surprises here. Nobody else can own this. Sure, you knew.

I made a rare exception in reading your post. I'll just leave you with a quote from The Avengers Endgame.

I am Inevitable.

 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

2 things. First, man you have a lot of soap boxes.  You should go into business selling them.

Second, don't worry about this, Trump will convert enough of the half that wants fascism.   They will become patriotic Americans that want to change the course that America was going down.  Freedom.  Peace instead of war.  Smaller government and lower taxes, whats not to like about that?

Maybe you like being under the thumb of the billionaire class, but most of us want AGENCY.

1 hour ago, Legato said:

The condensed version of the above....

Trump won. Oh dear.

^TROLL won

[robosmith]

36 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Finally, after setting a good part of the world on fire with it, starting with Iran in 1953.

A Shining Beacon my ass.

Nope. Starting with Commodore Perry and his black ships sailing into Tokyo Bay 1853.

27 minutes ago, myata said:

I'll make a rare exception commenting this. As you can see, nothing matters: the principles; the right; the rule of law; the justice; liberty: remember who Vlad and Kim are, the geniuses and respected persons?; the integrity; the word of the United States of America; a solemn obligation of the states; truth; honesty; the reality itself. No. All wrong. We won. It pays for everything.

Look we knew it all. There were no surprises here. Nobody else can own this. Sure, you knew.

TROLL KNOWS NOTHING.

[myata]

Well what could one add here? And now it will be the face of America by which the world will assess it. You can't really have it both way, the stupidity and the greatness, can you? How exactly would it look?

[sharkman]

1 hour ago, myata said:

"Just find me those votes"

"Vlad is a genius and savvy" (a war criminal under international arrest warrant, instigator of brutal criminal aggression against independent European nation).

United States is a formal guarantor of security and territorial integrity of Ukraine.

These are all facts.

"War is peace". "Truth is a lie" This was written in 1948. You are so boringly, stupidly old and uninteresting. Like a dead interstellar rock in the space of reason. In your brain there flashes of greatness but in this reality you'll only drag yourself into cowering to the worst thugs in the world, without any chance of restoring dignity, credibility and self-respect. Well that was a choice and you sure knew what it means. So no excuses now. You can play any muzak in your brain but there will be no one to hang on the responsibility for the consequences. All yours.

There are so many ways to respond to this delusion, selective memory and the like.  But I think you deserve to suffer at the hands of your deluded thinking for the next 4 years, week after week and month after month.  Are you mentally tough enough to survive the ordeal?  Because it's going to get really bad, friend.  I do not look forward to it.

[sharkman]

Oh, and here's one where Biden, back in the 2020 election, says that he's assembled the most extensive voter fraud organization in history. 

 

He's also on video bragging about bribing Ukraine to stop the investigation about his son, back when Joe was the VP, and Hunter was on the board of a large energy corp. 

[herbie]

[myata]

8 hours ago, sharkman said:

There are so many ways to respond to this delusion, selective memory

Facts are "delusion"? You've got it. This is exactly what it is. This condition that is.

[myata]

This 47th election was indeed a historic one. No exaggeration there. It took America outside of democracy field objectively and de facto. For the first time in its independent history and a done, accomplished feat. An individual who attempted to undermine foundations of democracy cannot be its leader. Someone who repeatedly admired and praised the worst totalitarian dictators on the planet cannot be the leader of the free world.

Only the objective, factual reality staring out of the mirror. This "victory" happened at the cost of leaving the field of democracy. It means a watershed moment for the society. And there will be no easy and obvious way back to normal.

It was a combined product of the utter failure of the formal politics, responsibility for the democracy by both main parties, and the decay of citizenship, reason, vigilance, responsibility. It needed both to happen and both are in the plain view now. If it is ignored and shrugged off the erosion will continue and accelerate. We know and have seen possible destinations. There will be no miracles.

A tremendous, formidable task for the responsible part of the society is now to even attempt finding way back, to normal political discourse and renewed democracy. This kind of decay does not heal easily. It's not assured by anything, and would require much thought and work. Don't even dream that another election would fix everything somehow and magically, with no trace and happy ending. This would be a delusion leading to quite possibly, truly nightmarish consequences. Now you know. So, no excuses.

P.S. you can see it right here that there isn't a grain of exaggeration. Dumb memes as the only way to express "reasons" and "thoughts", at the time when Vlads and Xis are making plans for the future of the world, all of it. The level of discourse and responsibility. Can you see and smell where it can be going? No miracles here. That much, you knew.

Edited November 11, 2024 by myata

[Yakuda]

23 hours ago, myata said:

I'll make a rare exception commenting this. As you can see, nothing matters: the principles; the right; the rule of law; the justice; liberty: remember who Vlad and Kim are, the geniuses and respected persons?; the integrity; the word of the United States of America; a solemn obligation of the states; truth; honesty; the reality itself. No. All wrong. We won. It pays for everything.

Look we knew it all. There were no surprises here. Nobody else can own this. Sure, you knew.

You need help. The level of dysfunction in your brain is alarming. You have spoon fed shlt for so long you're starting to think it tastes like ice cream. Wake the hell up man. 

14 hours ago, myata said:

This 47th election was indeed a historic one. No exaggeration there. It took America outside of democracy field objectively and de facto. For the first time in its independent history and a done, accomplished feat. An individual who attempted to undermine foundations of democracy cannot be its leader. Someone who repeatedly admired and praised the worst totalitarian dictators on the planet cannot be the leader of the free world.

Only the objective, factual reality staring out of the mirror. This "victory" happened at the cost of leaving the field of democracy. It means a watershed moment for the society. And there will be no easy and obvious way back to normal.

It was a combined product of the utter failure of the formal politics, responsibility for the democracy by both main parties, and the decay of citizenship, reason, vigilance, responsibility. It needed both to happen and both are in the plain view now. If it is ignored and shrugged off the erosion will continue and accelerate. We know and have seen possible destinations. There will be no miracles.

A tremendous, formidable task for the responsible part of the society is now to even attempt finding way back, to normal political discourse and renewed democracy. This kind of decay does not heal easily. It's not assured by anything, and would require much thought and work. Don't even dream that another election would fix everything somehow and magically, with no trace and happy ending. This would be a delusion leading to quite possibly, truly nightmarish consequences. Now you know. So, no excuses.

P.S. you can see it right here that there isn't a grain of exaggeration. Dumb memes as the only way to express "reasons" and "thoughts", at the time when Vlads and Xis are making plans for the future of the world, all of it. The level of discourse and responsibility. Can you see and smell where it can be going? No miracles here. That much, you knew.

You're quickly becoming a liability 

[Yakuda]

14 hours ago, myata said:

Facts are "delusion"? You've got it. This is exactly what it is. This condition that is.

What facts? Trump is a fascist? LMFAO prove it. I don't give a shit about your opinion. Please don't point to the trespassing on j6 2021

[myata]

Dead brains, and wishful thinkers alike will try to pretend now that nothing much has happened. That will change nothing. A watershed line has been crossed. Any mafia boss can be the president, done deal. It's not going anywhere. There will be no easy and happy pedaling back from this.

[Deluge]

On 11/10/2024 at 2:20 AM, myata said:

And one more time: this is the reality. Factual. A half of the nation is ready to embrace fascism. Numbers don't lie.

You already have embraced fascism, and it's why you a$$holes lost. 

[Deluge]

5 hours ago, myata said:

Dead brains, and wishful thinkers alike will try to pretend now that nothing much has happened. That will change nothing. A watershed line has been crossed. Any mafia boss can be the president, done deal. It's not going anywhere. There will be no easy and happy pedaling back from this.

myata must have orgasms over thoughts of fetus slaughter and illegal immigration. 

You're a sick wokeness disciple, my friend, and America has outgrown you.  

[User]

7 hours ago, myata said:

Dead brains, and wishful thinkers alike will try to pretend now that nothing much has happened. That will change nothing. A watershed line has been crossed. Any mafia boss can be the president, done deal. It's not going anywhere. There will be no easy and happy pedaling back from this.

It is called a watershed moment. 

The term is backpedaling, not pedaling back. 

Are you even a human? LOL

[myata]

When the mafia boss is elected the President of the United States of America, the judge will delay sentencing to consider dropping all charges.

This is the reality. Out the window. Now. The reality doesn't change.

The universal rule of law is a cornerstone of democracy. The law applies equally to everyone equally or there's no law.

No you can't have both: it's just plain minimal reason. One will have to give. And you know, can smell it, which one will it be. No surprises. No miracles. You chose it.

[User]

5 minutes ago, myata said:

The universal rule of law is a cornerstone of democracy. The law applies equally to everyone equally or there's no law.

Which is this farce of a case should never have been brought and why it will almost certainly die on appeal. 

[myata]

One cannot have mafia boss as the president with all charges dropped and the rule of law. Both just cannot happen together in the sane, rational world. It would be a drawn parody of democracy. And it's here - right out the window.

The reality is simple really: you can play all kinds of muzak in your brain. You can build castles and projects in your imagination. But you cannot cancel the consequences. The reality will always catch up. You knew what this was about. And you chose it.