Should Canada reduce immigration/temporary residents to less than 200,000 for the next 5 years?

[DUI_Offender]

Considering the extremely negative effects of letting in over 1,000,000 new Canadians per year, since the beginning of 2022, would it be wise to limit the amount of new Canadians (immigrants/temp workers/international students) to 200,000/year until 2030, considering we lack the employment, housing, infrastructure, health care, and educational institutions needed for the 3.1 million new people we have let in in the past 33 months?

[Five of swords]

5 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Considering the extremely negative effects of letting in over 1,000,000 new Canadians per year, since the beginning of 2022, would it be wise to limit the amount of new Canadians (immigrants/temp workers/international students) to 200,000/year until 2030, considering we lack the employment, housing, infrastructure, health care, and educational institutions needed for the 3.1 million new people we have let in in the past 33 months?

No, Canada should radically increase immigration.

[CdnFox]

Probably not that low. But probably not much higher than that.

It gets a little more complicated. You don't want to scare off people like Developers without somehow working with them to make sure they keep building up homes.

But probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 200,000 to 300,000 should be our target for the next little while, although we may have to work our way down to that a little bit and make sure we take the steps necessary so that it doesn't crash our economy

[DUI_Offender]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Probably not that low. But probably not much higher than that.

It gets a little more complicated. You don't want to scare off people like Developers without somehow working with them to make sure they keep building up homes.

Developers aren't building homes. They also have no plans to start building exponentially more homes to compensate for the limited housing stock Canada currently has. Last year housing starts actually decreased. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

Yes absolutely and less. You don't bring in homeless people to your home when you don't have enough beds and food for your own family.

Trudeau government really screwed up by importing 500,000 new immigrants past few years causing a housing crisis, food shortage, overwhelmed health and education systems among other things in Canada. For this alone, this government must be voted out.

Today, Trudeau admitted his mistake by cutting immigration by merely 20% to just under 400,000 next year and gradually down to 365K by 2027. 

While people born and long time citizens tax payers for years and decades are struggling with housing, bills, and lack of essential services, this Liberal government still plans to import 1.5 million new immigrant over the next 4 years, most of them from third world countries requiring medical educational and other services while there is not enough services or houses for Canadians. Not acceptable.

Edited October 24, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

[CdnFox]

52 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Developers aren't building homes.

Well they're building some  homes. But they are definitely building less aggressively than they have been in recent years.  We saw 137 thousand starts in 2023, where as previously about 250 260 was normal.  So almost half. 

and we really did need them to actually increase by about 50% assuming that immigration was cut back significantly

But if you slash immigration to 200,000 then they'll scale back their efforts as well even further

The government has to encourage the private sector to continue building at a substantial pace. The problem is is they're probably isn't going to be the same level of insane profit that there used to be which is why they're scaling back. But if you put together something that will help make that problem go away for them a little bit, some incentives that address that, then they can still build. But Trudeau is scared spitless of looking like he's helping anyone make a profit because his left wing supporters think profit is just absolutely terrible

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well they're building some  homes. But they are definitely building less aggressively than they have been in recent years.  We saw 137 thousand starts in 2023, where as previously about 250 260 was normal.  So almost half. 

 

 

Not sure where you got this statistics from, but housing starts in 2023 was 240 thousand which is about 10 year average,

https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/media-newsroom/news-releases/2024/housing-starts-down-2023-from-2022

Data for latest month (last month) indicates housing starts of 235 thousand.

Edited October 25, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Not sure where you got this statistics from, but housing starts in 2023 was 240 thousand which is about 10 year average,

https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/media-newsroom/news-releases/2024/housing-starts-down-2023-from-2022

Data for latest month (last month) indicates housing starts of 235 thousand.

Sorry,  you're right my number was just for the 6 major metro areas. 

A 2023 Recap of New Home Construction Trends in Canada | CMHC

 

[DUI_Offender]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes absolutely and less. You don't bring in homeless people to your home when you don't have enough beds and food for your own family.

Trudeau government really screwed up by importing 500,000 new immigrants past few years causing a housing crisis, food shortage, overwhelmed health and education systems among other things in Canada. For this alone, this government must be voted out.

Today, Trudeau admitted his mistake by cutting immigration by merely 20% to just under 400,000 next year and gradually down to 365K by 2027. 

While people born and long time citizens tax payers for years and decades are struggling with housing, bills, and lack of essential services, this Liberal government still plans to import 1.5 million new immigrant over the next 4 years, most of them from third world countries requiring medical educational and other services while there is not enough services or houses for Canadians. Not acceptable.

It's  not immigrants that are the problem. It's all the temporary residents that overstay the welcome. Immigrants make up the minority of new Canadians. Most do not have Canadian citizenship. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

16 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

It's  not immigrants that are the problem. It's all the temporary residents that overstay the welcome. Immigrants make up the minority of new Canadians. Most do not have Canadian citizenship. 

I am not sure how it works. If they overstayed their welcome then they are illegal here with no work permit, no job, no health card so how they can survive? Even people with all of above have hard time surviving.

Canada used to be very severe in granting visa to foreigners before. They have to prove or convince immigration officers that they have no intention of staying in Canada after the expiration of their visas. What happened?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

It's  not immigrants that are the problem. It's all the temporary residents that overstay the welcome. Immigrants make up the minority of new Canadians. Most do not have Canadian citizenship. 

 

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I am not sure how it works. If they overstayed their welcome then they are illegal here with no work permit, no job, no health card so how they can survive? Even people with all of above have hard time surviving.

Canada used to be very severe in granting visa to foreigners before. They have to prove or convince immigration officers that they have no intention of staying in Canada after the expiration of their visas. What happened?

At the end of the day - no matter how it gets there if the current population (permanent or temp)  exceeds our ability to provide homes (which is currently the case)  and the growth in population exceeds our ability to add homes (as it does now) then  we have a horrible problem. 

However we get there, we either need to build more or address our population issue permanent or otherwise 

[DUI_Offender]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Canada used to be very severe in granting visa to foreigners before. They have to prove or convince immigration officers that they have no intention of staying in Canada after the expiration of their visas. What happened?

Trudeau got elected.

Companies that use them for cheap labour, looked the other way when their time expired.

 

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

Trudeau got elected.

Companies that use them for cheap labour, looked the other way when their time expired.

 

The Trudeau gov took away the visa requirement for Mexicans.  FROM FREAKING MEXICO.  Smells like corporate favours to me...

Every single person who voted for the Liberals after JT's first term is an imbecile.

Edited October 25, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The Trudeau gov took away the visa requirement for Mexicans.  FROM FREAKING MEXICO.  Smells like corporate favours to me...

Every single person who voted for the Liberals after JT's first term is an imbecile.

There were provisions for this happening in NAFTA, and not just for travel visas but some work visas.

[DUI_Offender]

5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The Trudeau gov took away the visa requirement for Mexicans.  FROM FREAKING MEXICO.  Smells like corporate favours to me...

Every single person who voted for the Liberals after JT's first term is an imbecile.

The problem is PP is no better. I wish there was an option #3

[CITIZEN_2015]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

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However we get there, we either need to build more or address our population issue permanent or otherwise 

Market decides how many homes to build not us but we or our elected government decides on the demand side by significantly reducing the new arrivals of all kinds.

Edited October 25, 2024 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

10 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Trudeau got elected.

Companies that use them for cheap labour, looked the other way when their time expired.

 

Well the government must not look other way. There are records as when their visa expires and law enforcement must knock on their doors and arrest and deport them like any other criminal. But my point was that they shouldn't have been given an entry visa at the first place unless they could prove beyond doubt that they will return after expiry of their visa.

They have a life like hell like this with no work permit, no health protection, no driver's license better off to go back and return legally for them and us,

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

The problem is PP is no better. I wish there was an option #3

What basis do you say PP is no better?  Do you think he is in the same position as the PM or government and able to control what government is doing?

It is not the job of the opposition party or its leader to have detailed policy for every department of government.  Opposition parties are not in a position to run government from the opposition benches.  There are several hundred thousand government employees in various departments.  The job of government is to run those departments and the opposition's job is to examine the way government is running things in general terms and criticize as they find problems.

The Conservative Party does have a website describing their policies as to how they would run the various departments of government were they to form government.

990863517f7a575.pdf

Edited October 25, 2024 by blackbird

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Well the government must not look other way. There are records as when their visa expires and law enforcement must knock on their doors and arrest and deport them like any other criminal. But my point was that they shouldn't have been given an entry visa at the first place unless they could prove beyond doubt that they will return after expiry of their visa.

They have a life like hell like this with no work permit, no health protection, no driver's license better off to go back and return legally for them and us,

When it comes to immigration and national interests PP is slightly better than Liberals but he is worse in other aspects like Harper he likely wishes to satisfy religious right so he may introduce and pass reactionary backward legislations or laws like banning pornography, banning abortions, banning doctor assisted suicide like Harper did in 2014 making consenting sex between adults (when material or money is exchanged) illegal (a criminal offense) to get the vote of reactionary religious right. Ever since 2014 based on Harper's law if you take your girlfriend to a dinner or buy her gift or jewelry and then have sex with her in your bedroom you can go to jail thanks to Harper and his idi*t injustice minister at the time. They rushed this bill (C-36) through Parliament at the end of 2014 abusing their majority and in a tricky manner passed it through to secure their 10% vote in the soon to come elections of 2015.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Market decides how many homes to build not us but we or our elected government decides on the demand side by significantly reducing the new arrivals of all kinds.

We can significantly influence both. The government already interferes with the market in this area on a number of governmental levels. If all of those restrictions were removed the market would address the issue quite naturally as a rule. But with those restrictions in place it creates a drag which creates a problem.

So there are a significant number of things the government can do or encourage to be done at various levels to severely reduce the drag on the market and improve the number of units built and even artificially encourage the market forces.

And as you correctly point out they absolutely do have significant impact on the demand. Cutting back and immigration to a sustainable level is also a significant part of the issue. But of course if they do that the market will respond if other steps aren't taken to make sure the market is still interested in building homes.

[Goddess]

Up until recently, anyone who said exactly the things Trùdeau said in his lowering immigration announcement was a "racist".

Can you tell I'm sick to death of "woke"?

[DUI_Offender]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

What basis do you say PP is no better? 

He refuses to obtain security clearance. Therefore I do not trust him.

[blackbird]

54 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

He refuses to obtain security clearance. Therefore I do not trust him.

Uh...ok whatever.   

[Moonlight Graham]

9 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

The problem is PP is no better. I wish there was an option #3

PP is war from perfect but he's probably a lot better than Trudeau.  He can't be any worse.  We don't need perfect, at this point we just need competent.

[Moonlight Graham]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

There were provisions for this happening in NAFTA, and not just for travel visas but some work visas.

Link?  I don't understand what you mean.

Even if this is true, Canada is in control of their visa system.  Mexico can't "force" Canada to not give Mexican travellers visas, and if it was some kind of stipulation that changed in NAFTA we didn't have to accept it.

I'd like to see evidence of your claim.  This is on the Liberals.