Are you a man or a woman?

[User]

2 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said:

Agreed, but the problem here is something else. Put simply, the problem here is that your definitions of male/female/man/woman/boy/girl aren't the same as other people's definitions of those terms.

My definitions make sense and are what they have been since humans have existed and had terms for male and female. 

Yours are contradictory nonsense. 

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

That is incorrect. Traditional marriage is a union of a man and a woman's estate and status. It is a business and political contract between families. It has been that way for thousands of years. 

Wrong. Marriage is between man and a woman. Everyting else are addons. Some addons are OK, where other addons, like queer marriage, are complete dogshit

Edited October 27, 2024 by Deluge

[Scott75]

55 minutes ago, User said:

6 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

We all have the right to define terms the way we want to. If we want to define women as both biological women and trans women, we can do so. If we don't want to define them with the same word, we have this choice as well. I for one am ok with defining women as both and I think the amount of people who are ok with it will increase in the future. And if I'm asked the question "What is a woman", I'm happy to explain that it all depends on who's doing the defining, what my personal definition is and how I can still differentiate between biological women and trans women if I feel the need to.

Why did you just admit to being a pedophile?

I did no such thing, consider your question harassment, and have reported it as such.

[Queenmandy85]

Has anybody noticed in this thread that Deluge and others are only have issues with only half of the transgender people. They believe it is wrong for M2F transgender individuals to participate in sports, but they seem to have no problem with F2M people in sports. 

They also confuse crossdressers with transgender.

There has been reference to being transgendered as a mental illness? Half the human population is born female both mentally and physically. Almost half the population is born male, both mentally and physically. some of the population is born with the body of a female, but is mentally male and an almost equal number have the body of a male and the mind of a female. If the latter two groups are mentally ill, it stands to reason we all are. 

With the pronoun issue, common courtesy demands that we refer to people by the pronoun they prefer. 

Washrooms: Why is it okay for women to use mens washrooms but not the other way around. I had a summer job many years ago as a janitor in residences. I would be cleaning a toilet in a mens bathroom while a woman was using the stall next to where I was working.

In a high school, if a transgender girl is forced to use the boys' washroom, how long do you think it will be before she is beaten up. 

"Your issue, Sir, is not with me, but with my Creator." Secretary Peter Buttigieg.

[User]

2 minutes ago, phoenyx75 said:

I did no such thing, consider your question harassment, and have reported it as such.

LOL, oh, so now words have only your meaning... 

A smarter or more honest person would have gotten the point. 

[Scott75]

1 hour ago, User said:

  

6 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

23 hours ago, User said:

But you do think they should be told that male and female are meaningless terms?!

Never said that. I think it's clear that both of these terms, as well as others such as boy, girl, man and woman are all quite meaningful terms. But that doesn't mean that their meaning can't change to some extent. I think that calling a trans male or female the gender that they identify with is fine, but as I've mentioned before, I think it's important that we distinguish between biological males and females and people who identify with a gender that isn't their biological one. We can do that easily enough by adding biological before the terms in question.

They are not meaningful when you change them to be contradictory and meaningless as you are trying to do. 

First of all, I'm certainly not the first person whose definition of terms like male and female now include trans males and trans females. I think that we might even agree that it's becoming increasingly popular to define males and females in this expanded way. Secondly, expanding the meaning of a given term doesn't make it meaningless, so long as the new definition still has limits.

[Deluge]

5 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

1. Let's not forget that all trans people were once kids too.

2. I -strongly- suspect that this insistence that the genders are different is actually part of the -reason- that some people decide to become trans, and sometimes even go as far as altering their body physically to appear more like the biological gender they identify with. Did you know that it's illegal to be homosexual in Iran, but it's ok (if still looked down upon) to be transexual? It's true:

https://www.dw.com/en/how-irans-anti-lgbt-policies-put-transgender-people-at-risk/a-53270136

 

Some U.S. states still have statutes criminalizing sodomy, although these laws have become "enforceable due to the binding precedent of Lawrence v. Texas, meaning consensual sodomy cannot be prosecuted.^[26]"

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States

I think what's needed is that more people understand the pain that transgender people go through in their daily lives. I suspect you could do with more understanding of this pain yourself. The more people understand this, the more I suspect that things will become better, for everyone.

 

1. Great. Then trannies can dress up as kids and play with each other.  

2. See, that's the beauty of mental health professionals and facilities. They can take the trannies in and help them work through their mental disorders. My suggestion would be that the trannies stay in treatment facilities until they feel empowered to act within the appropriate standards of their biological sex. 

[Queenmandy85]

11 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Wrong. Marriage is between man and a woman. Everyting else are addons. Some addons are OK, where other addons, like queer marriage, are complete dogshit

You are unaware that through out history, marriage wae a means of financial and political advancement for families. 

[Scott75]

1 hour ago, User said:

  

6 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

What madness? I said previously that I think that gender terms are quite meaningful, but I believe that many go too far in thinking that males and females are that different. Male or female or some combination of the two (intersex), we're all humans that need to be accepted and loved. I've always had great reservations about plastic surgery in general, atleast in things where I think people look fine to begin with, such as biological women thinking they need to enlarge their breasts. But if they want to enlarge them as adults, I think it should be their choice to make. The same goes for trans people of either gender who want to modify themselves to look more like the gender they identify with.

That you can be something you are not, that words have no real meaning. 

Words can have any meaning we wish. I think a line from the well known science fiction author Frank Herbert is apt here:

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"Words can carry any burden we wish. All that's required is agreement and a tradition upon which to build."

**

 

Source:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44439415-god-emperor-of-dune

[Deluge]

Just now, Queenmandy85 said:

You are unaware that through out history, marriage wae a means of financial and political advancement for families. 

And you are unaware that marriage was between a man and woman, first. Everything else are addons. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Has anybody noticed in this thread that Deluge and others are only have issues with only half of the transgender people. They believe it is wrong for M2F transgender individuals to participate in sports, but they seem to have no problem with F2M people in sports. 

Gee, maybe if you took the time to understand why... it has been explained here. That is because the average male is physically stronger than the average female, it is fundamentally not fair competition. 

It is why we created things like title ix and all female sports, otherwise it would be all men. The reason there are no women in the NFL has nothing to do with not wanting women... it is because there are no women who can compete at that level against men. 

 

7 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Almost half the population is born male, both mentally and physically. some of the population is born with the body of a female, but is mentally male and an almost equal number have the body of a male and the mind of a female.

This is a completely fabricated statement with no basis on any science at all. 

7 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

With the pronoun issue, common courtesy demands that we refer to people by the pronoun they prefer. 

No, it doesn't. 

 

 

1 minute ago, phoenyx75 said:

Words can have any meaning we wish.

Why did you just admit to being a pedophile AGAIN?

OMG. 

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, phoenyx75 said:

Words can have any meaning we wish. I think a line from the well known science fiction author Frank Herbert is apt here:

**

"Words can carry any burden we wish. All that's required is agreement and a tradition upon which to build."

**

 

Source:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44439415-god-emperor-of-dune

But it's best to keep the meaning of words as universal as possible. That way we don't have to let pervert degenerates like Bill Clinton confuse the word "is".  

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

We all have the right to define terms the way we want to. If we want to define women as both biological women and trans women, we can do so. 

But as a culture based on individual rights, if you make that argument on a national or cultural level and you have to also allow for it on a personal level. Which means you have to give individuals the freedom to define men or women biologically exclusively if that's what they want.

[Queenmandy85]

5 hours ago, phoenyx75 said:

that some people decide to become trans,

People don't decide to become trans. They are born trans. It is not a choice. The choise comes when the individual chooses to have gender re-assignment surgery that can cost tens of thousands of dollars. Even then, In Canada, the presrson needs to be assessed before surgery. At the Menard Clinic, candidates who have already been assessed, are in the clinic for a month for rigourous counselling before surgery. Transitioning is a long and expensive procedure. F2M transition is more expensive than M2F. 

[User]

8 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

People don't decide to become trans. They are born trans. It is not a choice. The choise comes when the individual chooses to have gender re-assignment surgery that can cost tens of thousands of dollars. Even then, In Canada, the presrson needs to be assessed before surgery. At the Menard Clinic, candidates who have already been assessed, are in the clinic for a month for rigourous counselling before surgery. Transitioning is a long and expensive procedure. F2M transition is more expensive than M2F. 

So, when a confused kid is convinced they are trans, they identify as trans, get talked into surgery and drugs (while still a kid) and then they figure out later in life it was all a mistake, were they born trans or not?

 

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

People don't decide to become trans. They are born trans. It is not a choice

We know that's not accurate. It's not quite so simple as being a choice but it is definitely in many cases not biological. Or at least not exclusively biological at all. Environmental factors play a large role.

In those cases where it is purely biological it's a disorder and needs to be treated as such. Talking about there is the Hardcore gender dysphoria victims

[Queenmandy85]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

In those cases where it is purely biological it's a disorder and needs to be treated as such.

“Don't you find it odd that plastic surgery can cure a mental disorder?" Bree Osbourne in Transamerica. 😘

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by Queenmandy85

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

“Don't you find it odd that plastic surgery can cure a mental disorder?" Bree Osbourne in Transamerica. 😘

 

if there was no mental disorder there'd be no need for the surgery. Surgery is one of the treatments for it, there can't be a pathology without an illness. 

Or are you claiming that it really is a choice?

[Queenmandy85]

I guess you did not see the film, so you missed the meaning. You can get it from the library on DVD. The theme song (Travelling Through) by Dolly Parton is great. It has Graham Greene in a major supporting role. The star is Felicity Huffman. 🥰

 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I guess you did not see the film, so you missed the meaning. You can get it from the library on DVD. The theme song (Travelling Through) by Dolly Parton is great. It has Graham Greene in a major supporting role. The star is Felicity Huffman. 🥰

 

DVD?  When was the last time you went outside   

But no -havent' seen that one.

[Fluffypants]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

There has been reference to being transgendered as a mental illness? Half the human population is born female both mentally and physically. Almost half the population is born male, both mentally and physically. some of the population is born with the body of a female, but is mentally male and an almost equal number have the body of a male and the mind of a female. If the latter two groups are mentally ill, it stands to reason we all are. 

 

With that logic someone is born the brain of Santa Claus so identifying as such is perfectly sane. There has been 0 proof that people are born with male or female brain.

Here is the thing, how can you know you are male or female when you have no point of reference. Being male or female is not a state of mind it is just what you are. Lesbians who look like they could win a Joe Dirt look a like contest are no less female or gay men who wear pastels and have a lisp are any less male. People who claim to be the opposite sex will never have the same experiences the people who actually are the opposite sex do.

The problem is  that we are literally encouraging delusion, people who medically transition in no way shape or form becoming the opposite sex. They are wearing a permanent costume that you destroy working parts to gain unworking ones. Some looks so good that you can pass until you take your clothes off and no matter how good their plastic surgeon is they don't look quite right.

Don't get me started on the fact that no matter how many hormones you take your body fights you at every step of the transition including after its done because it knows what you are supposed to be.

[Queenmandy85]

7 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

Some looks so good that you can pass until you take your clothes off and no matter how good their plastic surgeon is they don't look quite right.

Wanna bet. I know a person in Calgary who spent $120,000 on her surgery. You would never know she was born a male.

Edited October 27, 2024 by Queenmandy85

[User]

4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Wanna bet. I know a person in Calgary who spent $120,000 on her surgery. You would never know she was born a male.

So you have seen him fully naked and inspected?

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

“Don't you find it odd that plastic surgery can cure a mental disorder?" Bree Osbourne in Transamerica. 😘

 

It doesn't. 

[Deluge]

On 10/25/2024 at 9:20 AM, Aristides said:

Exactly. I'll stick with Nazi.

You'll stick with both because that's what they were.  

18 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Wanna bet. I know a person in Calgary who spent $120,000 on her surgery. You would never know she was born a male.

He still is a male. That's what's so sad about all of this. 

Edited October 28, 2024 by Deluge

[Rebound]

21 hours ago, Deluge said:

1. Great. Then trannies can dress up as kids and play with each other.  

2. See, that's the beauty of mental health professionals and facilities. They can take the trannies in and help them work through their mental disorders. My suggestion would be that the trannies stay in treatment facilities until they feel empowered to act within the appropriate standards of their biological sex. 

Why do you care? 
I don’t care that you have an itty-bitty dick.  Why are you so obsessed with other men’s penises?  Maybe a tranny can theirs off and donate it to you so you can stop being so jealous of the rest of us.