Guest Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Hopefully the CPC govern more to the center like Harper did, they'll govern longer that way. Even 5 years of Conservative government, will help undo some of the damage Trudeau did. Even if a liberal government is voted back in, am fine with that, as long as its not as extremist as a Justin Trudeau one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Conservatives won the popular vote the last 2 federal elections and will win the next one as well. Maybe the pendulum is shifting. Hopefully its a sign that Canadians are rejecting this woke snowflake nonsense. Anyone offended by that last sentence is part of the problem. The 90's Liberals are probably dead, they've gone full virtue-signal just like the Democrats. Anything that could be offensive to somebody will be suppressed and avoided. You can't build successful policy when you suppress facts and avoid reality to spare some people's feelings. after every dark age, comes a renaissance but I would not expect this spiral to end anytime soon it's beyond the control of politicians if the Conservatives win, I would expect the culture war to escalate into even greater levels of hysteria furthermore, the climate doom hysteria is inciting Canada to cut its own economic throat and I don't foresee the climate doom hysteria abating, quite the opposite I surmise that we are only at the beginning of the hard times the consequences have only just begun to come crashing down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 17 hours ago, Dougie93 said: after every dark age, comes a renaissance but I would not expect this spiral to end anytime soon it's beyond the control of politicians if the Conservatives win, I would expect the culture war to escalate into even greater levels of hysteria furthermore, the climate doom hysteria is inciting Canada to cut its own economic throat and I don't foresee the climate doom hysteria abating, quite the opposite I surmise that we are only at the beginning of the hard times the consequences have only just begun to come crashing down You can say this about every western country though. Western civilization...stick a fork in it, it's done. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted September 7 Report Share Posted September 7 10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: You can say this about every western country though. Western civilization...stick a fork in it, it's done. In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. ~ Leftenant Colonel John McCrae born; Guelph, Ontario, 30 November 1872 died; Boulogne-ser-mer, France, 28 January 1918 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 On 9/4/2024 at 10:27 PM, Moonlight Graham said: An election will not be called early. NDP don't want to go down with the ship and be implicated for all the crappy policies they've supported the Liberals on. Canadians aren't as dumb as some of you think they are. FTFY Lets just point a few things out to you political fledgllngs. They accomplished all of their political objectives with only 24 members. Compared to the zero they got when they were official opposition. None of the 'crappy Liberal policies' they supported went entirely against their own. They even got PP to support anti-scab legislation that he will no doubt rescind if elected. So they did all that they wanted, the Tories did sweet f*ck all. What the Tories did for the NDP by sucking up to the extreme populist right was poison the very word liberal into an expletive. Look at what happened in BC, the Liberals, who were Conservatives tried to change their name and one of them simply stole the Conservative name from that long dead party, and gained huge support in the polls. You're looking at the reverse of that. Singh got all of his goals with almost nothing in members, the Liberal Party and Trudeau continue floundering and tanking in the polls and the NDP is positioning as the alternative to the Tories that can get things done, not the Liberals. As the Tories move right, they move to center where the bulk of votes lie. I don't see Trudeau turning surrender monkey like BC's Kevin Falcon, but a few defections might start happening, pending the byelection results. And Singh distancing himself from Trudeau should bring an NDP boost. That's what it's all about. It's gonna be an interesting year. A go for the win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 1 hour ago, herbie said: -Lets just point a few things out to you political fledgllngs. Dude i literally just had to explain how gov't vs opposition works to you. Quote They accomplished all of their political objectives with only 24 members Nope. Not even close. They wanted pharmacare, They had to settle for birth control and diabeties (which most provinces covered already) . They got a watered down dental system that isn't working so far. And that's pretty much it. In exchange every single bad thing the libs did - they have to take co owenership with. Was driving up inflation their 'objective'? Making home ownership unaffordable? any of that? Quote What the Tories did for the NDP by sucking up to the extreme populist right was poison the very word liberal into an expletive And the dippers with them. Look at bc as you say. The ndp, who should have walked away with the election, is now very likely to lose. Quote Singh got all of his goals In the sense that he'll get his pension, sure That was his only goal. As to the rest he got next to nothing. No pharmacare plan, no universal dental plan, not much else. You COULD say he got more than nothing - but you couldn't say it loudly IN the mean time he's ruined the name of the ndp in the provinces, he's likely to lose seats in the election, he's sold his people out for a pension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 So good to hear a "qualified" counter opinion. One day we might even.... meanwhile we're stuck with tales of the inner party workings from mommy said they're just bad, mmmmkay? land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 3 hours ago, herbie said: FTFY Lets just point a few things out to you political fledgllngs. They accomplished all of their political objectives with only 24 members. Compared to the zero they got when they were official opposition. None of the 'crappy Liberal policies' they supported went entirely against their own. They even got PP to support anti-scab legislation that he will no doubt rescind if elected. So they did all that they wanted, the Tories did sweet f*ck all. What the Tories did for the NDP by sucking up to the extreme populist right was poison the very word liberal into an expletive. Look at what happened in BC, the Liberals, who were Conservatives tried to change their name and one of them simply stole the Conservative name from that long dead party, and gained huge support in the polls. You're looking at the reverse of that. Singh got all of his goals with almost nothing in members, the Liberal Party and Trudeau continue floundering and tanking in the polls and the NDP is positioning as the alternative to the Tories that can get things done, not the Liberals. As the Tories move right, they move to center where the bulk of votes lie. I don't see Trudeau turning surrender monkey like BC's Kevin Falcon, but a few defections might start happening, pending the byelection results. And Singh distancing himself from Trudeau should bring an NDP boost. That's what it's all about. It's gonna be an interesting year. A go for the win. The NDP are filled with kooks. Most of their policy platform is just creating big expensive government bureaucracies for social programs. They want to create a country of government dependents and dream of an even bigger nanny state. That's not "moving to the center". Canadians don't want that and so the NDP have never governed federally and hopefully never will. Anyone who votes for the Liberals or NDP in the next election is either extremely naive or is a nutter and is economically illiterate. The results speak for themselves. The CPC moved to the center under Harper and I see no reason why PP wouldn't again. "Harper's hidden agenda" never happened unless you hate a 2% GST cut. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 2 hours ago, herbie said: meanwhile we're stuck with tales of the inner party workings from mommy said they're just bad, mmmmkay? land. You mean from the CPBC? Well yes they're a bit of a mess right now. Which is why i'm not saying they're going to win, even if they poll a little higher. They very well could but they have not got their act together because of their sudden success and the 'non-merger-merger" which is getting reimagined ever 5 minutes. The ndp front lines on the ground aren't exactly spectacular but they're a lot more advanced than the CPBC and getting out the vote is everything we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 14 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: The NDP are filled with kooks. Most of their policy platform is just creating big expensive government bureaucracies for social programs. Was hoping for more insight from you than repeating shallow babble someone else told you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WestCanMan Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 On 9/4/2024 at 10:58 AM, CdnFox said: But we'll see. Justin has to give a throne speech and throne speeches are always confidence motions. I know that the budget and other major bills can be considered votes of confidence, but how is a throne speech considered so? Does anyone vote on it? I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm not 100% up to speed on how this confidence motion thing works. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 1 minute ago, WestCanMan said: I know that the budget and other major bills can be considered votes of confidence, but how is a throne speech considered so? Always has been. Basically a throne speech, which is read by the GG and not the prime minister, is a statement of the gov'ts intentions and vision for the next cycle, and the parties have to vote to accept it. If they disagree with it then they must vote against it same as a budget or any other similar thing. If it gets voted down it's considered to be a statement that the parliament has no confidence in the gov't or their plans, and therefore parliament cannot continue and the GG must decide how to proceed. Usually they just call an election. They COULD technically ask another party to form gov't but in most cases there's no reason to believe another party would have more of the faith of the house. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 10 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Always has been. Basically a throne speech, which is read by the GG and not the prime minister, is a statement of the gov'ts intentions and vision for the next cycle, and the parties have to vote to accept it. So Trudeau just has to make it less of a throne speech and more of a reacharound speech and the NDP will all vote yea. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: So Trudeau just has to make it less of a throne speech and more of a reacharound speech and the NDP will all vote yea. Well of course that's exactly what he's trying to negotiate right now, I'm sure. Jaggers is trying to have his cake and eat it too. He's trying not to bring the government down while looking like he's not propping the government up. We'll see how that works out for him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 19 hours ago, CdnFox said: Well of course that's exactly what he's trying to negotiate right now, I'm sure. Jaggers is trying to have his cake and eat it too. He's trying not to bring the government down while looking like he's not propping the government up. We'll see how that works out for him He's painted himself into a corner, for sure. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 On 9/8/2024 at 3:52 PM, herbie said: Was hoping for more insight from you than repeating shallow babble someone else told you. What have the NDP done with the Liberals other than creating big government social programs? *mic drop Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted September 9 Report Share Posted September 9 Might as well drop the mic, that's the usual reaction of someone with nothing to say. "other than govt social programs" WTF do you think govt is for? Passing a couple unconstitutional Crime Bills every day? Cutting taxes on the rich? Shovelling money into corporate incentives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 On 9/8/2024 at 4:52 PM, herbie said: Was hoping for more insight from you than repeating shallow babble someone else told you. He seems to be your candidate, tell us what has he done or accomplished, and did you like the NDP being a liberal party... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 On 9/9/2024 at 1:48 PM, Moonlight Graham said: What have the NDP done with the Liberals other than creating big government social programs? *mic drop Get the Liberal's to include dental and pharma care. *applause Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted September 11 Report Share Posted September 11 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Get the Liberal's to include dental and pharma care. *applause But they didn't. There's slightly limited access to dental care and they got birth control. They got diabetes too but almost every province already had that. And in fact most had birth control. So they got nothing and spent billions doing it, in the meantime they also got people not being able to afford housing or food Boy that free birth control must seem great while you're trying to remember what food tastes like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted September 11 Report Share Posted September 11 (edited) 4 hours ago, eyeball said: Get the Liberal's to include dental and pharma care. *applause Those are social programs, exactly as I said. Also, if you have a low income provinces have pharma and dental care programs already, because healthcare is a provincial jurisdiction. They've been around for decades. So what problem did they solve? Edited September 11 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 11 Report Share Posted September 11 9 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Those are social programs, exactly as I said. Also, if you have a low income provinces have pharma and dental care programs already, because healthcare is a provincial jurisdiction. They've been around for decades. So what problem did they solve? Almost half a million Canadians have received dental care since the NDP saw to it that Canada's national dental care plan was established. That seems like a pretty huge problem solved to me. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted September 11 Report Share Posted September 11 44 minutes ago, eyeball said: Almost half a million Canadians have received dental care since the NDP saw to it that Canada's national dental care plan was established. That seems like a pretty huge problem solved to me. And what if the national program replaced the provincial ones? You're just repeating the government-advertised numbers. The real question is how many low-income folks received dental care that otherwise couldn't have? Same with pharmacare. The NDP and Liberals aren't going to tell you those numbers because they want to show people of how virtuous they are. I don't even know the details of this funding and neither do most Canadians. Is the federal funding just a possible "top-up" to fill gaps in already-existing provincial funding while getting people on a national program that they can take credit for? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 11 Report Share Posted September 11 10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: The real question is how many low-income folks received dental care that otherwise couldn't have? More of them. And they can thank the NDP for making their lives better. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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